Will Nadal pass Federer?

[DarthFed]

I think Fed is staring down the barrel if he's aiming for 22 because faker is getting back to his 2014-2015 form and by USO 18 he'll be fully back. Knowing Fed's luck, Fed will play well this time in USO only to be stopped by faker.

There is pretty much no such thing as Federer playing well on grass or medium/fast hards and being stopped. Only exception I know is 2014 W final. Djoker sold his soul to the devil to win that one

 

[monfed]

There is pretty much no such thing as Federer playing well on grass or medium/fast hards and being stopped. Only exception I know is 2014 W final. Djoker sold his soul to the devil to win that one

Sorry mate, I didn't get you. Do you really favour Fed if he meets faker in the USO 18 or AO 19 final?

 

[DarthFed]

Sorry mate, I didn't get you. Do you really favour Fed if he meets faker in the USO 18 or AO 19 final?

AO 19 I would, that shit finally plays fast. USO 18 it depends on if Djoker is really looking strong again and if the courts are shamelessly slow.

 

[monfed]

AO 19 I would, that shit finally plays fast. USO 18 it depends on if Djoker is really looking strong again and if the courts are shamelessly slow.

I'm glad you're optimistic because my belief ran out after USO 15 final. I feel like Fed can't deal with faker's returning.

 

[DarthFed]

I'm glad you're optimistic because my belief ran out after USO 15 final. I feel like Fed can't deal with faker's returning.

Fed's return has been the bigger issue IMO. It prevented him from winning a bunch more majors.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

No matter how many slams Nadal pads up with RGs and inflates his already inflated slam count, Federer is clearly superior than Nadal on 2/3 surfaces, 3/4 if you consider indoors as a separate surface. So he can overtake Federer's slam count but no way in hell he surpasses him in greatness.

Federer can also be considered better on carpet.
Don't know why Federer foolishly campaigned to get that surface removed.

 

[brokenshoelace]

. And of course 2010 and 2011 against Djoker were really bad gags as well.

Well yes, but let's just say you'd have a lot more to complain about if he'd actually won those matches, if you know what I mean

 

[DarthFed]

Well yes, but let's just say you'd have a lot more to complain about if he'd actually won those matches, if you know what I mean

2010 for sure he'd have lost. Not convinced he would have lost the 2011 final. At that point the mental edge would've been the only thing he had going for him and obviously that's huge but still. Rafa was playing clay court tennis in the USO 2011, 2010 he was at a scary level

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Time to reassess the situation now that our idol has done a massive screw up. I don't believe he is done like some other people say. I think he has at least one more GS in him. But clock is ticking. He needs to be very careful.

In the post-loss interview in Wimby, when a reporter talked about he coming back next year and taking care of unfinished business, Fed answers saying he does not think he has any unfinished business at Wimbledon. He says he has conducted good business there in the past. I don't know what to make of that answer other than he does not have fire in belly.

But, here are some irritating stat.

Since 2003 when he first won Wimby, he has played 16 Wimbledons and brought home only 8 trophies, a pathetic 50% success rate for a Grass GOAT. Here are his 8 losses.

Finals (3) - Rafa 08, Novak 14, Novak 15
Semifinals (1) - Milos 16
Quarterfinals (3) - Berdych 10, Tsonga 11, Anderson 18
2R (1) - Stakhovsky 13.

In the losses to Milos (knee) and Berdych (back) he was somewhat compromised. But, the other six losses he was in good healthy condition only. The Tsonga loss was kind of understandable as he was playing lights out tennis.

Anyway, in USO, he has drawn blank for 9 years in a row since 2009. If he does not win this year also, it will be La Decima.

Now, he has to contend with renewed Novak also in all Slams. Further, while Fed is not playing on clay, Peasant has again risen to contender status on grass. Tough times ahead.

 

[DarthFed]

Time to reassess the situation now that our idol has done a massive screw up. I don't believe he is done like some other people say. I think he has at least one more GS in him. But clock is ticking. He needs to be very careful.

In the post-loss interview in Wimby, when a reporter talked about he coming back next year and taking care of unfinished business, Fed answers saying he does not think he has any unfinished business at Wimbledon. He says he has conducted good business there in the past. I don't know what to make of that answer other than he does not have fire in belly.

But, here are some irritating stat.

Since 2003 when he first won Wimby, he has played 16 Wimbledons and brought home only 8 trophies, a pathetic 50% success rate for a Grass GOAT. Here are his 8 losses.

Finals (3) - Rafa 08, Novak 14, Novak 15
Semifinals (1) - Milos 16
Quarterfinals (3) - Berdych 10, Tsonga 11, Anderson 18
2R (1) - Stakhovsky 13.

In the losses to Milos (knee) and Berdych (back) he was somewhat compromised. But, the other six losses he was in good healthy condition only. The Tsonga loss was kind of understandable as he was playing lights out tennis.

Anyway, in USO, he has drawn blank for 9 years in a row since 2009. If he does not win this year also, it will be La Decima.

Now, he has to contend with renewed Novak also in all Slams. Further, Peasant has again risen to contender status in Wimby.
Tough times ahead.

Funny to think that Wimbledon and USO are disappointing even though he's won a combined 13 majors but yet they are both disappointing a bit. USO needs no explanation. The problem at Wimbledon is that it is his best slam and he has often not gotten it done in the finals. And this year's loss was an abomination. Maybe he would've lost to Nole there again...maybe. But no way in hell should he have not at least reaches the finals and as far as the years go this is the biggest favorite at Wimbledon he's been where he has lost.

 

[monfed]

It seems inevitable with RG being a lock for Nadal for another 1-2 years and another non-clay slam from somewhere. Fed has to win USO now and I think he will.

Fed somehow has to get to 22. 20 is not enough. 21 can result in a tie if the 2 RG + 1 non clay slam scenario plays out.

It's crazy, 20 should be enough, that's 6 clear of the previous record holder but dull gets free RGs and Fed keeps blowing golden chances to increase his slam count like USO 17, Wim 18 which is why this slam chase hasn't ended yet.

 

[Moxie]

Even with Nadal missing such an excellent opportunity to pull within two by losing yesterday, I'd say the race looks tighter than ever. Nadal made himself relevant again at Wimbledon, so he could do it again. It's a question for both as to how healthy they stay, and if they can keep playing top of their games.

 

[rafanoy1992]

I feel like this upcoming 2018 US Open will be very important in terms of the slam title race between Federer and Nadal especially now that Djokovic is back

If Federer wins the US Open, then I feel like Nadal will never catch him (it is not like I believe he could catch him).

If Nadal wins the US Open, then ANYTHING can happen (I still believe Nadal will be short of Federer)

and

If neither Federer nor Nadal wins the US Open, then see point A.

If you are Federer fan at this point, as long as Nadal does not win a slam he will have the record. And I do not expect Nadal to win 3 RG titles to tie Federer's slam count.

 

[monfed]

I feel like this upcoming 2018 US Open will be very important in terms of the slam title race between Federer and Nadal especially now that Djokovic is back

If Federer wins the US Open, then I feel like Nadal will never catch him (it is not like I believe he could catch him).

If Nadal wins the US Open, then ANYTHING can happen (I still believe Nadal will be short of Federer)

and

If neither Federer nor Nadal wins the US Open, then see point A.

If you are Federer fan at this point, as long as Nadal does not win a slam he will have the record. And I do not expect Nadal to win 3 RG titles to tie Federer's slam count.

LOL how many times have we said this? Every slam seems to be the most important in terms of the slam race.

 

[herios]

LOL how many times have we said this? Every slam seems to be the most important in terms of the slam race.

That is true. There are slogans overused on this board.
Another one is "next season (HC or grass or whatever) should be very interesting"

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

It’s hard to say what happens. Will Andy or Stan find form again and be a foil to Djokovic, Federer, and Nadal making the road tough to a slam.

Will health play a factor in the quest for numbers?

Will Djokovic go on another tear? It seems like a confident Djokovic rattles Nadal and even Federer at times. It had to be rough on Rafa to be the more in form player and losing to a not even fully realized version of what Djokovic is as a player.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

It’s hard to say what happens. Will Andy or Stan find form again and be a foil to Djokovic, Federer, and Nadal making the road tough to a slam.

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Stan is probably done winning slams. But, can sure come up with an occasional upset. With Andy, he is in the same territory as Novak was two weeks ago. Unless and until he proves otherwise, we should assume that he cannot win slams anymore. I am not saying he will never win. But, he needs to prove himself coming back from such a serious hip surgery.

Starting with 2003 Wimbledon, there have been 61 GSs so far. Of them 50 have been won by Fedalovic. The remaining 11 shared as follows: Stan and Murray 3 each, Roddick, Safin, Gaudio, JMDP and Cilic 1 each. Assuming Stan and Murray are done, we are left with 5 other slam winners, of which three have retired. Considering JMDP has backhand issues, we have only Cilic as a contender who has proven himself by winning a major. The lost generation sucks. The Gen X need to mature little bit and will take about three years at least. So, of the next 12 slams, it is reasonable to assume that 10 will be won by Fedalovic and a couple of odd ones by some others.

The only interesting thing is to figure out how these 10 will be shared by the Truly Talented Three.

 

[mrzz]

Just to repeat that I am sure neither Nadal or Federer never win a major again (and I said that before Wimbledon). I am repeating this now just to be unpleasant.

 

[DarthFed]

Stan is probably done winning slams. But, can sure come up with an occasional upset. With Andy, he is in the same territory as Novak was two weeks ago. Unless and until he proves otherwise, we should assume that he cannot win slams anymore. I am not saying he will never win. But, he needs to prove himself coming back from such a serious hip surgery.

Starting with 2003 Wimbledon, there have been 61 GSs so far. Of them 50 have been won by Fedalovic. The remaining 11 shared as follows: Stan and Murray 3 each, Roddick, Safin, Gaudio, JMDP and Cilic 1 each. Assuming Stan and Murray are done, we are left with 5 other slam winners, of which three have retired. Considering JMDP has backhand issues, we have only Cilic as a contender who has proven himself by winning a major. The lost generation sucks. The Gen X need to mature little bit and will take about three years at least. So, of the next 12 slams, it is reasonable to assume that 10 will be won by Fedalovic and a couple of odd ones by some others.

The only interesting thing is to figure out how these 10 will be shared by the Truly Talented Three.

Three years for Next Gen to become relevant is a very long time. It is possible though. Even with that I don't really see Fedalovic winning 10 of the next 12.

 

[DarthFed]

Just to repeat that I am sure neither Nadal or Federer never win a major again (and I said that before Wimbledon). I am repeating this now just to be unpleasant.

I'd be beyond pleasantly surprised if Nadal was done. He's way too strong at RG still and he can milk a couple more at the very least. With Fed it's motivation and health that worries me more than age. He has a wife and 4 kids that are only getting older, he's been on tour 20 years, tons of records, etc. If he's hungry enough he will win more. If he's not then you will see more crazy losses like this last one.