What do you see going forward for Nadal?

What do you see going forward for Rafa?


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Carol35 said:
And here we are, more comments and pages than the AO threads :snicker
It seems like everybody can figure what Rafa is going to do. Well, my question is what others players are going to do, everything comes in streaks ;)

Oh, dear! Looks like you thought all these messages were generated in just a day. No. Somebody bumped an old thread and the new messages are just two or three. Relax.

It is always an interesting question as to how far down one would be willing to go and still remain in the circuit, after being a big time champion.
 

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kskate2 said:
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Good article with insights from Serena's coach. He's followed Rafa's career for some time it seems.

http://www.si.com/tennis/2016/01/20/rafael-nadal-patrick-mouratoglou-australian-open

And he appears to know what he's talking about. He's a great student of the game. Probably the best decision Serena has ever made bringing him on board. If they ever part ways, the list will be long of players (ATP/WTA) trying to acquire him.

Agreed on all points. He's proven invaluable to Serena's success. And he comes across as careful with his words. You can tell he admires Nadal, sympathizes with the difficulty of the transition and wishes him well.
 

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nehmeth said:
kskate2 said:
nehmeth said:
Good article with insights from Serena's coach. He's followed Rafa's career for some time it seems.

http://www.si.com/tennis/2016/01/20/rafael-nadal-patrick-mouratoglou-australian-open

And he appears to know what he's talking about. He's a great student of the game. Probably the best decision Serena has ever made bringing him on board. If they ever part ways, the list will be long of players (ATP/WTA) trying to acquire him.

Agreed on all points. He's proven invaluable to Serena's success. And he comes across as careful with his words. You can tell he admires Nadal, sympathizes with the difficulty of the transition and wishes him well.

It is getting harder to figure out what Nadal can do to turn it around short of a miracle.
 

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He is still ranked 5 by a wide margin. Nothing like Sampras was before winning his last slam.
 

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herios said:
He is still ranked 5 by a wide margin. Nothing like Sampras was before winning his last slam.

Agreed; Nadal hasn't fallen that far, but he'll continue to have trouble with the elite players who don't donate points! Roger may even be able to take him on a faster court! :p :angel: :dodgy:
 

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Fiero425 said:
herios said:
He is still ranked 5 by a wide margin. Nothing like Sampras was before winning his last slam.

Agreed; Nadal hasn't fallen that far, but he'll continue to have trouble with the elite players who don't donate points! Roger may even be able to take him on a faster court! :p :angel: :dodgy:

He already did last year. Should've finished him off in 2 though :p
 

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herios said:
He is still ranked 5 by a wide margin. Nothing like Sampras was before winning his last slam.

I think the difference is that Rafa's game relies on different weapons. Where as Sampras could go on a tare and have a great week of serving and timing and pull off an upset slam win, speed, I don't think, really works the same. A lot of what made Rafa great, doesn't usually come back in spells. That's why Rafa, even when he has been playing well (like a lot of the fall) was a shell of himself when playing top players.
 

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Riotbeard said:
herios said:
He is still ranked 5 by a wide margin. Nothing like Sampras was before winning his last slam.

I think the difference is that Rafa's game relies on different weapons. Where as Sampras could go on a tare and have a great week of serving and timing and pull off an upset slam win, speed, I don't think, really works the same. A lot of what made Rafa great, doesn't usually come back in spells. That's why Rafa, even when he has been playing well (like a lot of the fall) was a shell of himself when playing top players.

I agree, Riotbeard. Also, Nadal never had that "smooth" game. What I mean is that he can't do like Djokovic and Federer do in which they can effortlessly win matches without spending too much energy.
 

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rafanoy1992 said:
Riotbeard said:
herios said:
He is still ranked 5 by a wide margin. Nothing like Sampras was before winning his last slam.

I think the difference is that Rafa's game relies on different weapons. Where as Sampras could go on a tare and have a great week of serving and timing and pull off an upset slam win, speed, I don't think, really works the same. A lot of what made Rafa great, doesn't usually come back in spells. That's why Rafa, even when he has been playing well (like a lot of the fall) was a shell of himself when playing top players.

I agree, Riotbeard. Also, Nadal never had that "smooth" game. What I mean is that he can't do like Djokovic and Federer do in which they can effortlessly win matches without spending too much energy.

Djokovic has "smooth" game? are you kidding me? my goodness, he always seems like his body is going to finish in pieces :cover
 

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herios said:
He is still ranked 5 by a wide margin. Nothing like Sampras was before winning his last slam.

And yet the gap seems so much wider than it did between Sampras and the then #1. Who was it - Safin, Rafter, Cash - Agassi? I can't remember. I just remember Pete being horrible - but he didn't seem as lost and broken as Nadal does. It seems like the Pacific Ocean lies between where Nadal is and where Novak is. But, I think eventually the style of tennis Novak plays is going to catch up with him, too. In 1 or 2 years we'll be having this exact same discussion about Novak.
 

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I see that he is training on clay and he is going to play in Rio Open, Brazil, but he has not confirmed if he will play in Buenos Aires :cool:
 

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Front242 said:
Fiero425 said:
herios said:
He is still ranked 5 by a wide margin. Nothing like Sampras was before winning his last slam.

Agreed; Nadal hasn't fallen that far, but he'll continue to have trouble with the elite players who don't donate points! Roger may even be able to take him on a faster court! :p :angel: :dodgy:

He already did last year. Should've finished him off in 2 though :p

And that proves what? Roger has taken Nole in Dubai and Cincy! It means little to nothing after looking at the GS contests; esp. of late! This latest "beat down" will give Roger something to think about in the coming year or 2! Raonic's come into his own finally; at least making this AO semi impressively! I can't wait for the rest to catch up; if they can stay on the court more than a couple months at a time! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :cover
 

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Roger made a ton of errors yesterday which didn't help his cause one bit. He was going toe to toe in the rallies but over hitting a lot and netting routine balls. Don't expect him to lose 6-1 or 6-2 sets to Novak much in the future.
 

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Front242 said:
Roger made a ton of errors yesterday which didn't help his cause one bit. He was going toe to toe in the rallies but over hitting a lot and netting routine balls. Don't expect him to lose 6-1 or 6-2 sets to Novak much in the future.

If Roger tries to, as you say "go toe to toe" with Djokovic, the losses will be more embarrassing IMO! Can't you see Nole eats up pace? Going 20-30 strokes a rally will do the old man no good by a 4th set; be realistic! Roger committed errors, but they weren't all UF; many were forced by pace of shot and length of the rallies! :nono :angel: :cover
 

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Fiero425 said:
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Roger made a ton of errors yesterday which didn't help his cause one bit. He was going toe to toe in the rallies but over hitting a lot and netting routine balls. Don't expect him to lose 6-1 or 6-2 sets to Novak much in the future.

If Roger tries to, as you say "go toe to toe" with Djokovic, the losses will be more embarrassing IMO! Can't you see Nole eats up pace? Going 20-30 strokes a rally will do the old man no good by a 4th set; be realistic! Roger committed errors, but they weren't all UF; many were forced by pace of shot and length of the rallies! :nono :angel: :cover

Depends what those 20-30 shot rallies entail. If there are lots of fast shots and angles requiring running then, fair enough, it's not clever to expend that kind of energy but there are many down the middle of the court shots or sliced backhands that do nothing to tire either guy out and it's simply a case of changing the pace to try and force the error from awkward spin and waiting for the moment to strike a winner.

Couldn't disagree more with the notion that Novak eats up pace btw. Why then has he never won Cincy? The pace of that court is the very reason he hasn't won there and why Roger's attacking game is so effective there. Roger's problem isn't the pace against Novak, it's a combination of him being slower with age, Novak in his prime and with quicker reaction speed, great return of serve, the courts all being slower these days and his mental block against Novak where his game that was at a very high level all tournament suddenly goes to pieces. It's happened at all the last slam finals they've contended and here in the semi also. Roger's game just isn't anywhere near what it was in the earlier rounds. Now some hardcore Djokovic fans will say he's not allowed to play his game but then I'd counter that by saying it's nonsense 'cos he can do so no problem in masters events, etc. The problem for Roger is the moment is getting to him on the big stage against Novak and he panics and isn't able to execute his game plan properly when it matters most. He does sporadically, but not the same level of consistency he had even not so long ago as 2011.

Until he fixes that major hiccup against Novak at the slams he'll continue to lose but it's entirely feasible for things to go his way sometime in the future if he works hard at it. He has all the shots in the book and just needs to calm his nerves and play freely with reduced pressure to execute properly in the big moments. Easier said than done of course but he's Roger Federer and if anyone can, he can but who knows how many more shots he'll get at Novak in the semis or finals of slams.
 

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Front242 said:
Fiero425 said:
Front242 said:
Roger made a ton of errors yesterday which didn't help his cause one bit. He was going toe to toe in the rallies but over hitting a lot and netting routine balls. Don't expect him to lose 6-1 or 6-2 sets to Novak much in the future.

If Roger tries to, as you say "go toe to toe" with Djokovic, the losses will be more embarrassing IMO! Can't you see Nole eats up pace? Going 20-30 strokes a rally will do the old man no good by a 4th set; be realistic! Roger committed errors, but they weren't all UF; many were forced by pace of shot and length of the rallies! :nono :angel: :cover

Depends what those 20-30 shot rallies entail. If there are lots of fast shots and angles requiring running then, fair enough, it's not clever to expend that kind of energy but there are many down the middle of the court shots or sliced backhands that do nothing to tire either guy out and it's simply a case of changing the pace to try and force the error from awkward spin and waiting for the moment to strike a winner.

Couldn't disagree more with the notion that Novak eats up pace btw. Why then has he never won Cincy? The pace of that court is the very reason he hasn't won there and why Roger's attacking game is so effective there. Roger's problem isn't the pace against Novak, it's a combination of him being slower with age, Novak in his prime and with quicker reaction speed, great return of serve, the courts all being slower these days and his mental block against Novak where his game that was at a very high level all tournament suddenly goes to pieces. It's happened at all the last slam finals they've contended and here in the semi also. Roger's game just isn't anywhere near what it was in the earlier rounds. Now some hardcore Djokovic fans will say he's not allowed to play his game but then I'd counter that by saying it's nonsense 'cos he can do so no problem in masters events, etc. The problem for Roger is the moment is getting to him on the big stage against Novak and he panics and isn't able to execute his game plan properly when it matters most. He does sporadically, but not the same level of consistency he had even not so long ago as 2011.

Until he fixes that major hiccup against Novak at the slams he'll continue to lose but it's entirely feasible for things to go his way sometime in the future if he works hard at it. He has all the shots in the book and just needs to calm his nerves and play freely with reduced pressure to execute properly in the big moments. Easier said than done of course but he's Roger Federer and if anyone can, he can but who knows how many more shots he'll get at Novak in the semis or finals of slams.

Pace of shot is not a problem playing against his pigeons; Nole loves to bang the ball with Cilic, Ferrer, and Berdych! You can count their wins over him on one hand! Roger does more than hit hard; changes of speed, attacking the net, drop-shotting, etc.! :cover :puzzled :nono :angel: :dodgy:
 

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Well that's why rallying isn't a problem for Roger. He can cut it short when the moment arises with any of the shots you listed above. His problem is cutting down on errors and managing to serve well in the biggest matches, namely the ones he's lost where it matters most against Novak. Compare how he served against Murray at Wimbledon to against Novak the match after and Murray is a damn good returner too.
 

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He is going to defend his B.A. title

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/nadal-2016-buenos-aires-wild-card
 

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Carol35 said:
He is going to defend his B.A. title

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/nadal-2016-buenos-aires-wild-card

He had two weeks free time. So, it makes sense. :cover
 

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The B.A. Open seems to be a good and competitive draw :cool:
Sock, Thiem, Dolgo, Delbonis, Mayer, Pico, Isner, Verdasco, Ferrer, Tsonga, Rafa, etc