Who wins Singapore?

[Calvy]

Serena hasn't lost to a top ten player since August of last year, and only twice since since August of 2012.

The point I am making is, she gets up for the upper echelon of the WTA, whereas, if this were a tour event where everyone was playing, I'd saying there was more likely a chance for an upset.

She played below level tennis last year in this tourney and still won.

 

[kskate2]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

You always pick Petra, which is your right. But even if Serena somehow gets knocked out, do you honestly believe Petra will defeat Sharapova? Not happening when Maria has a chance to clinch #1 without having to play her nemesis. :nono

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

You always pick Petra, which is your right. But even if Serena somehow gets knocked out, do you honestly believe Petra will defeat Sharapova? Not happening when Maria has a chance to clinch #1 without having to play her nemesis. :nono

Well, if she makes it to SF stage, we can give her brownie points for turning her back
to the other player, doing a soliloquy and staring down the other player (not to mention
shrieking). But, there is a possibility that she may not make it to SF either (if she
wins her matches inefficiently in the RR stage).

 

[kskate2]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

You always pick Petra, which is your right. But even if Serena somehow gets knocked out, do you honestly believe Petra will defeat Sharapova? Not happening when Maria has a chance to clinch #1 without having to play her nemesis. :nono

Well, if she makes it to SF stage, we can give her brownie points for turning her back
to the other player, doing a soliloquy and staring down the other player (not to mention
shrieking). But, there is a possibility that she may not make it to SF either (if she
wins her matches inefficiently in the RR stage).

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in her playing that ineffective in the RR. She has something to play for now and she knows she can't be horsing around. If she gets to the SF, I think she will probably only drop 2 sets or 1 match.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

You always pick Petra, which is your right. But even if Serena somehow gets knocked out, do you honestly believe Petra will defeat Sharapova? Not happening when Maria has a chance to clinch #1 without having to play her nemesis. :nono

Well, if she makes it to SF stage, we can give her brownie points for turning her back
to the other player, doing a soliloquy and staring down the other player (not to mention
shrieking). But, there is a possibility that she may not make it to SF either (if she
wins her matches inefficiently in the RR stage).

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in her playing that ineffective in the RR. She has something to play for now and she knows she can't be horsing around. If she gets to the SF, I think she will probably only drop 2 sets or 1 match.

Once, the players reach SF it is just a single elimination tourney like any others and so the
efficiency of winning does not play any role.

 

[kskate2]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

You always pick Petra, which is your right. But even if Serena somehow gets knocked out, do you honestly believe Petra will defeat Sharapova? Not happening when Maria has a chance to clinch #1 without having to play her nemesis. :nono

Well, if she makes it to SF stage, we can give her brownie points for turning her back
to the other player, doing a soliloquy and staring down the other player (not to mention
shrieking). But, there is a possibility that she may not make it to SF either (if she
wins her matches inefficiently in the RR stage).

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in her playing that ineffective in the RR. She has something to play for now and she knows she can't be horsing around. If she gets to the SF, I think she will probably only drop 2 sets or 1 match.

Once, the players reach SF it is just a single elimination tourney like any others and so the
efficiency of winning does not play any role.

I know how the tournament is structured. You're the one saying she won't be effective in the RR and I disagree with that.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Well, Sharapova tends to win most of her matches against decent players in three sets.
I don't have the exact stat on top of my head. But, surely we all remember lot of matches
that she has won by gritting it out.

Yes, she has won many matches against other players in straight sets. But, most
of them are against nobodies.

In Singapore, the nobodies won't be there and everybody is somebody.

It is completely conceivable that in Maria's group, one player loses all three matches
and the three remaining players have two wins each. In that, case the two players who
won lost least amount of sets would be the one to advance to SF. In this scenario, it
is not difficult to see that Maria has higher chances of being the one who lost most
sets.

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

Here are some group examples:

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Serena, Petra, Genie, Ana
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Maria,Simona,Aga, Caro

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Serena, Simona,Aga, Caro
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Maria, Petra, Genie, Ana

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Serena, Simona, Genie, Caro
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Maria, Petra, Aga, Ana

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Serena.Petra,Aga, Caro
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Maria, Simo,Genie, Ana

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The grouping can become a big factor.

None of the scenarios will be easy.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

There are 8 possible ways, these groups can pan out. You are listing just four showing
your bias.

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

There are 8 possible ways, these groups can pan out. You are listing just four showing
your bias.

I said they were examples, you do the other 4.
lot

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I cant get into any discussion where hypothetical examples or scenarios are used
I will wait till the draw is released,before entering to any discussion.

 

[HawkEye]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

May I ask you why you feel 'Serena is not ready'?

I have picked Kvitova as my Dark Horse,it is her fourth consecutive year making the YEC
She has a outstanding indoor record.She does not however have a good h2h against either Serena or Maria.

Well, she hasn't played many matches recently, has she. I think the time when Serena didn't appear for some time and then was playing excellently from the beginning of a tourney is over. But of course, she can lose one matcht in RR and then be all right in the semis and finals. But that's the general scenario. I wanted to make it different. It can turn up any way.

 

[HawkEye]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

You always pick Petra, which is your right. But even if Serena somehow gets knocked out, do you honestly believe Petra will defeat Sharapova? Not happening when Maria has a chance to clinch #1 without having to play her nemesis. :nono

Yes I do believe. In Beijing Petra was tired. It might not have been aparent from her movement on the court. But her serve was a little bit weaker. This time I believe it will be different. I don't always pick Petra. There are periods when you just can't pick Petra, but when Petra is in form I believe she can beat Serena and Masha.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

One of the reasons I feel that Kvitova lost against Sharapova was the fact that she didnt move Sharapova around the baseline constantly all match,she did start to use angles attacking Sharapova's fhand wide,she did then get the errors.She also played too much up the middle right into Sharapova's strike zone.I think Kskate discussed this after her loss,we both agreed if she kept this plan of attack ,Kvitova could have won the match in straight sets.I also agree her serve was off when it mattered,though another reason she lost was her high ufe count.I did point out that fact before the match Kvitova had to keep her ufe to a minimum.Kvitova's coach did come on court after the 1st set from memory,you could see the change in strategy,Kvitova won the 2nd set convincingly.It will be interesting to see when Kvitova plays Sharapova again what plan of attack she uses.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

May I ask you why you feel 'Serena is not ready'?

I have picked Kvitova as my Dark Horse,it is her fourth consecutive year making the YEC
She has a outstanding indoor record.She does not however have a good h2h against either Serena or Maria.

Well, she hasn't played many matches recently, has she. I think the time when Serena didn't appear for some time and then was playing excellently from the beginning of a tourney is over. But of course, she can lose one matcht in RR and then be all right in the semis and finals. But that's the general scenario. I wanted to make it different. It can turn up any way.

I think Cavly post regarding Serena on this page might answer your questions why you dont feel 'Serena is Ready',another key is the motivation for Serena to win the YEC and thus clinching the No 1 position for 2014.Another reason is she has a winning h2h against the other players at the YEC this year.Just my thoughts on this matter.You of course are welcome to your own opinion.

 

[tossip]

One of the reasons I feel that Kvitova lost against Sharapova was the fact that she didnt move Sharapova around the baseline constantly all match,she did start to use angles attacking Sharapova's fhand wide,she did then get the errors.She also played too much up the middle right into Sharapova's strike zone.I think Kskate discussed this after her loss,we both agreed if she kept this plan of attack ,Kvitova could have won the match in straight sets.I also agree her serve was off when it mattered,though another reason she lost was her high ufe count.I did point out that fact before the match Kvitova had to keep her ufe to a minimum.Kvitova's coach did come on court after the 1st set from memory,you could see the change in strategy,Kvitova won the 2nd set convincingly.It will be interesting to see when Kvitova plays Sharapova again what plan of attack she uses.

Petra lost because pova is her idol..:lolz:..and was very passive..She only wakes up for Venus or Serena.I am always disappointed that she doesnt play to win against pova...just like she never used to play Na li hard because she was scared of the chinese s sponsors....what a weak mentality..:nono

 

[Correspondent Kiu]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

May I ask you why you feel 'Serena is not ready'?

I have picked Kvitova as my Dark Horse,it is her fourth consecutive year making the YEC
She has a outstanding indoor record.She does not however have a good h2h against either Serena or Maria.

Well, she hasn't played many matches recently, has she. I think the time when Serena didn't appear for some time and then was playing excellently from the beginning of a tourney is over. But of course, she can lose one matcht in RR and then be all right in the semis and finals. But that's the general scenario. I wanted to make it different. It can turn up any way.

I think Cavly post regarding Serena on this page might answer your questions why you dont feel 'Serena is Ready',another key is the motivation for Serena to win the YEC and thus clinching the No 1 position for 2014.Another reason is she has a winning h2h against the other players at the YEC this year.Just my thoughts on this matter.You of course are welcome to your own opinion.

Going into YEC last year in Turkey, Serena had 13260 points to her name and Beijing under her belt, this year she has 8645 points going into Singapore and picked up an injury in Beijing.

I know the potential is there but is everything else there as well?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I voted for Petra. I believe Serena is not ready and Petra will take it.

May I ask you why you feel 'Serena is not ready'?

I have picked Kvitova as my Dark Horse,it is her fourth consecutive year making the YEC
She has a outstanding indoor record.She does not however have a good h2h against either Serena or Maria.

Well, she hasn't played many matches recently, has she. I think the time when Serena didn't appear for some time and then was playing excellently from the beginning of a tourney is over. But of course, she can lose one matcht in RR and then be all right in the semis and finals. But that's the general scenario. I wanted to make it different. It can turn up any way.

I think Cavly post regarding Serena on this page might answer your questions why you dont feel 'Serena is Ready',another key is the motivation for Serena to win the YEC and thus clinching the No 1 position for 2014.Another reason is she has a winning h2h against the other players at the YEC this year.Just my thoughts on this matter.You of course are welcome to your own opinion.

Going into YEC last year in Turkey, Serena had 13260 points to her name and Beijing under her belt, this year she has 8645 points going into Singapore and picked up an injury in Beijing.

I know the potential is there but is everything else there as well?

The main issue is the condition of Serena's knee? from the reports I have been reading of late,it has been promising.Of course this is 'still up in the air',the question I feel will be answered when Serena takes the court in her first match at the YEC in ways.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

May I also present some facts,

If Serena makes the final underfeated she clinches the No 1 regardless of what Sharapova does

Serena 8196 making the finals underfeated

Maria 8180 winning title underfeated.

 

[tossip]

May I also present some facts,

If Serena makes the final underfeated she clinches the No 1 regardless of what Sharapova does

Serena 8196 making the finals underfeated

Maria 8180 winning title underfeated.

undefeated....:lolz:...:snigger