It doesn’t make sense to call a system “capitalism” if you know it’s not the truth. So, considering that Britannica says that we now have “capitalism”, logically for Britannica it’s truly capitalism.
What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad
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It doesn’t make sense to call a system “capitalism” if you know it’s not the truth. So, considering that Britannica says that we now have “capitalism”, logically for Britannica it’s truly capitalism.
Except Federberg was talking about perverted SOCIALISM, not perverted capitalism
Imo btw this debate can go on forever, I'm more on the side of those who are saying it's crony capitalism or cleptocracy......imo it's kinda catching at straws saying nationalising the banks (in the UK!, when in his "perversion of socialism" post Federberg was babbling about Trump) is even remotely like socialism (even for the rich or whatever), it's more of the capitalist elite defending the capitalist elite corruption stuff.....
Anyway, some fun stuff, hope the Brexiters are gonna enjoy
"The EUROPEAN countries with the highest living standards:
1. Switerland
2. Denmark
3. Germany
4. Sweden
5. Netherlands
6. Finland
7. Norway
8. Ireland
9. Austria
10. BRITAIN
How can the living standards be so low in the country that is 6th WORLD economy?
Why cannot everyone earn proper money and have decent living standards in the UK?
Why are those divisions between the rich and poor maintained in 21st century Britain?
Corporations make enough profit. They don't need all that money. They should be asked by the government to pay more tax as if they were the wealthy giving to charity.
The corporate greed should be stopped, not supported.
Raising national minimum wage, raising corporate tax, closing tax avoidance loopholes is the solution."
"And yet, when the financial system went into meltdown in 2008, it was not expected to stand on its own two feet, or to pull itself up by its bootstraps. Instead, it was saved by the state, becoming Britain's most lavished benefit claimant. More than £1tn of public money was poured into the banks following the financial collapse. The emergency package came with few government-imposed conditions and with little calling to account. "The urge to punish all bankers has gone far enough," declared a piece in the Financial Times just six months after the crisis began. But if there was ever such an "urge" on the part of government, it was never acted on. In 2012, 2,714 British bankers were paid more than €1m – 12 times as many as any other EU country. When the EU unveiled proposals in 2012 to limit bonuses to either one or two years' salary with the say-so of shareholders, there was fury in the City. Luckily, their friends in high office were there to rescue their bonuses: at the British taxpayers' expense, the Treasury took to the European Court to challenge the proposals. The entire British government demonstrated, not for the first time, that it was one giant lobbying operation for the City of London. Between 2011 and 2013, bank lending fell in more than 80% of Britain's 120 postcode areas, helping to stifle economic recovery. Banks may have been enjoyed state aid on an unprecedented scale, but their bad behaviour just got worse – and yet they suffered no retribution."
DO YOU THINK BB THAT STUFF WILL BE FIXED AFTER BREXIT TO MAKE IT FAIRER FOR THE AVERAGE JOE?????
britbox
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Ha ha Nekro, you know Britain is (currently) in the EU and Switzerland (#1) isn't? ... not the best way to present an "Anti-Brexit" argument. Anyway, there are various indexes for calculating these things...
The Social Progress index ranked Britain #9
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-life
not one country with a bigger economy ranked higher.
No, Brexit isn't a magic wand... it won't cure a lot of ills. I've always said it's about accountability and the ability to vote in or out politicians who represent you.
The Social Progress index ranked Britain #9
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-life
not one country with a bigger economy ranked higher.
No, Brexit isn't a magic wand... it won't cure a lot of ills. I've always said it's about accountability and the ability to vote in or out politicians who represent you.
Oh yeah, cool you addressed only the copy-pasted part, and the fact Switzerland is not in the EU doesn't change a thing, shitloads of EU countries are before Britain, that's the point.... So i can't even say "nice try" lol.....
Yeah, from the look of things Brexit will make corruption even worse...... Like you see the EU wanted to cure some of the corruption and the Brits didn't let them do it..... And that's likely to get even worse with the EU out of the picture.... Will be much easier to fuck the Average Joe without the EU....
britbox
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There's even shitloads more countries behind the UK on standard of living.... 28 countries in the EU.... on your index 7 above and 20 below, on my index 4 above and 23 below.
no matter the index Britain is going down and "mark my given words"
(<-that's from a very special mtf poster ) after Brexit it will go down even faster :bat:
britbox
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Well, at the end of 2014 it was 4th.... https://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/dec/11/uk-living-standards-eu so it's going down no?
Anyway, what i'm saying is not based on indices and stuff...... it's just common sense...British society is a mess... everything is getting worse, there's cultural crisis, identity crisis, financial crisis, all kinds of bad things going on... big corruption, bad politicians, bad media, it's headlessness and chaos... and now there will be even Brexit.... Jobs go to the EU from the financial sector, other sectors, worse movement for workers will make everything worse too.....
So for example no matter my country's place on whatever index you choose i wouldn't switch to be a British citizen for all the money in the world, you know we have a cool and stable national identity, cultural identity, religious identity, we're EU members but at the same time we have good relationships with Russia and China, other eastern countries... I wouldn't trade that for anything else..... Being a UK citizen is horroristic to me......
Federberg the Imbecile said that we have now a perverted SOCIALISM, not perverted capitalism.
I know. What I was trying to say was that society cannot just change from being capitalist to socialist without having an in-between so asking to what extent are we living in a capitalist society & to what extent are we living in a socialist society is a good question.
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When I said I might even write a song about my thoughts I didn't mean glorifying what's been going on but something like a reggae or protest song or a song similar to what the Scottish made to explain their sad history. Something like:-
Do you know what's going on in other countries?
There are people starving or in need.
There are people causing trouble.
There are people fighting wars. What an awful deed.
Chorus
I want an end to war.
That is what I want.
I will never end the fight until they stop the war.
No-oooo war, No-oooo gore, No pain, Better pla-aace.
Do you know what's going on in other countries?
There are people starving or in need.
There are people causing trouble.
There are people fighting wars. What an awful deed.
Chorus
I want an end to war.
That is what I want.
I will never end the fight until they stop the war.
No-oooo war, No-oooo gore, No pain, Better pla-aace.
britbox
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Your description of the UK isn't one I recognise Nekro. You becoming a UK citizen wouldn't just horrify you
He may know about the E.U. but he doesn't know much about the U.K. He thinks he does but he doesn't. My quizzes proved that to him & everyone else. He says a lot about Britain but doesn't know what he's talking about.Your description of the UK isn't one I recognise Nekro. You becoming a UK citizen wouldn't just horrify you
Well, it wouldn't be your prob, you don't plan to returnYour description of the UK isn't one I recognise Nekro. You becoming a UK citizen wouldn't just horrify you
Anyway, if i got down to it i would be more useful for Britain than all of the Brits here and on mugray's zionist world put together....@EquineAnn
The quizzes about Wordsworth, the lake district, the Bronte sisters and haggis that i didn't even bother to shit on? How is that useful knowledge about Britain in the context of Brexit or the future of Britain?
You had to vote about something important like Brexit and fucked up..... Brits with more brains like Bogus the Rodent and Pedophile Joe, who want a progressive Britain and who btw actually contribute something to the budget are crying in shame what kinds of genetically burdened freaks voted for Brexit.......
Gee! You can't get some people. They say Britain has no culture but when asked about British culture they know nothing. They spew anti-British stuff & racist, anti-Muslim stuff until you get sick of it & stand up against it. You know they back-stab so you can't put them on ignore without looking to see what they put every now & then so you can call them out on their crap. I've more idea about what we can do than some politicians & would have put some of these ideas into action before now. I don't know everything though. No one does. We'll go through a period of uncertainty because we've been in the E.U. for so long but with proper action this uncertainty will lift. We'll make changes & our own laws & trade deals again not necessarily with E.U. countries. I didn't make my decision over what way to vote through just 1 reason but many. I don't regret voting the way I did. If anything the only thing I regret about the referendum is voting at all with how long it has taken for our vote to be acted upon & all the arguments it has caused. I've actually got more brains than I show like most people on here. I'm no arrogant show-off but I'm no fool either & despite what a certain person says I do pay into the budget. I've actually got better things to do than argue with people like this who only hear what they want to hear & don't look at your full statements so don't see everything in context. They only read the parts that agree with their own opinions. They also call you stupid although they know you're not when you won't be brain-washed into agreeing with everything they say. They say you can't read when the truth is you don't believe everything you read. How they can claim you can't read when you're actually reading their obnoxious comments I don't know. They don't realise there are monomaniacs about. I guess most if not all people are monomaniacs. I didn't join to argue but to write my poems, look through decent content & talk to decent people.
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britbox
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Well, it wouldn't be your prob, you don't plan to return
@EquineAnn
The quizzes about Wordsworth, the lake district, the Bronte sisters and haggis that i didn't even bother to shit on? How is that useful knowledge about Britain in the context of Brexit or the future of Britain?
You had to vote about something important like Brexit and fucked up..... Brits with more brains like Bogus the Rodent and Pedophile Joe, who want a progressive Britain and who btw actually contribute something to the budget are crying in shame what kinds of genetically burdened freaks voted for Brexit.......
No, I don't plan on returning but still have UK clients and things like exchange rates affect me directly...plus I have family there so always interested.
I've heard good arguments for staying in the EU and good arguments against (none by you, by the way... subsidising Hungarian band practice wouldn't sway it for many Brits). At the end of the day, it's a judgement call. The western nations are in terminal decline in any event, it's about how to best manage it.
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One thing that constantly surprises me about Eastern Europeans on here and their generally pro-Russian stance (I'm sure there are some who don't voice their opposition but I refer to those who express their pro-Russia views) is that its not so long ago they were Soviet prison bitches, but now they're pro-Russia. I guess it's part of the culture wars sweeping around the West now. But still it's jarring
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I'm very sorry to hear about that. I hope not too many people were killed & injured. Did you hear President Trump is to be investigated over Russian meddling over the presidential election campaign?
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8 dead so far.
The Russia collusion investigation has been ongoing for some time now. But there has been the new development of the 3 indictments. Is that what you're referring to?
