US Politics Thread

[Moxie]

very polished. But... 'more concerns about Biden than Trump?' That's oily and annoying...

And speaking of the above discussion, she said, "You're going to have a female president...either me, or Kamala Harris." She's absolutely saying that if Biden wins, he'll die in office. But somehow it's "hateful" if anyone suggests that Trump could.

 

[Front242]

^you'll note I tried to avoid it. I wouldn't want that, not on anyone and their families. He's human. But I was looking at hypotheticals, nothing more...

Of course but Biden is more likely to die than Trump since we're talking age ! Ah but he's slimmer and fitter people will say....

Falling down piles of stairs or off podiums would kill some elderly people if they fell badly and he falls a lot so, of the 2, Biden is more likely to meet the reaper first merely due age alone and the falls compound the issue. But I highly doubt either will die before Xmas! Biden is definitely dropping out of the race though. You can book it.

 

[shawnbm]

You two look like y'all havin' fun with all this (Moxie and Federberg)!

 

[Moxie]

Of course but Biden is more likely to die than Trump since we're talking age ! Ah but he's slimmer and fitter people will say....

Falling down piles of stairs or off podiums would kill some elderly people if they fell badly and he falls a lot so, of the 2, Biden is more likely to meet the reaper first merely due age alone and the falls compound the issue. But I highly doubt either will die before Xmas! Biden is definitely dropping out of the race though. You can book it.

Dude, you are SO invested in Biden's poor health, and yet you have the nerve to scold people for suggesting that Trump could die.

 

[Front242]

Dude, you are SO invested in Biden's poor health, and yet you have the nerve to scold people for suggesting that Trump could die.

Ah ffs. Who is scolding anyone? I'm merely pointing out the obvious and that is Biden is 4 years older...

He's also a lot more frail. If Trump's 200+lb ass fell down the stairs, he'd probably bounce right back up like a Bruce Lee backflip.

 

[Moxie]

Ah ffs. Who is scolding anyone? I'm merely pointing out the obvious and that is Biden is 4 years older...

He's also a lot more frail. If Trump's 200+lb ass fell down the stairs, he'd probably bounce right back up like a Bruce Lee backflip.

You did suggest that the only reason to mention it would be because people hate him.

 

[Federberg]

And speaking of the above discussion, she said, "You're going to have a female president...either me, or Kamala Harris." She's absolutely saying that if Biden wins, he'll die in office. But somehow it's "hateful" if anyone suggests that Trump could.

yes I noticed that too

 

[Federberg]

Of course but Biden is more likely to die than Trump since we're talking age ! Ah but he's slimmer and fitter people will say....

Falling down piles of stairs or off podiums would kill some elderly people if they fell badly and he falls a lot so, of the 2, Biden is more likely to meet the reaper first merely due age alone and the falls compound the issue. But I highly doubt either will die before Xmas! Biden is definitely dropping out of the race though. You can book it.

I'm not sure it works that way. Age is just one of the variables. I think that stress is more likely to be a contributing factor. I suspect Biden lives a far more healthy life. But both of these guys are under an equal amount of stress. Biden's from the responsibilities of the office, Trump from all the litigation and the eventual loss of status (two time loser, likely to be a bankrupt again... and inevitably abandoned by his party after he takes another L)... But both of these guys are tough bastards. In my humble opinion those who are focused on the morbid stuff are applying a standard of frailty and mental weakness that is personal to themselves. Both these guys have shown all their lives they're made of tougher stuff

 

[Front242]

Precisely why I don't expect either to kick the bucket anytime soon and definitely not before Xmas !

 

[Moxie]

Precisely why I don't expect either to kick the bucket anytime soon and definitely not before Xmas !

And yet, you keep insisting that Biden will not be the Democratic candidate come November. No matter what you read on the dark web, notice that it is Biden who runs unopposed. Nikki Haley is still running against Trump, and that has to be, in part, because there are a few different reasons to believe he may not be the Republican candidate by November. Chances are slim, but: a) his legal troubles could see him unfit; b) the 14th Amendment could yet be invoked to make him unfit, c) the RNC could decided he can't win, d) ill-health.

Neither of these guys has to die to take them out of the race due to health. A stroke, mental unfitness. Biden has no legal issues to deal with, right-wing extremist theories notwithstanding. His issues would be health, or lack of popularity. Basically, he would have to agree to step aside. I don't see a coup at the convention. I'm linking a Politico article that posits how Biden could be replaced by the Democratic Convention next summer. I don't agree with all of this guy's premises, but he's not wrong on the procedures and the roadblocks to it. Not the least of problems would be that it would take the selection out of the hands of voters and give it to the delegates. This would not be that easy to sell to the rank-and-file.

Democrats Might Need a Plan B. Here’s What It Looks Like.

The political and procedural steps for how to pick a new presidential nominee.

www.politico.com

Notice that there are several potential alternatives listed in this article, and none of them is Michelle Obama.

 

[Moxie]

I'm not sure it works that way. Age is just one of the variables. I think that stress is more likely to be a contributing factor. I suspect Biden lives a far more healthy life. But both of these guys are under an equal amount of stress. Biden's from the responsibilities of the office, Trump from all the litigation and the eventual loss of status (two time loser, likely to be a bankrupt again... and inevitably abandoned by his party after he takes another L)... But both of these guys are tough bastards. In my humble opinion those who are focused on the morbid stuff are applying a standard of frailty and mental weakness that is personal to themselves. Both these guys have shown all their lives they're made of tougher stuff

I agree with you that these guys have to be made of tough stuff to do what they've done. They are also in a privileged category, as rich white guys will access to excellent healthcare, in terms of longevity. I agree with you that stress is more important than age, speaking of both of them. I believe that Biden actually stresses more on policy and the weight of his responsibility as President. But, he's also a long-serving politician, and he knows how to pick his battles, and how to mitigate frustrations. Personally, I don't believe that Trump is a deep-enough thinker to suffer the weight of office when he was in it. He shoots from the hip, and moves on. But he is ego-driven, and his losses, his legal issues, and the actual fees and fines he faces immediately have to weigh. No wonder he wants his daughter-in-law to head the RNC...she can approve the RNC paying his legal fees, or try to. But he's facing a fire sale of some of his assets. For all of his bravado, Trump has a lot of things collapsing beneath him. Including Haley staying in the race to prove to him that not all Republicans love him.

 

[Moxie]

Michigan votes today. A lot of Michigan Democrats plan to vote "uncommitted" as a protest against Biden's stance on Israel and Palestine. Michigan is crucial. The Israeli/Palestine was in Gaza is a nightmare, a third-rail, and I'm not sure what Biden does to navigate it, but he has to untether himself from Netanyahu.

Some Michigan Democrats plan to vote "uncommitted" to send Biden a message on Palestine

Biden's handling of Israel's war on Gaza has caused deep anger. The Listen to Michigan campaign wants voters to show it at the ballot box.

www.motherjones.com

 

[Moxie]

ok this is just cray cray...

Alabama supreme court rules frozen embryos are âchildrenâ

Court allows two wrongful death suits against fertility clinic to proceed while decision could impact people seeking IVF

www.theguardian.com

Here is part of the problem, but it goes deeper:

Alabama’s IVF Ruling Is Christian Theology Masquerading as Law

The ruling is clearly unconstitutional, but don’t expect the Supreme Court to come to the rescue.

www.thenation.com

You need to know about the New Christian Reformation. This is a 4-minute listen:

 

[Federberg]

not quite sure where to put this. It's not quite politics (but it relates), it's not quite PC (but it relates). It's fantastic. He's engaging, and has had such a fascinating life. This is the guy that Claudine Gay ran out of Harvard years ago... He's not projecting any political bias, so please watch and listen with an open mind

 

[Moxie]

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2024-01-26/mental-acuity-questions-catch-up-with-trump

 

[Federberg]

@Front242 thoughts?

 

[Moxie]

@Front242 thoughts?

A couple of comments I'd like to make on the video above of Trump's comments: 1) that he said he was being sarcastic when he conflated Obama with Biden...he was making a joke. Trump has no visible sense of humor, and never has. He lacks the subtlety for sarcasm. And 2) he insists that if he were dementing, he'd be the first to let people know. Um...ok. In my experience, he'll be the last to know, or at the very least to admit it before he becomes incapable of it.

This is a Salon article interviewing the same Dr. Gardner. I chose to post the US News & World Report one, above, for a more centrist option. But why should I? @Front242 post random videos of Biden. Gloves off.

Dr. John Gartner on a tale of two brains: "Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing"

"This is a fundamental breakdown in the ability to use language," the renowned mental health expert says of Trump

www.salon.com

Realistically, I think the Trump fans will believe whatever they want to. And the narrative that the right has been pushing for years on Biden is pretty entrenched. But I look at Front's videos, and they're from all different years. Also, as I say, the right-wing media has been selling Biden's decline for years. If he'd really been declining all this time, wouldn't it be more apparent by now?

 

[Front242]

Haven't had the chance to watch the video and will later but I'll address the first point about Obama as there's a strong belief by many that Obama was calling the shots for Biden. Obviously you won't find any mainstream "proof" of that because it's too embarrassing.

They're both old but it's a no brainer who of the 2 is the worse in terms of how they're functioning. Anyone not in denial and not clinically insane can see that. I'll watch the video later anyway this evening when I get the chance but it won't change anything I just typed in this paragraph.

 

[Federberg]

Haven't had the chance to watch the video and will later but I'll address the first point about Obama as there's a strong belief by many that Obama was calling the shots for Biden. Obviously you won't find any mainstream "proof" of that because it's too embarrassing.

They're both old but it's a no brainer who of the 2 is the worse in terms of how they're functioning. Anyone not in denial and not clinically insane can see that. I'll watch the video later anyway this evening when I get the chance but it won't change anything I just typed in this paragraph.

strong belief? Flat earthers probably Come on mate! Have you seen how Obama officials look down on Biden? It's very clear that they don't think much of him. They chose HRC over him. Open your eyes bro. No way Obama has any say.. none! In the Biden administration. The thing that keeps them together is a mutual disdain for Trump

 

[Federberg]

Can they be both dumb and delusional at the same time?