What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[calitennis127]

A point you liked so much, you decided to make it twice. I believe I have said before that Trump's ego is so fragile that it wants stroking. If you want something from the Fed, compliment the Cheetoh in Chief. This is proof of nothing.

Lol....so you are absolutely, positively, 100% sure that there is nothing genuine in those remarks? Why are you so sure of that? You should consider the possibility that someone could grant Trump's handling of this crisis a compliment and mean it. Also, I find it funny that you think Trump has the kind of leverage you are suggesting he does, where he can just deny assistance to a state because he is personally mad at someone for saying something about him. There is simply no way that he could do that in this situation. Even if he is politically at odds with a certain governor, he is in no position politically to just say "no, I'm not sending you supplies because I'm mad at you." He can get off the phone and curse about someone, but he is not in a position PR-wise where he can play the kind of emotional games that you have in mind.

Finally, your repeated contention that Trump's ego is "fragile" is a cliche among Democrats but I don't see it the same way at all. For one thing, Trump endured the most vicious and widespread media assault on a presidential candidate in American history, and he managed to prevail in the end over a political dynasty candidate who was heavily favored and had a massive political machine behind her. You don't do something like that and be mentally weak. If Trump was as easily shaken as you suggest, he would have stopped running in the Republican primary when the Republican establishment savaged him, let alone the general election when establishment Republicans and Democrats came together with the media to try to stop him from getting elected.

Furthermore, as president, Trump has endured non-stop investigative harassment from the Democrats and their allies in the FBI and DOJ. A mentally fragile wimp would not have been able to endure this kind of police state harassment while also fulfilling the basic duties of being president.

The reality is that you simply do not like Trump's style of communicating (which, again, is your prerogative), but you should not extrapolate from that that he is an "insecure" or "fragile" wimp. In fact, his style of attacking and bluffing is - ironically enough - very similar to what rappers do, as 50 Cent told Larry King in an interview. Do you think rappers have "fragile" egos? I doubt it.

 

[Moxie]

Sure, but in this case I do find it absurd that there has been hardly any discussion at all of China, despite this being an international board. Look at Federbergy and the Lebanese sloppy sloth. They can tee off on Trump or "America" day and night (which is their prerogative), but they can't utter a single critical peep about a government which is clearly corrupting the WHO and which clearly misrepresented the severity of the crisis to the United States and other countries. It's even possible that the Chinese government sent large numbers of Wuhan residents to foreign countries after the January 23rd shutdown of Wuhan in order to have them take the virus anywhere but China. Why is this kind of scumbag behavior hardly brought up? It's funny that you are condemning me for a "win-at-all-costs" political mentality when the Chinese government epitomizes it.

And we have hardly even begun to scratch the surface of just how much China has corrupted the WHO.....which reminds me of this fitting new nickname assigned to it by Japan's Deputy Prime Minister:

I've told you there has been much mention made of China in all of this, and the WHO hasn't gotten of scott free. You could make your point without pretending that you invented this part of the discussion.

 

[calitennis127]

I've told you there has been much mention made of China in all of this, and the WHO hasn't gotten of scott free. You could make your point without pretending that you invented this part of the discussion.

Okay, great. Which posters exactly have been talking about China's complicity at all, let alone extensively? I recall one post from Britbox in response to me that was critical of the WHO (to his credit), but most of the talk here has been about the U.S. and Trump (either explicitly or implicitly). Notice especially that Federbergy has been on a crusade to show how poor the U.S. response has been compared to everyone else's, and that the "I can't justify the terminology I use" sloth from Lebanon is, as usual, showing his parochial obsession with the United States without saying a peep about China.

 

[calitennis127]

That’s more to do with politics than science I suspect. Research needs to be done.

Well Federberg, take a look at this new article from the New York Times: your request was granted. More research was just done on hydroxychloroquine - in China (the country you refuse to criticize for anything). And the study was done in Wuhan no less. So now we are up to this as evidence of its effectiveness:

- 2 French studies
- FDA approval
- The Democratic governor of Michigan reversing course and giving it the go-ahead
- And now a NYT article citing a study from Wuhan itself

And of course we have the examples of hydroxychloroquine working in Michigan, New Jersey, Florida, and especially NYC with the Hasidic Jewish doctor. The evidence is mounting. Enjoy the article.....

Malaria Drug Helps Virus Patients Improve, in Small Study
April 1, 2020

Malaria Drug Helps Virus Patients Improve, in Small Study (Published 2020)

A group of moderately ill people were given hydroxychloroquine, which appeared to ease their symptoms quickly, but more research is needed.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Federberg]

Well Federberg, take a look at this new article from the New York Times: your request was granted. More research was just done on hydroxychloroquine - in China (the country you refuse to criticize for anything). And the study was done in Wuhan no less. So now we are up to this as evidence of its effectiveness:

- 2 French studies
- FDA approval
- The Democratic governor of Michigan reversing course and giving it the go-ahead
- And now a NYT article citing a study from Wuhan itself

And of course we have the examples of hydroxychloroquine working in Michigan, New Jersey, Florida, and especially NYC with the Hasidic Jewish doctor. The evidence is mounting. Enjoy the article.....

Malaria Drug Helps Virus Patients Improve, in Small Study
April 1, 2020

Malaria Drug Helps Virus Patients Improve, in Small Study (Published 2020)

A group of moderately ill people were given hydroxychloroquine, which appeared to ease their symptoms quickly, but more research is needed.

www.nytimes.com

if you could just write what you need to write without editorialising you would be far more effective. You know that right? Instead you say insanely stupid stuff and the rest of what you say has to be ignored...

 

[Federberg]

(PDF) The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus

PDF | The 2019-nCoV has caused an epidemic of 28,060 laboratory-confirmed infections in human including 564 deaths in China by February 6, 2020. Two... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

web.archive.org

 

[Federberg]

Is this the first celebrity death? RIP Eddie...

Coronavirus: Little and Large comedian Eddie Large dies 'after contracting COVID-19 in hospital'

Eddie Large's family were unable to sit with him due to coronavirus, but have paid tribute to the "fantastic" NHS for his care.

news.sky.com

 

[Federberg]

US jobless claims are rising up covid-19 style, basically doubling in a week..

 

[britbox]

Is this the first celebrity death? RIP Eddie...

Coronavirus: Little and Large comedian Eddie Large dies 'after contracting COVID-19 in hospital'

Eddie Large's family were unable to sit with him due to coronavirus, but have paid tribute to the "fantastic" NHS for his care.

news.sky.com

I used to like Little and Large. Funny act back in the day. Eddie had been very sick for a long time. He had a heart transplant, kidney problems. I mention it because there was probably a decent chance he wouldn't see the end of 2020 in any event.

We've touched on how different countries have slightly different reporting models on Coronavirus.

One thing I'd like to see is net deaths on a year by year basis split by month across different age groups. The reason is that people like Eddie Large will be a CV stat... but would he have been a 2020 death stat anyway?

Similarly, stats on suicide, domestic violence, other deaths would be helpful. Are they going up a curve as a result of measures being implemented? We're seeing many other surgeries being put back to free up capacity. I wonder what the impact is there too.

I think all of this stuff is quite complicated.

 

[Federberg]

I used to like Little and Large. Funny act back in the day. Eddie had been very sick for a long time. He had a heart transplant, kidney problems. I mention it because there was probably a decent chance he wouldn't see the end of 2020 in any event.

We've touched on how different countries have slightly different reporting models on Coronavirus.

One thing I'd like to see is net deaths on a year by year basis split by month across different age groups. The reason is that people like Eddie Large will be a CV stat... but would he have been a 2020 death stat anyway?

Similarly, stats on suicide, domestic violence, other deaths would be helpful. Are they going up a curve as a result of measures being implemented? We're seeing many other surgeries being put back to free up capacity. I wonder what the impact is there too.

I think all of this stuff is quite complicated.

definitely. As with this type of stuff at all times, a proper careful study after the fact will reveal many things we didn't know at the time..

 

[britbox]

definitely. As with this type of stuff at all times, a proper careful study after the fact will reveal many things we didn't know at the time..

Definitely, it's a moving target. Lots of lessons to be learned and lots of data to be analysed.

 

[Federberg]

Definitely, it's a moving target. Lots of lessons to be learned and lots of data to be analysed.

What I want to know is why Western governments didn't implement the same sort of pandemic legislation that South Korea did. Ok.. they might have added a more freedom tilting flavour to it, but ffs does the crisis have to happen in your own country before you realise something needs to be done? SARS happened nearly 20years ago. And if that wasn't enough MERS happened almost a decade ago. What more did they need to prepare? This is just inexcusable...

 

[britbox]

I can't remember the article I was reading off-hand, but if I remember rightly, it was saying South Korea got caught with their pants down over MERS. It didn't really impact the west so much... so probably this is MERS Magnified for the west and they'll be much better prepared next time around.

One message that might come through this, is that a Pandemic is far more dangerous to your populace than actions marked as terrorism.

 

[Federberg]

I can't remember the article I was reading off-hand, but if I remember rightly, it was saying South Korea got caught with their pants down over MERS. It didn't really impact the west so much... so probably this is MERS Magnified for the west and they'll be much better prepared next time around.

One message that might come through this, is that a Pandemic is far more dangerous to your populace than actions marked as terrorism.

exactly! And also you can't deal with pandemics on a nationalist level. They need to beef up the WHO and act quickly in future. Spend a penny at ground zero and maybe you don't have spend a few trillion later

 

[britbox]

exactly! And also you can't deal with pandemics on a nationalist level. They need to beef up the WHO and act quickly in future. Spend a penny at ground zero and maybe you don't have spend a few trillion later

I agree because we are living with globalisation... (sidebar thought: will this pandemic influence that?). If the WHO is a truly independent body then I'd agree. Signs are it isn't. The WHO has been woeful throughout this pandemic and heavily influenced by China IMO.

 

[Federberg]

I agree because we are living with globalisation... (sidebar thought: will this pandemic influence that?). If the WHO is a truly independent body then I'd agree. Signs are it isn't. The WHO has been woeful throughout this pandemic and heavily influenced by China IMO.

Globalisation has been in retreat for a few years now, this will definitely accelerate that. One of the key lessons we're learning is that our just-in-time systems are so highly dependent on supply chains functioning properly that entire industries can be ground to halt. We actually first saw that after Fukushima, but this one is too much. With Trump's tariffs putting global trade in the harsh light of realpolitik major companies are now working out a path forward. I think that countries like Mexico in the Western hemisphere and Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia etc will be huge beneficiaries.

 

[britbox]

Globalisation has been in retreat for a few years now, this will definitely accelerate that. One of the key lessons we're learning is that our just-in-time systems are so highly dependent on supply chains functioning properly that entire industries can be ground to halt. We actually first saw that after Fukushima, but this one is too much. With Trump's tariffs putting global trade in the harsh light of realpolitik major companies are now working out a path forward. I think that countries like Mexico in the Western hemisphere and Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia etc will be huge beneficiaries.

I think if anything this will factor in supply chain risk to a much higher degree. We disagreed on other threads regarding local supply chains and internal capacity. I didn't frame it that well with the industries I used as examples, but when we are talking about health, communications, etc... (not the examples I used), it's a no brainer.

Following these events. I still hold firm to having some level of internal capacity in critical industry... but accept it's a nuanced argument.

 

[Federberg]

I think if anything this will factor in supply chain risk to a much higher degree. We disagreed on other threads regarding local supply chains and internal capacity. I didn't frame it that well with the industries I used as examples, but when we are talking about health, communications, etc... (not the examples I used), it's a no brainer.

Following these events. I still hold firm to having some level of internal capacity in critical industry... but accept it's a nuanced argument.

Perhaps you're misunderstanding what I've written but that's effectively what I'm talking about. The only difference is that what we're likely to see are supply chains being moved into trading areas. Hence Mexico for USMCA, and Romania/Bulgaria for the EEC etc.. You still have to find competitive/relatively low cost production sites

 

[Federberg]

the loony left are out and about...

 

[Federberg]

and just plain loonies too....

Overweight man with covid-19 and diabetes attempted 'suicide by cop'

An unidentified NYC man, 55, who claimed to have contracted Covid-19 attacked police with a knife and gun in an attempted 'suicide by cop', reports claim. He will survive being shot by police officers.

www.dailymail.co.uk