2013 Madrid Final: Serena vs. Masha

[tossip]

Maria is not as tough as the hype wants us to believe.....

I believe that she is that tough......just not against Serena. I have watched many matches where she appears to be down and out but she manages to overcome defeat. She can consistently do that against almost anyone except Serena and Vika. The same argument can be made for Roger and Nadal. Roger in his prime could beat almost anyone on any given day.....except for Nadal. Should we believe the hype for Roger?

Azarenka is tough but we never hear about the hype....Maria gets away with easy draws..if she is that tough why do they always give her easy draws,this is dating back to Larry Scott days

 

[tented]

Maria is not as tough as the hype wants us to believe.....

I believe that she is that tough......just not against Serena. I have watched many matches where she appears to be down and out but she manages to overcome defeat. She can consistently do that against almost anyone except Serena and Vika. The same argument can be made for Roger and Nadal. Roger in his prime could beat almost anyone on any given day.....except for Nadal. Should we believe the hype for Roger?

Azarenka is tough but we never hear about the hype....Maria gets away with easy draws..if she is that tough why do they always give her easy draws,this is dating back to Larry Scott days

There's no need to go into the mythological realm of draw conspiracies.

 

[SingleBackhand]

What an anti-climax that final was after all the hype over the red clay.
Yep Serena showed that she is a champ once again even on red clay. Well done and congratulations Serena still the #1!

I'm however not convinced that Serena is that good, it's Maria who made her look good in that final. It was really difficult to recognize the usual fighting and screaming Maria. She seemed paralyzed from the start and I tend to agree with those who've pointed out her mental block when Serena is concerned. When Serena broke back in the second set it was like Maria imploded and all her energy just disappeared and she just gave up which is so very unlike her. The same happened in Miami. It was kind of pathetic and I as well as the TV-commentator felt sorry for her
I've no idea when this vicious circle started because she had some close and competitive matches against Serena pre-surgery and even if Serena would beat Maria most of the time she should be able to win some of the matches. I can't believe that Maria is that far behind tennis wise.

Anyways no more surface debate. It doesn't matter. As long as Maria can't get over her fear or whatever it is Serena does to her mentally she's never gonna defeat Serena and in whatever final the 2 are going to meet in the future the result is already given. It's kind of sad really
Looking on the bright side, Maria reached the final for the first time ever here in Madrid at least when all other top players were eliminated in earlier stages. Victoria's exit and the way it happened was especially astonishing. So apart from this dreadful final it was a kind of a success for Maria Unfortunately this last impression of Maria's collapse will be the one which people are going to remember

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Azarenka is tough but we never hear about the hype....Maria gets away with easy draws..if she is that tough why do they always give her easy draws,this is dating back to Larry Scott days

I wonder when you're going to stop with your ignorant statements about how easy draws are given to Maria Sharapova. It seems like you're not able to learn or comprihend how a WTA draw is performed and that the possibilities for foul play are minimal if not impossible. You dislike Maria and I get that but you're accusing the WTA officials, the tournament officials, the player representatives and the attending press who witnesses the procedure for foul play without seeing how insane that is and above all how annoying you are with these constant lies. If you can not present any evidence than you should shut the hell up about it

 

[tossip]

Maria is not as tough as the hype wants us to believe.....

I believe that she is that tough......just not against Serena. I have watched many matches where she appears to be down and out but she manages to overcome defeat. She can consistently do that against almost anyone except Serena and Vika. The same argument can be made for Roger and Nadal. Roger in his prime could beat almost anyone on any given day.....except for Nadal. Should we believe the hype for Roger?

Azarenka is tough but we never hear about the hype....Maria gets away with easy draws..if she is that tough why do they always give her easy draws,this is dating back to Larry Scott days

There's no need to go into the mythological realm of draw conspiracies.

its all over cyber sphere...go to any tennis website,its been like that for years since Larry Scott days..

 

[jhar26]

Maria is not as tough as the hype wants us to believe.....

I believe that she is that tough......just not against Serena. I have watched many matches where she appears to be down and out but she manages to overcome defeat. She can consistently do that against almost anyone except Serena and Vika. The same argument can be made for Roger and Nadal. Roger in his prime could beat almost anyone on any given day.....except for Nadal. Should we believe the hype for Roger?

Azarenka is tough but we never hear about the hype....Maria gets away with easy draws..if she is that tough why do they always give her easy draws,this is dating back to Larry Scott days

There's no need to go into the mythological realm of draw conspiracies.

its all over cyber sphere...go to any tennis website,its been like that for years since Larry Scott days..

There are a lot of things all over cyber sphere though. But Serena is no shy little girl who doesn't dare to speak up for herself. If there was anything fishy going on she would be the first to reveal it.

 

[tented]

Maria is not as tough as the hype wants us to believe.....

I believe that she is that tough......just not against Serena. I have watched many matches where she appears to be down and out but she manages to overcome defeat. She can consistently do that against almost anyone except Serena and Vika. The same argument can be made for Roger and Nadal. Roger in his prime could beat almost anyone on any given day.....except for Nadal. Should we believe the hype for Roger?

Azarenka is tough but we never hear about the hype....Maria gets away with easy draws..if she is that tough why do they always give her easy draws,this is dating back to Larry Scott days

There's no need to go into the mythological realm of draw conspiracies.

its all over cyber sphere...go to any tennis website,its been like that for years since Larry Scott days..

So you're going with the "I read it on the Internet so it must be true" defense? Please ...

 

[tossip]

I believe that she is that tough......just not against Serena. I have watched many matches where she appears to be down and out but she manages to overcome defeat. She can consistently do that against almost anyone except Serena and Vika. The same argument can be made for Roger and Nadal. Roger in his prime could beat almost anyone on any given day.....except for Nadal. Should we believe the hype for Roger?

Azarenka is tough but we never hear about the hype....Maria gets away with easy draws..if she is that tough why do they always give her easy draws,this is dating back to Larry Scott days

There's no need to go into the mythological realm of draw conspiracies.

its all over cyber sphere...go to any tennis website,its been like that for years since Larry Scott days..

So you're going with the "I read it on the Internet so it must be true" defense? Please ...

even Stevie Wonder can see that WTA gives pova easy rides time and time again...look at the WTA website and notice that that 40 love thing is about pova and no one else and Stacy McAllister was Larry Scott s VP so obviously it was a consensus to focus on pova at the expense of the other players.Mattek at some point complained that the tour should embrace all players not just pova.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

You are now talking crazy! When was the last time Sharapova lost to anyone outside of the top 10? Wimbledon 2012 Lisicki. She rarely loses to the players she is supposed to beat. So naturally, all of her draws are going to seem easy. She did struggle in Stuttgart, but she didn't lose. I was surprised she got away with that level of play. If you want her to stop having "easy" draws, then tell the lower level players in her section to step up their game.

 

[SingleBackhand]

even Stevie Wonder can see that WTA gives pova easy rides time and time again

Show us some stats or previous draws for the last couple of years which can back up your statement instead of presenting a load of lose crap

Stacy McAllister was Larry Scott s VP so obviously it was a consensus to focus on pova at the expense of the other players.

How so obvious? Maybe for your twisted mind. What possible motive can the WTA and tournament officials have to favor Maria Sharapova?

Mattek at some point complained that the tour should embrace all players not just pova.

Why not link to an article which quotes Mattek-Sands so we can read in which context she said it? As far as I can see you're just spreading lies with no facts. You haven't even explained how a draw can be manipulated to favor a player.
A draw is a public procedure done by both WTA and tournament officials with player representatives present and they're often participating in the draw which is performed after strict rules. The press is watching while the draw is done
So instead of these insane and unfounded accusations and conspiracy theories why don't you present some facts for once?

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PdYhSyQPqw[/video]

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG-XGVhmeV4[/video]

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y9DH_cpnfY[/video]

 

[Calvy]

You are now talking crazy! When was the last time Sharapova lost to anyone outside of the top 10? Wimbledon 2012 Lisicki. She rarely loses to the players she is supposed to beat. So naturally, all of her draws are going to seem easy. She did struggle in Stuttgart, but she didn't lose. I was surprised she got away with that level of play. If you want her to stop having "easy" draws, then tell the lower level players in her section to step up their game.

I am in total agreement!

I'm sick and tired of my fellow Serena fans always trying to imply that Maria is successful and VERY consistent because of weak draws. She wins because she is damn good and she has the mind of a champ, not because of "easy" draws.

I'm critical of the lack of variety in Maria's game, but, she great with what she has, and to imply she gets favoritism with the draw is just crap, and reflects the person making such accusations is not educated in regards at how tennis works and is just biased.

 

[britbox]

You are now talking crazy! When was the last time Sharapova lost to anyone outside of the top 10? Wimbledon 2012 Lisicki. She rarely loses to the players she is supposed to beat. So naturally, all of her draws are going to seem easy. She did struggle in Stuttgart, but she didn't lose. I was surprised she got away with that level of play. If you want her to stop having "easy" draws, then tell the lower level players in her section to step up their game.

I am in total agreement!

I'm sick and tired of my fellow Serena fans always trying to imply that Maria is successful and VERY consistent because of weak draws. She wins because she is damn good and she has the mind of a champ, not because of "easy" draws.

I'm critical of the lack of variety in Maria's game, but, she great with what she has, and to imply she gets favoritism with the draw is just crap, and reflects the person making such accusations is not educated in regards at how tennis works and is just biased.

I'll have to see if we can add a LIKE button into this board. Good post.

 

[tossip]

I am enjoying all the pova beatdowns and the fact that all these coaches are failing to solve the Serena puzzle.Serena has a great tennis brain and putting on court coaching to shame.....

 

[britbox]

Masha was on the record saying she was tough to coach because she goes out and plays on instinct rather than following the coaches take.

 

[SingleBackhand]

I am in total agreement!

I'm sick and tired of my fellow Serena fans always trying to imply that Maria is successful and VERY consistent because of weak draws. She wins because she is damn good and she has the mind of a champ, not because of "easy" draws.

I'm critical of the lack of variety in Maria's game, but, she great with what she has, and to imply she gets favoritism with the draw is just crap, and reflects the person making such accusations is not educated in regards at how tennis works and is just biased.

And while I agree with Calvy, this isn't about Maria Shrapova but about tossip's accusations against the WTA, tournament officials and player representatives. He's making the whole organization suspect with all his unfounded accusations that they somehow tamper with the draw to favor a special player for some unknown and unintelligible reason. That is the main issue here. If tossip's lame accusations were true then the credibility of the whole organization is at stake

 

[tossip]

it looks this site is a pova fans haven....lol

 

[SingleBackhand]

it looks this site is a pova fans haven....lol

Or maybe folks here are just getting fed up with all your stupid comments? To me that's a much more plausible explanation.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Maria is not as tough as the hype wants us to believe.....

Man. I just saw Maria concession speech.. It was all of 20 sec...:blush:

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

it looks this site is a pova fans haven....lol

I am counting about 6-7 Serena fans and only one Mashafan. 2 if you add singlebackhand.

Personally, I Like Maria but then I like lots of other ladies too. I'll take Sabine or Ana over Masha.

Serena's fans outnumber Masha's fans just like her lopsided record.
:angel:

 

[tossip]

Maria is not as tough as the hype wants us to believe.....

Man. I just saw Maria concession speech.. It was all of 20 sec...:blush:

yeah 20 sec of pain...no matter how much she fronts...there is picture of her walking off the court and the ball boys are hoisting Serena in the air...its worth a thousand words.lol

 

[the AntiPusher]

Maria is not as tough as the hype wants us to believe.....

Man. I just saw Maria concession speech.. It was all of 20 sec...:blush:

yeah 20 sec of pain...no matter how much she fronts...there is picture of her walking off the court and the ball boys are hoisting Serena in the air...its worth a thousand words.lol