Will Nadal pass Federer?

[DarthFed]

Remember Moxie and all..All Rafa has to do is have another 3 grandslam winning season plus maybe another 2 grandslam winning season to become the grandslam titles leader..He has to take a few more Wimbledons or deny Roger from his most coveted possession.

Roger needs 10 Wimbledon's and he shouldn't retire without it. Nads has overachieved enough.

 

[shawnbm]

I think another US Open would be grand for Roger, as he would break out of the tie with Connors and Sampras. I think he has underperformed there--had a real good shot in 2014, but Cilic was out of this world that day.

 

[DarthFed]

I think another US Open would be grand for Roger, as he would break out of the tie with Connors and Sampras. I think he has underperformed there--had a real good shot in 2014, but Cilic was out of this world that day.

Yeah 2014 was tough but nothing beats 2009 there. One awful drop shot turned the match around when he served for the 2nd set. That would've been 6 in a row and if he had still won 2010 AO he'd have had the Roger slam. And of course 2010 and 2011 against Djoker were really bad gags as well.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

If at the end of 2018 or in a future year, the diff is greater than or equal to four, it is improbable that Rafa will pass Fed.

If at the end of an year, the diff is more than 5, it would be almost impossible for Rafa to pass to Fed.

 

[rafanoy1992]

If at the end of 2018 or in a future year, the diff is greater than or equal to four, it is improbable that Rafa will pass Fed.

If at the end of an year, the diff is more than 5, it would be almost impossible for Rafa to pass to Fed.

I agree with both statements. Now, here's another hypothetical question: What happens if the gap is only 2 at the end of 2018? Do you still think Nadal will catch to Federer?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I agree with both statements. Now, here's another hypothetical question: What happens if the gap is only 2 at the end of 2018? Do you still think Nadal will catch to Federer?

In that case, I would say it is highly probably that Rafa will catch up to Fed (all he needs is two more RGs after all).

If the difference is 1 by end of an year, it would be almost impossible for Roger to prevent Rafa from catching up.

If it is 3, it kind of hangs in balance keeping all of us in suspense.

 

[rafanoy1992]

In that case, I would say it is highly probably that Rafa will catch up to Fed (all he needs is two more RGs after all).

If the difference is 1 by end of an year, it would be almost impossible for Roger to prevent Rafa from catching up.

If it is 3, it kind of hangs in balance keeping all of us in suspense.

Once again I agree with your statements.

One thing I will say this: As long as Federer is still playing, I do not see Nadal will catch him (I do not really care that much if he does not catch him to be honest). I always believe Federer will come up with something to win one or two more slams to keep Nadal honest.

As for Nadal, while he is almost automatic in RG, I am prepared that one day he will lose (again) on that venue. It really is up to the non-clay Slams if Nadal catches Federer or not...

 

[DarthFed]

All I know is it's time for Fed to win more. Now is not the time to go weak. You can't get 10 Wimbledon's without first getting 9

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Once again I agree with your statements.

One thing I will say this: As long as Federer is still playing, I do not see Nadal will catch him (I do not really care that much if he does not catch him to be honest). I always believe Federer will come up with something to win one or two more slams to keep Nadal honest.

As for Nadal, while he is almost automatic in RG, I am prepared that one day he will lose (again) on that venue. It really is up to the non-clay Slams if Nadal catches Federer or not...

Ya, sure. There will come a day when Rafa won't win RG. The important point is that once that day comes, he will surely also not able to win any other slams.

If you think that day is nearer, than Rafa winning non-clay slams are important for catching up.

If you think that day is far away, than Rafa winning non-clay slams are not all that important for catching up.

I belong to the second category.

 

[Moxie]

Ya, sure. There will come a day when Rafa won't win RG. The important point is that once that day comes, he will surely also not able to win any other slams.

If you think that day is nearer, than Rafa winning non-clay slams are important for catching up.

If you think that day is far away, than Rafa winning non-clay slams are not all that important for catching up.

I belong to the second category.

But that's a bit disingenuous, isn't it? You will look down your nose at Nadal if his Major count is finally all on clay. Rafa needs more non-clay Majors, and I don't agree with @rafanoy1992 that if he doesn't win RG in a particular year that it means he won't win another. His 10-year wins streak of having a Major in each (a record) was kept alive by winning the AO in '09. Winning RG anchors his year, but it doesn't collapse it should he lose.

 

[monfed]

No matter how many slams Nadal pads up with RGs and inflates his already inflated slam count, Federer is clearly superior than Nadal on 2/3 surfaces, 3/4 if you consider indoors as a separate surface. So he can overtake Federer's slam count but no way in hell he surpasses him in greatness.

 

[rafanoy1992]

But that's a bit disingenuous, isn't it? You will look down your nose at Nadal if his Major count is finally all on clay. Rafa needs more non-clay Majors, and I don't agree with @rafanoy1992 that if he doesn't win RG in a particular year that it means he won't win another. His 10-year wins streak of having a Major in each (a record) was kept alive by winning the AO in '09. Winning RG anchors his year, but it doesn't collapse it should he lose.

i did not say that Nadal’s year will be ruined if he doesn’t win Roland Garros. I just said that in order for Nadal to catch Federer he has to win 1 or more non Clay slams. It will help him tremendously if he could win more non Clay slams alongside winning RG. If only wins either RG or another Slam, I think he will be okay.

 

[Moxie]

i did not say that Nadal’s year will be ruined if he doesn’t win Roland Garros. I just said that in order for Nadal to catch Federer he has to win 1 or more non Clay slams. It will help him tremendously if he could win more non Clay slams alongside winning RG. If only wins either RG or another Slam, I think he will be okay.

Yes, then we definitely agree. 2 more off-clay would be ideal, but, if nothing else, AO, for the double career slam. That's a bonus that Roger won't get.

 

[isabelle]

Roger needs 10 Wimbledon's and he shouldn't retire without it. Nads has overachieved enough.

he should start by 10 Halle

 

[DarthFed]

he should start by 10 Halle

Next year

 

[mrzz]

Fedal will never win another major. Things stay as they are.

 

[Moxie]

Fedal will never win another major. Things stay as they are.

Rafa just turned 32. Don't lump him in with the old geezer for not winning another one. Your crystal ball has a crack in it.

 

[monfed]

Rafa just turned 32. Don't lump him in with the old geezer for not winning another one. Your crystal ball has a crack in it.

The talentless clay vulture doesn't belong in the same sentence as Federer so yes he shouldn't be lumped in together.

 

[DarthFed]

Rafa just turned 32. Don't lump him in with the old geezer for not winning another one. Your crystal ball has a crack in it.

32 is old. 37 is ancient but what's it matter when the field sucks. And it will likely suck for close to another year. Roger just needs to keep that greed up and he will continue to get fatter. I want and expect at least 22. Roger is also making up for lost time, he was terrible in his early 30's aside from 2012.

 

[monfed]

32 is old. 37 is ancient but what's it matter when the field sucks. And it will likely suck for close to another year. Roger just needs to keep that greed up and he will continue to get fatter. I want and expect at least 22. Roger is also making up for lost time, he was terrible in his early 30's aside from 2012.

I think Fed is staring down the barrel if he's aiming for 22 because faker is getting back to his 2014-2015 form and by USO 18 he'll be fully back. Knowing Fed's luck, Fed will play well this time in USO only to be stopped by faker.