2014 Aussie Open SF: Fedal Volume 33

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TsarMatt

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I was hoping to see Federer play with a bit more versatility tonight, perhaps similar to that of his encounters with Murray and Tsonga, but considering Nadal's almost innate ability to hit those destructive passing shots, I don't blame him.
 

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calitennis127 said:
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Does anyone still call this a rivalry? They played a handful of good matches over half a decade ago

It was a rivalry when it was still 18-10. But 23-10 is no longer a rivalry. Half of that is 12-5. 12-5 isn't much of a rivalry.

Hasn't been a rivalry since Wimbledon 08 actually.
 

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TsarMatt said:
I was hoping to see Federer play with a bit more versatility tonight, perhaps similar to that of his encounters with Murray and Tsonga, but considering Nadal's almost innate ability to hit those destructive passing shots, I don't blame him.

Yep, I think the main thing that I saw (from 2nd and 3rd set) is that he wasn't confident enough in his forehand to go big and that results in weak approach shots. His forehand against Murray and Tsonga was on fire so he was getting a lot of easy putaways at net.
 

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DarthFed said:
calitennis127 said:
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Does anyone still call this a rivalry? They played a handful of good matches over half a decade ago

It was a rivalry when it was still 18-10. But 23-10 is no longer a rivalry. Half of that is 12-5. 12-5 isn't much of a rivalry.

Hasn't been a rivalry since Wimbledon 08 actually.

Disagree with that. But the writing was on the wall after the 2009 Australian Open final. Federer should have won that match and from there everything was bound to be downhill.

You are not giving any credence to Fed's dominant wins at WTF over Nadal.
 

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tented said:
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#8 in the world, if that can't motivate him...

I thought he would be No. 7, not No. 8. Are you sure?

http://live-tennis.eu/

Tented, there is a clear mistake on what the website shows right now. Berdych points total is wrong. It shows he lost in the QF at AO, and that is not true.
It didn't capture Tomas points he got for his last win in the QF.
 

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WTF and Indian Wells don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Slams is where it's at and they have been joke matches since Wimbledon 08, literally getting progressively easier each time.
 

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DarthFed said:
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I was hoping to see Federer play with a bit more versatility tonight, perhaps similar to that of his encounters with Murray and Tsonga, but considering Nadal's almost innate ability to hit those destructive passing shots, I don't blame him.

Yep, I think the main thing that I saw (from 2nd and 3rd set) is that he wasn't confident enough in his forehand to go big and that results in weak approach shots. His forehand against Murray and Tsonga was on fire so he was getting a lot of easy putaways at net.

Pretty much. It was hard for Federer to truly dictate some of the backhand rallies, too, because Nadal was practically moonballing heavy topspin forehands to his backhand wing until he either made an unforced error or gave an opening for Nadal to hit a winner. I would have liked him to mix it up more frequently in the last set, but he was a bit too conservative and predictable.

Nonetheless, this was a good tournament for Federer. I did not see him making another Slam semifinal (unless it was at Wimbledon), so he certainly proved me wrong, especially after that woeful performance at Brisbane against Rusty.
 

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DarthFed said:
WTF and Indian Wells don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Slams is where it's at and they have been joke matches since Wimbledon 08, literally getting progressively easier each time.

I would certainly not rank AO 2009 as a 'joke match' by any means.
 

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herios said:
tented said:
DarthFed said:
#8 in the world, if that can't motivate him...

I thought he would be No. 7, not No. 8. Are you sure?

http://live-tennis.eu/

Tented, there is a clear mistake on what the website shows right now. Berdych points total is wrong. It shows he lost in the QF at AO, and that is not true.
It didn't capture Tomas points he got for his last win in the QF.

Thanks, herios! I appreciate the answer. Should have known you would know the correct rankings.
 

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calitennis127 said:
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Cali his forehand and serve were awful, the forehand missing left and right and on serve he basically used two second serves for God knows what reason

There's your typical hyperbole.

Fed was hitting clean for the most part. He had his shanks once he lost the first set and got deflated, but calling his forehand awful is absurd.

The problem is what he looking to do with it. If he wants to continue to pound Rafa's backhand, then he can finish his career 10-30 against Nadal. I hope he enjoys himself.

It is not hyperbole at all, he was missing his forehand badly and it got to the point where he was putting nothing on it. The problem is he loses confidence in the forehand too easily these days. As soon as he misses a few he starts pushing them back in and that will never work against Nadal. Wouldn't work against any top player really. He is never beating Nadal with the backhand. That should be obvious to anyone.
 

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TsarMatt said:
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WTF and Indian Wells don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Slams is where it's at and they have been joke matches since Wimbledon 08, literally getting progressively easier each time.

I would certainly not rank AO 2009 as a 'joke match' by any means.

Certainly ended that way...not that he was impressive in the first 4 sets either.
 

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tented said:
herios said:
tented said:
DarthFed said:
#8 in the world, if that can't motivate him...

I thought he would be No. 7, not No. 8. Are you sure?

http://live-tennis.eu/

Tented, there is a clear mistake on what the website shows right now. Berdych points total is wrong. It shows he lost in the QF at AO, and that is not true.
It didn't capture Tomas points he got for his last win in the QF.


Thanks, herios! I appreciate the answer. Should have known you would know the correct rankings.

It is strange we see this error. Yesterday I checked and Tomas was ahead of Roger. What the heck has happened with this website?
 

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DarthFed said:
calitennis127 said:
DarthFed said:
Cali his forehand and serve were awful, the forehand missing left and right and on serve he basically used two second serves for God knows what reason

There's your typical hyperbole.

Fed was hitting clean for the most part. He had his shanks once he lost the first set and got deflated, but calling his forehand awful is absurd.

The problem is what he looking to do with it. If he wants to continue to pound Rafa's backhand, then he can finish his career 10-30 against Nadal. I hope he enjoys himself.

It is not hyperbole at all, he was missing his forehand badly and it got to the point where he was putting nothing on it. The problem is he loses confidence in the forehand too easily these days. As soon as he misses a few he starts pushing them back in and that will never work against Nadal. Wouldn't work against any top player really. He is never beating Nadal with the backhand. That should be obvious to anyone.

Federer has to defy conventionality against Nadal and look to go forehand to forehand. The shots are there. It just takes an extreme commitment to that pattern.

But Nadal fans don't have to worry - the likelihood of that happening is very slim.
 

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DarthFed said:
TsarMatt said:
DarthFed said:
WTF and Indian Wells don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Slams is where it's at and they have been joke matches since Wimbledon 08, literally getting progressively easier each time.

I would certainly not rank AO 2009 as a 'joke match' by any means.

Certainly ended that way...not that he was impressive in the first 4 sets either.

Nadal ran away with it in the fifth, sure, but even then, that does constitute a 'joke match' in my opinion, especially considering the fact that Nadal came off that grueling five setter against Verdasco two nights prior.
 

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herios said:
tented said:
herios said:
tented said:
DarthFed said:
#8 in the world, if that can't motivate him...

I thought he would be No. 7, not No. 8. Are you sure?

http://live-tennis.eu/

Tented, there is a clear mistake on what the website shows right now. Berdych points total is wrong. It shows he lost in the QF at AO, and that is not true.
It didn't capture Tomas points he got for his last win in the QF.

It is strange we see this error. Yesterday I checked and Tomas was ahead of Roger. What the heck has happened with this website?

Thanks, herios! I appreciate the answer. Should have known you would know the correct rankings.

Not sure, but I just sent him a message alerting him to the errors. I noticed he also lists Wawrinka as being in the SF, not the final.
 

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tented said:
herios said:
tented said:
herios said:
tented said:
I thought he would be No. 7, not No. 8. Are you sure?

http://live-tennis.eu/

Tented, there is a clear mistake on what the website shows right now. Berdych points total is wrong. It shows he lost in the QF at AO, and that is not true.
It didn't capture Tomas points he got for his last win in the QF.

It is strange we see this error. Yesterday I checked and Tomas was ahead of Roger. What the heck has happened with this website?

Thanks, herios! I appreciate the answer. Should have known you would know the correct rankings.

Not sure, but I just sent him a message alerting him to the errors. I noticed he also lists Wawrinka as being in the SF, not the final.

Yes, that is wrong too. Stan is 5th right now, not 6th.
 

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And Nadal comes through! He wins in straight sets, 7-6(4), 6-3, 6-3.

Congratulation to Mr. Nadal, his team, and his fans.
Condolences to Mr. Federer, his staff, and his supporters.

It was a very tight first set, but one had a sense that it was slightly easier for Rafa to hold his serve, and that the tiebreaker might go his way.
Federer attempted to play aggressively coming to the net when he could and had some success there, but I think backed off it too soon, and began not to use the best judgement on his approach shots. His aggressive game almost totally disappeared in the final two sets, only making his way to the net when Rafa drew him in with a short ball, and even then Federer's net play was weak, missing many easy shots. He made a couple of good drop shots, but those were too few and far between.

Rafa was successful at passing Federer a few times, and this inhibited Federer. It really shouldn't happen. He needed to improve his approaches and judgement and continue to come in. Instead he retreated and began playing the game of attrition, which is always going to be in Rafa's favor. Federer was only broken once in the second set, but that was all that was required, because Federer could make no headway on Rafa's service games. Rafa served smartly, mixing it up, and backed it up with his ground game. He made more errors in the first set, but settled down nicely in the second and third set and let Roger make all the errors, which he did frequently (I think around 50 UE's for the 3 sets). Federer simply played more poorly as the match went on and he was obviously discouraged that not much of his strategy was working.

The key to me early in the match was Rafa's backhand crosscourt. It was working very well, and was getting to the empty space Federer was leaving when running around his backhand. This forced Roger to have to run hard to his forehand side and forced errors off Federer's forehand. Then when Rafa's forehand finally kicked in during the second set, it was too much for Federer to handle. Rafa's serve turned out to not be much of a factor either way. He only needed to get it in the court for the most part on his first serve. Roger was aggressive on some of Rafa's second serves, but not enough. And Federer simply wasn't consistent enough today, playing more poorly than either against Tsonga or Murray. For some of that, one has to give credit to Nadal for making Federer go for more, and some of that is probably due to Federer having enough of an off night to drop his confidence level.

Federer's serve, both first and second, was very good in the first set, but Rafa was getting a good read by the end of the set and getting into Roger's service game a bit more each time. Roger's serve began to be a bit more inconsistent as the game wore on, not making as many first serves, and Rafa was returning better. But it was really Roger's ineffectiveness in his ground game, which was inconsistent, both on the backhand and forehand side, and his approach/volleying was not quite on tonight that caused his demise.

Rafa played quite consistently and better after he took the first set. The forehand improved and his passing shots were on target for the most part. I don't think the turning point was winning the 1st set tiebreaker. It was the break of serve in the second set that did Federer in, as up to that time, I think Federer still believed he could level the match. And the key point in that break was definitely the unbelievable passing shot Rafa practically from behind himself, off an excellent deep low approach to Rafa's forehand side. Nothing wrong with Roger's shot, Nadal's shot was simply unbelievable. I think Roger pretty much gave up on the aggressive game after that. After getting broken, it got much more difficult for him. It was disappointing that Federer essentially gave up on his aggressive volleying game so soon. One has to be very patient with this game, even if a few passing shots get by you, you must have the mindset to continue going forward and make sure the approach shots are more sound, which in Federer's case they were not on the whole, especially in the second and third sets.

Again well done to Rafa. Good luck to him against the new Swiss #1 - Spartan Stan Wawrinka in the final on Sunday. Rafa's 12-0 against Stan and has never dropped a set, so it looks like it could be easy pickings for Nadal, but Ironman Stan has great confidence coming into his first ever major final. We will see if that matters at all. I think if Nadal plays well, even a good Stan doesn't have much chance. I think he'll have to hope Rafa is off just a bit, so good luck to Stan as well.

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