US Politics Thread

[shawnbm]

I think Trump against Biden leads to another four years of Biden--and it will be the largest turnout of voters in history by a decent margin. This has more to do with the former president than anything else. Haley would beat Biden.

 

[Federberg]

I think Trump against Biden leads to another four years of Biden--and it will be the largest turnout of voters in history by a decent margin. This has more to do with the former president than anything else. Haley would beat Biden.

exactly the point I've repeatedly made. I've come to the conclusion that it's a necessary defeat for the GOP to reset itself

 

[Moxie]

I think Trump against Biden leads to another four years of Biden--and it will be the largest turnout of voters in history by a decent margin. This has more to do with the former president than anything else. Haley would beat Biden.

The 2020 Election had the highest voter turnout in the 21st C., 66.8%, which is really high for the US. And Trump was more popular then. Personally, I suspect that turnout will be lower, given disaffection with both presumptive nominees. But the last one had more to do with Trump than anything else, and this one will, most likely, too. Every election since 2016, IMO, has been some version of a refutation/affirmation of Trumpism.

I do agree with you that if somehow Nikki Haley became the nominee, she'd beat Biden. She believes it and is beating that drum pretty hard.

exactly the point I've repeatedly made. I've come to the conclusion that it's a necessary defeat for the GOP to reset itself

I think you could be right that the GOP would finally "reset" itself after a Trump defeat this year. He won't run again, and maybe, finally, the party finds its center and soul in a Trump-less environment?

 

[Moxie]

As for Biden? Not my first choice. I can think of a number of US politicians who would be preferable both in terms of policy and age.

I'm curious to know, all things being equal and not the bizarre times we live in, who you would like to have seen the Democrats put forward?

 

[Federberg]

I'm curious to know, all things being equal and not the bizarre times we live in, who you would like to have seen the Democrats put forward?

Whitmer

 

[Moxie]

Whitmer

I thought you said you had a number of them. Whitmer has been mentioned. Not Beto O'Rourke? Corey Booker? Gavin Newsom? I know how you stand on the Vice President.

 

[Federberg]

I thought you said you had a number of them. Whitmer has been mentioned. Not Beto O'Rourke? Corey Booker? Gavin Newsom? I know how you stand on the Vice President.

Sorry I thought you wanted to know my favourite. I think Newsom is going to be strong too

 

[tented]

Sorry I thought you wanted to know my favourite. I think Newsom is going to be strong too

Whitmer would be a much better candidate. The last thing the Dems should push is another coastal politician. With Newsom, it would be incessant talk of what a shit show San Francisco has become.

 

[Front242]

 

[Federberg]

Whitmer would be a much better candidate. The last thing the Dems should push is another coastal politician. With Newsom, it would be incessant talk of what a shit show San Francisco has become.

Exactly! To be honest I only mentioned Newsom because I think he's likely to be a very effective campaigner. Not so sure about some of those California policies. Lord help us if he took them nationwide.

 

[Moxie]

Fox News is freaking out about the possibility that Taylor Swift may endorse Joe Biden. Their pre-emptive solution is to create a conspiracy theory. Something to do with her being an operative for the CIA, and her relationship with the NFL player being an elaborate scheme to increase her popularity (as if she needed that.) That the KC Chiefs getting in the Super Bowl is part of a Democratic plot to boost this exposure. (I heard a comedian say today that proof that it can't be a Democratic plot is that it worked! LOL.) Oh, and Trump is insisting that he's more popular than Taylor Swift.

 

[shawnbm]

^ Trump is being foolish playing into this baloney that idiots are circulating in the hopes of supporting Pres. Trump winning over Pres. Biden later this year. This is the kind of stuff they can ruin the election for the former Pres. I do not know where people come up with this insanity, but that is what it is.

 

[Federberg]

That South Carolina Democratic primary reinforces my thinking. Beware the polls! Biden got 96% of the vote! Black voters over-represented as a percentage of the vote. All that stuff about the bleeding away of minorities from Biden. Wait until the real voting starts. I'm telling you... as things stand I think Biden is going to absolutely crush Trump. It's not going to be close folks

 

[Federberg]

 

[Moxie]

SCOTUS will hear the case of Trump being on the Colorado ballot on Thursday. I believe you and I have a small side-bet on that. I don't usually find myself on the cynical side of an argument, and I hope you win. I'll buy you a beer...or a cigar. But the woman in this video is thinking Trump will win this one, and be on the ballot in all 50 states. She does call it "cynical" to think so.

As to the finding on Presidential immunity, I'm not shocked, but pleased. Any finding that the President is above-the-law would be problematic, but they also judged that the actions were outside of his presidential duties.

 

[tented]

SCOTUS will hear the case of Trump being on the Colorado ballot on Thursday. I believe you and I have a small side-bet on that. I don't usually find myself on the cynical side of an argument, and I hope you win. I'll buy you a beer...or a cigar. But the woman in this video is thinking Trump will win this one, and be on the ballot in all 50 states. She does call it "cynical" to think so.

I hope he is on the ballot in all 50 states. He and his supporters need to see him get soundly defeated with no asterisks. No “what ifs” had he been on all state’s ballots.

 

[Federberg]

SCOTUS will hear the case of Trump being on the Colorado ballot on Thursday. I believe you and I have a small side-bet on that. I don't usually find myself on the cynical side of an argument, and I hope you win. I'll buy you a beer...or a cigar. But the woman in this video is thinking Trump will win this one, and be on the ballot in all 50 states. She does call it "cynical" to think so.

As to the finding on Presidential immunity, I'm not shocked, but pleased. Any finding that the President is above-the-law would be problematic, but they also judged that the actions were outside of his presidential duties.

I don't think we're on different sides of this. As I said before it's likely to go the way you think. My point was that there's an outside chance that these guys will do their job and also realise that doing the right thing would be of immediate benefit to them. Disqualifying Trump cedes the race to Haley, and Haley has a good chance to beat Biden. I'll repeat my point again.. if they do the right thing the GOP has a much better chance to win, why would that not incentivise them to be righteous

Not sure why that's complicated. Doesn't mean I think they'll do the right thing. It's simply pointing out the hidden benefit to them. But they would need to remove their Trump-deranged syndrome

 

[Federberg]

I hope he is on the ballot in all 50 states. He and his supporters need to see him get soundly defeated with no asterisks. No “what ifs” had he been on all state’s ballots.

co-signed!

 

[Moxie]

I don't think we're on different sides of this. As I said before it's likely to go the way you think. My point was that there's an outside chance that these guys will do their job and also realise that doing the right thing would be of immediate benefit to them. Disqualifying Trump cedes the race to Haley, and Haley has a good chance to beat Biden. I'll repeat my point again.. if they do the right thing the GOP has a much better chance to win, why would that not incentivise them to be righteous

Not sure why that's complicated. Doesn't mean I think they'll do the right thing. It's simply pointing out the hidden benefit to them. But they would need to remove their Trump-deranged syndrome

I totally understand your position. It was a lighthearted comment. We do agree. I also agree with Tented that it's best that Trump should be on the ballot and get beaten, politically. Legally and morally, the right thing to do is for the Supremes to hold up the Constitution.

 

[shawnbm]

Don't underestimate what SCOTUS might do here. It is a chance to make a monumental decision with far-reaching effects reverberating through history.