US Politics Thread

[Federberg]

Here's what I mean in terms of share of the vote... And by the way it's why I think Trump cannot win. I don't think that given everything that's happened since he last lost there's any evidence that he's been able to increase his share of the vote. This whole thing will be down to the economy and the effectiveness of his campaign. If Biden even makes his own par level (50%+), Trump is toast...

2008:
Obama 52.9%
McCain 45.7%

2012:
Obama 50.9%
Romney 47.1%

2016:
Trump 46%
Clinton 48.1%

2020:
Trump 46.9%
Biden 51.3%

 

[Kieran]

do you think they are? I'm not so sure. That's more of a media thing that they're willing to stand on the sidelines and applaud. The only way anyone believes this is a Democratic Party thing is if they believe that the DoJ is under political direction. I don't think it is. We can't have our cake and eat it. Hunter Biden remember? And let's remember that Hunter is accused of using his father's name to make a few million dollars. If the Dems wanted to retaliate why don't they investigate the $6bn that Jared Kushner was able to get from the Middle East? I guarantee that if the shoe was on the other foot there would be no bigger political scandal. Dems are vegans in a carnivorous political world...

Oh brother, they’re cannibals and carnivores. We know this from the way they destroy peoples lives. And the way they eat each other. And the way they support murderous riots and activists. I agree with you on Hunter Biden, though I think it was election interference from leftist media to block the news of the laptop during the previous election. I think Hunter Biden is dodgy as shit. I’m also of the opinion that Jared Kushner is his twin. I have as little regard for the Biden’s as I do for the Trumps.

even in that Trumps percentage of the voters was well below 50%, while Obama's was comfortably above. There's no comparison, and the overall numbers are a function of demographics and high voter interest during the covid pandemic and Trump-mania. What I'm trying to say is that if anything the fact that over 80m made the effort to vote an incumbent out is by far the more pertinent issue

74m voters is a considerable number of voters. No matter which way we want to look at it.

But remember, this question isn’t being asked by a conservative or a Republican. It’s directed by a liberal at the types of Democrat voters who don’t ask questions about themselves. Its point is that he feels the Democrats are not trying to understand the impulse in so many tens of millions of Americans who will vote Trump. They write them off routinely as bigots - in other words, why aren’t they seeing what concerns these fellow citizens about where America is going and why they don’t trust the Democrats.

As for the west and its leftward trends, I think a lot of the west ideas have been propelled by the American left. Ideas on race, gender, objective fact versus subjective wishful. The imitation factor is huge. We even have in Ireland a Black History Month, which is a wannabe fad if there ever was one. Blacks people make up less than 1.5% of the population. I can’t blame America for that, people are free to decide to what they believe, but we see the same coarsening rush to the bottom of political life, the same intrusive examples of moronic, loud activists in everything. The influence of America in western politics is dire..

 

[tented]

Quite apart from that, no matter what the polls have shown Democrats keep winning. That tells us something... and please remember the mid-terms... there is a serious bias in the polling against Democrats. Remember in the mid-terms we all expected a red wave. It was far from that. The polls are showing slight Trump leads in swing states, but that assumes the polls are accurate. There is simply no evidence over the last few years. If anything whenever I see polls at the moment, I quietly add 3 - 4% for the Dem side. That seems to be the rough difference between polling and reality. If that's the case Biden will win going away.

Exactly. Polls mean almost nothing. They’re conducted by contacting people through their landline phones. That’s an important aspect, which tells you who they are and are not able to reach. Through this method, they’re getting people in at least their 40s and up. People younger than that use cellphones. I know many people below 40 who don’t even have a landline. (I tried to get rid of mine a few years ago, but had to keep it because it’s tied into my security system.) In short, there are huge gaps in who participates in polling these days, which is why we’ve had outcomes sometimes significantly different to what was expected. As a result, I barely pay attention to them anymore.

Listen... I agree with you that Dems should do better on major issues. But so should the GOP on other issues. I'm a die hard conservative. If I was an American voter, I would vote for Biden to protect democracy. Purely because if he wins, I know we still get to have future elections, where any silly Democratic Party policy errors can be corrected. If Trump wins I'm not sure it'll be so easy to fix things in future...

Bingo! Even though there are a number of issues I disagree with the left (particularly the far left) on, all of that is meaningless when Trump is in the equation. Anyone who votes for Trump is a fool, who isn’t paying attention.

Has anyone heard of Project 2025? Here’s the summary on Wikipedia:

“Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal governmentin the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C., to replace existing federal civil service workers it characterizes as the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president. Although participants in the project cannot promote a specific presidential candidate, many have close ties to Donald Trump and the Trump 2024 presidential campaign. The plan would perform a swift takeover of the entire executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power over the executive branch — upon inauguration.”

It’s that final sentence which is most troubling, especially how it would relate to Trump (vs. any other Republican president).

While this may seem like fake news, it is backed by several key organizations and people:

”The development of the plan is led by the Heritage Foundation, an American conservative think tank, in collaboration with some eighty partners including Turning Point USA led by Charlie Kirk; the Conservative Partnership Instituteincluding former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows as senior partner; the Center for Renewing America led by former Trump-appointee Office of Management and Budget director Russell Vought; and America First Legal led by former Trump senior advisor Stephen Miller.”

Then there’s this part:

”The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, and eliminating the cabinet departments of education and commerce. Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.”

If that doesn’t scream Nazism, then I don’t know what does. If Trump is given the ability to significantly defund the DOJ and instruct the sycophants who are left to go after his enemies, have no doubt he will exercise this to the fullest possible degree. Anyone who disagrees with him, criticizes him, or anything else he doesn’t like, will be prosecuted. This will be a long list.

Keep in mind this is the guy whose ego is so fragile he refused to attend the White House Correspondents dinners and wanted to shut down SNL because of parodies they did of him — something SNL has done with every President since it began in 1975. No other President had such a reaction. You can extrapolate from this what Trump would do to any other media or entertainment organization which criticizes him. Some will say “He won’t do these things! It’s just hyperbole!” No, it’s not. He’s both stupid and a narcissist — a lethal combination. The bigger problem with all of this will be the people behind the scenes who know how easy it is to manipulate him. While he goes after SNL, MSNBC, CNN, the NYT, the other people will be doing the true dirty work, as outlined above.

You make an excellent point that although there are policies and actions which the Left have done which are problematic, they can be handled under a President who isn’t interested in establishing a dictatorship, like the people he admires so much: Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Xi Jinping.

I didn’t agree with George W. Bush on many issues, but I never had to worry he wanted to establish an autocracy. He didn’t aspire to become a dictator. I wouldn’t have to worry about this if, say, Haley or DeSantis were president. But not Trump. Not Trump.

 

[Kieran]

Exactly. Polls mean almost nothing. They’re conducted by contacting people through their landline phones. That’s an important aspect, which tells you who they are and are not able to reach. Through this method, they’re getting people in at least their 40s and up. People younger than that use cellphones. I know many people below 40 who don’t even have a landline. (I tried to get rid of mine a few years ago, but had to keep it because it’s tied into my security system.) In short, there are huge gaps in who participates in polling these days, which is why we’ve had outcomes sometimes significantly different to what was expected. As a result, I barely pay attention to them anymore.



Bingo! Even though there are a number of issues I disagree with the left (particularly the far left) on, all of that is meaningless when Trump is in the equation. Anyone who votes for Trump is a fool, who isn’t paying attention.

Has anyone heard of Project 2025? Here’s the summary on Wikipedia:

“Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal governmentin the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C., to replace existing federal civil service workers it characterizes as the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president. Although participants in the project cannot promote a specific presidential candidate, many have close ties to Donald Trump and the Trump 2024 presidential campaign. The plan would perform a swift takeover of the entire executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power over the executive branch — upon inauguration.”

It’s that final sentence which is most troubling, especially how it would relate to Trump (vs. any other Republican president).

While this may seem like fake news, it is backed by several key organizations and people:

”The development of the plan is led by the Heritage Foundation, an American conservative think tank, in collaboration with some eighty partners including Turning Point USA led by Charlie Kirk; the Conservative Partnership Instituteincluding former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows as senior partner; the Center for Renewing America led by former Trump-appointee Office of Management and Budget director Russell Vought; and America First Legal led by former Trump senior advisor Stephen Miller.”

Then there’s this part:

”The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, and eliminating the cabinet departments of education and commerce. Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.”

If that doesn’t scream Nazism, then I don’t know what does. If Trump is given the ability to significantly defund the DOJ and instruct the sycophants who are left to go after his enemies, have no doubt he will exercise this to the fullest possible degree. Anyone who disagrees with him, criticizes him, or anything else he doesn’t like, will be prosecuted. This will be a long list.

Keep in mind this is the guy whose ego is so fragile he refused to attend the White House Correspondents dinners and wanted to shut down SNL because of parodies they did of him — something SNL has done with every President since it began in 1975. No other President had such a reaction. You can extrapolate from this what Trump would do to any other media or entertainment organization which criticizes him. Some will say “He won’t do these things! It’s just hyperbole!” No, it’s not. He’s both stupid and a narcissist — a lethal combination. The bigger problem with all of this will be the people behind the scenes who know how easy it is to manipulate him. While he goes after SNL, MSNBC, CNN, the NYT, the other people will be doing the true dirty work, as outlined above.

You make an excellent point that although there are policies and actions which the Left have done which are problematic, they can be handled under a President who isn’t interested in establishing a dictatorship, like the people he admires so much: Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Xi Jinping.

I didn’t agree with George W. Bush on many issues, but I never had to worry he wanted to establish an autocracy. He didn’t aspire to become a dictator. I wouldn’t have to worry about this if, say, Haley or DeSantis were president. But not Trump. Not Trump.

That’s a great post, brother, and I agree that Trump is not a good idea. That’s why the question he asks is so interesting. He’s not selling Trump, it’s got nothing to do with a Trump as a candidate, it’s more about how democrats don’t seem to realise why tens of millions will vote for him.

If they don’t know why he appeals to so many, they won’t know if they’re doing something wrong. Their lack of self reflection is the point of the question..

 

[Moxie]

Yup. Haley could well win in New Hampshire but it'll probably alienate core GOP voters as NH seems to be a bit maverick in GOP primaries. Winning there isn't necessarily a good thing. I think losing in South Carolina will probably do for her. Her only hope is for her to be the only alternative to Trump. 1 v 1 sets up a fairly clean choice for GOP voters. If it becomes clear that she has a better chance against Biden than Trump then non-Trump-deranged voters might make the rational choice. Not holding out too much hope for that though.

I don't see why you think that a win in NH could have a down-side for Haley. Sure, a NH Republican is a generally a different model of Republican, but they get a lot of "street cred" out there for living their libertarian motto. Sure, they're up here in the NE, but don't confuse the way the rest of the country feels towards NY, say, with how they feel about NH, or Maine, which is also pretty "purple." Sure, it might piss off/upset the Trump base, but they're not voting for Haley, anyway, unless she becomes the nominee, when they will vote for her over Biden, or stay home.

If she can win in NH, she will be seen as a potentially viable alternative to Trump, and a big reason will be, as I mentioned above, that NH has an open-primary, and independents (of which NH has many) can vote in it. Therefore, it will much more mirror a general election potential than in states with closed primaries. (Only 17 states have open Republican primaries, and most of those are heavily Republican, anyway.) This addresses the 2nd part of you post, as to IF she can make it clear that she's got a decent shot, and she has a better chance at beating Biden in the general. She is already hitting that point hard on the campaign trail.

To be clear, I don't think she's winning the nomination. But I do think a win in NH could signal to Republican voters that there could be a better option in the general election for the GOP, and it might help her. She'd likely get an injection of $$ from the non-Trump GOP bigwigs, too.

BTW, did you see that she refuses another debate unless Trump participates, or if it's with Biden? She's right to do that. No one cares what else she and DeSantis have to say "at" each other.

 

[Moxie]

the thing that popped up into my mind reading this was... 'just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't against you!'

The fact that this fellow is trying to make CRT and DEI wedge issues doesn't excuse us from objectively looking at both of those things. They are both toxic and awful. I have no doubt that in another life time before they became highly politicised and weren't elements of the culture war, someone like you might have been able to see the negatives. But that's not where we are now.

I'm glad I have a different mentality. Remember when Trump was campaigning in 2016? As much as I loathed him, and @britbox and I went round and round (because I loathed Trump and he loathed HRC), I always had sympathies regarding Trump's stance on China, and also immigration. I would just ask you to detach yourself from the politics and ask yourself if you're really willing to dive 100% into some of these insane policies from progressives. They're not good @Moxie, think through what the ultimate endgames of these things, and surely you can see it's not good for society, for humanity.

Yes I don't approve of this guy, I have no doubt he's not doing for the greater good, but for rather basic political motives. That doesn't mean he's wrong...

CRT was lifted out of academia, and treated as if it were pervasive in all school teaching. I know you and Kieran like to congratulate yourselves for your "open-mindedness," while criticizing me for my lack thereof, (as if you know,) but I do see you both writing in the language created by folks like Rufo, and getting worked up about some of the wedge issues they've created in the version they are spouting. Many things are interesting to examine, and keep exploring, like Affirmative Action, which has been around for decades and always needs reexamination. But those things, like trans-fears, are not what I considered the biggest problems my country faces. They are manufactured and pumped with steroids to whip up the base. That part I refuse to participate in.

 

[Front242]

The far right in the US have been pushing this notion since before the election, so it seems clear what you choose to read and watch. Biden had a childhood speech impediment, as you must know by now. Gerald Ford used to fall down all the time...which was a running joke on SNL.

To plenty of people, having a world leader like Trump was a "joke," until it wasn't funny anymore. Refuting the election results, with no evidence, and fomenting insurrection to block the certification of the election is banana republic stuff. By any standard, Biden is a far better President.

So then, you DO think the US Justice system is a complete sham, and a tool of the party in power.

I'd like to see a source for Biden leaking US plans to invade Iran.

It's a pretty damned good reason.

Never got the time to reply to this but honestly if you think Biden is a far better president I feel sorry for you unless you support innocent people getting blown to bits which is exactly what being a supporter of that old clown Biden entails. Thousands of women and children blown to bits in Gaza with no end in sight and pointless deaths over a proxy war in Ukraine. A peace deal was on the cards but Biden told his puppet Boris Johnson to fly over and tell that little weasel Zelenskyy not to sign it. Neither of these would ever have happened with Trump in power. Trump is also a clown but he's not a warmongering pos. That's a massive plus. Biden has destroyed not only the US economy but the European economy also. Together with Boris Johnson for getting Ukraine to back down from their peace deal with Russia and Ursula Von Der Always Lying, they have destroyed the cost of living. Biden is clearly an amazing guy.

Please about the speech impediment. He's getting progressively worse with gaffes, it's called old age and cognitive decline. Jan 6th was never an insurrection. This is just nonsense MSM talk about an occasion that looks more and more FBI orchestrated. Try Googling the word insurrection and telling yourself that's what this was.

This idiot is an embarrassment and not fit to be president of anything except possibly a knitting club at a nursing home.



It was never much of a choice between 2 old men, one in obviously severe cognitive decline who's a scumbag warmonger and always has been (PS: not much of a speech impediment there or on any old footage of him. It's clearly age related how he is now) and a lewd, crude, dude who paints his face orange but the orange man doesn't destroy human life over pointless avoidable wars/conflicts and the resultant cost of living. If Biden stays in, China v US war by 2025 as predicted by Nostradamus and others is likely. The US just love wars and the rest of the world suffers. Bombing Yemen now with the UK. They're edging us closer and closer to WW3 with every day that passes.

 

[Moxie]

This is a good question. And the answer isn’t simply, they’re all inbred racists. Why do Democrats not self-reflect, and ask themselves why they’re actually a bigger problem for a millions of people? The sanctuary state fiasco is an example of why…

It's not a good question. It's framed with two fallacious assumptions: 1) that the Democratic party is "relying heavily on J6" for its reelection campaign, and 2) that there is no examination or self-reflection as to why Trump is still popular. And your response is likewise superficial. You love your working class hero tropes, that the Dems are nothing but a bunch of elites out to get them, and that Dems, most particularly, can't look into their own souls. The fights we are fighting are much the same, except for the injection of Trumpism. The Democrats will run a campaign on legislative successes and the health of the economy, which they have on their side. Yes, there is a fight for democracy, should we get Trump again, as the nominee, and he's told us why. A lot of Republicans, especially those in power, could do well to look within their own souls. But, believe me, everyone in the US is well-aware that Trump's support is far from only amongst the rural, uneducated, racists with a chip on their shoulders. It's just that he shares a lot in common with them.

 

[Moxie]

Exactly. Polls mean almost nothing. They’re conducted by contacting people through their landline phones. That’s an important aspect, which tells you who they are and are not able to reach. Through this method, they’re getting people in at least their 40s and up. People younger than that use cellphones. I know many people below 40 who don’t even have a landline. (I tried to get rid of mine a few years ago, but had to keep it because it’s tied into my security system.) In short, there are huge gaps in who participates in polling these days, which is why we’ve had outcomes sometimes significantly different to what was expected. As a result, I barely pay attention to them anymore.

I agree that polls mean nothing...they've been proven wrong over the last several cycles. While the landline only thing is old news, and efforts are being made to correct it. (I get polls now mostly via text.) That still doesn't mean they're reaching younger voters, who have no history with political polls and are unlikely to respond. But a misperception, I think, is that the younger voters are uninterested. There is a lot of mobilization of the youth vote, and I heard some spokesperson for them on the radio this morning, (sorry, didn't take note of his name or group,) but he says that young people don't respond to polls, but they are very mobilized and interested, particularly around abortion and climate change. He also said they're very anti-Trump.

Bingo! Even though there are a number of issues I disagree with the left (particularly the far left) on, all of that is meaningless when Trump is in the equation. Anyone who votes for Trump is a fool, who isn’t paying attention.

Has anyone heard of Project 2025? Here’s the summary on Wikipedia:

“Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal governmentin the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C., to replace existing federal civil service workers it characterizes as the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president. Although participants in the project cannot promote a specific presidential candidate, many have close ties to Donald Trump and the Trump 2024 presidential campaign. The plan would perform a swift takeover of the entire executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power over the executive branch — upon inauguration.”

It’s that final sentence which is most troubling, especially how it would relate to Trump (vs. any other Republican president).

While this may seem like fake news, it is backed by several key organizations and people:

”The development of the plan is led by the Heritage Foundation, an American conservative think tank, in collaboration with some eighty partners including Turning Point USA led by Charlie Kirk; the Conservative Partnership Instituteincluding former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows as senior partner; the Center for Renewing America led by former Trump-appointee Office of Management and Budget director Russell Vought; and America First Legal led by former Trump senior advisor Stephen Miller.”

Then there’s this part:

”The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, and eliminating the cabinet departments of education and commerce. Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.”

If that doesn’t scream Nazism, then I don’t know what does. If Trump is given the ability to significantly defund the DOJ and instruct the sycophants who are left to go after his enemies, have no doubt he will exercise this to the fullest possible degree. Anyone who disagrees with him, criticizes him, or anything else he doesn’t like, will be prosecuted. This will be a long list.

Keep in mind this is the guy whose ego is so fragile he refused to attend the White House Correspondents dinners and wanted to shut down SNL because of parodies they did of him — something SNL has done with every President since it began in 1975. No other President had such a reaction. You can extrapolate from this what Trump would do to any other media or entertainment organization which criticizes him. Some will say “He won’t do these things! It’s just hyperbole!” No, it’s not. He’s both stupid and a narcissist — a lethal combination. The bigger problem with all of this will be the people behind the scenes who know how easy it is to manipulate him. While he goes after SNL, MSNBC, CNN, the NYT, the other people will be doing the true dirty work, as outlined above.

This is completely frightening, and believable.

You make an excellent point that although there are policies and actions which the Left have done which are problematic, they can be handled under a President who isn’t interested in establishing a dictatorship, like the people he admires so much: Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Xi Jinping.

I didn’t agree with George W. Bush on many issues, but I never had to worry he wanted to establish an autocracy. He didn’t aspire to become a dictator. I wouldn’t have to worry about this if, say, Haley or DeSantis were president. But not Trump. Not Trump.

This is a great point. While I've always voted, and cared about my vote, I did believe that the US system could survive whichever party came into power, and that alternate views could still be heard. I don't believe that now, and I am completely fearful of a 2nd Trump presidency. Even more so now reading your above. It's a sad statement that much of the world is looking for strongmen, rather than trusting the ideals of democracy, for all of its messiness. It's laziness. If what you most want is for your "trains to run on time," and to protect your perception of the sacrosanctity of your race/religious purity, and to just have some "Daddy" to tell you what to do, heaven help us.

 

[Moxie]

Never got the time to reply to this but honestly if you think Biden is a far better president I feel sorry for you unless you support innocent people getting blown to bits which is exactly what being a supporter of that old clown Biden entails. Thousands of women and children blown to bits in Gaza with no end in sight and pointless deaths over a proxy war in Ukraine. A peace deal was on the cards but Biden told his puppet Boris Johnson to fly over and tell that little weasel Zelenskyy not to sign it. Neither of these would ever have happened with Trump in power. Trump is also a clown but he's not a warmongering pos. That's a massive plus. Biden has destroyed not only the US economy but the European economy also. Together with Boris Johnson for getting Ukraine to back down from their peace deal with Russia and Ursula Von Der Always Lying, they have destroyed the cost of living. Biden is clearly an amazing guy.

Please about the speech impediment. He's getting progressively worse with gaffes, it's called old age and cognitive decline. Jan 6th was never an insurrection. This is just nonsense MSM talk about an occasion that looks more and more FBI orchestrated. Try Googling the word insurrection and telling yourself that's what this was.

This idiot is an embarrassment and not fit to be president of anything except possibly a knitting club at a nursing home.



It was never much of a choice between 2 old men, one in obviously severe cognitive decline who's a scumbag warmonger and always has been (PS: not much of a speech impediment there or on any old footage of him. It's clearly age related how he is now) and a lewd, crude, dude who paints his face orange but the orange man doesn't destroy human life over pointless avoidable wars/conflicts and the resultant the cost of living. If Biden stays in, China v US war by 2025 as predicted by Nostradamus and others is likely. The US just love wars and the rest of the world suffers. Bombing Yemen now with the UK. They're edging us closer and closer to WW3 with every day that passes.

The comment was a joke. Watch the full clip and read the transcript. Stop buying everything you read on social media, wholesale.

 

[Front242]

The comment was a joke. Watch the full clip and read the transcript. Stop buying everything you read on social media, wholesale.

I would hope the last 3+ years have taught people that when they feel the need to "fact check" stuff it's 'cos it was true but going against the narrative so they give you the version of what they want you to believe...

The fact check is likely AI but you don't think he's even got cognitive decline and that it's perfectly fine to be falling everywhere while looking completely lost so I'm wasting my time here.

 

[Moxie]

I would hope the last 3+ years have taught people that when they feel the need to "fact check" stuff it's 'cos it was true but going against the narrative so they give you the version of what they want you to believe...

The fact check is likely AI but you don't think he's even got cognitive decline and that it's perfectly fine to be falling everywhere while looking completely lost so I'm wasting my time here.

I'm sorry but your post makes no sense. Yes, we should all "fact check." Hilarious that you're willing to believe that the fact check is AI, but not that the video that you posted was strategically edited. Note, most of it is in a wide shot, and anything could have been parroted into Biden's mouth. Yet, when someone gives you the next sentence after, in the same video, with the transcript, suddenly you question it. You've decided that Biden is in decline, and no amount of evidence will change your mind.

 

[Front242]

I'm sorry but your post makes no sense. Yes, we should all "fact check." Hilarious that you're willing to believe that the fact check is AI, but not that the video that you posted was strategically edited. Note, most of it is in a wide shot, and anything could have been parroted into Biden's mouth. Yet, when someone gives you the next sentence after, in the same video, with the transcript, suddenly you question it. You've decided that Biden is in decline, and no amount of evidence will change your mind.

The evidence is exactly why I won't change my mind. Every time he speaks, some rubbish comes out. I'd say the overwhelming majority globally will agree he's in serious decline and not fit to be president of anything or anywhere.

 

[Moxie]

The evidence is exactly why I won't change my mind. Every time he speaks, some rubbish comes out. I'd say the overwhelming majority globally will agree he's in serious decline and not fit to be president of anything or anywhere.

Yeah, but you also believe misleading videos without checking them.

 

[Front242]

Yeah, but you also believe misleading videos without checking them.

I saw the full video before and to me it's obvious either he was aware he fucked up when Modi looked at him and corrected himself with all kidding aside OR that follow on part is AI of his camp trying to save face.

I can post every single embarrassing video of him here if you want but you'll defend them all. Will take till 2097 though.

 

[Kieran]

It's not a good question. It's framed with two fallacious assumptions: 1) that the Democratic party is "relying heavily on J6" for its reelection campaign, and 2) that there is no examination or self-reflection as to why Trump is still popular. And your response is likewise superficial. You love your working class hero tropes, that the Dems are nothing but a bunch of elites out to get them, and that Dems, most particularly, can't look into their own souls. The fights we are fighting are much the same, except for the injection of Trumpism. The Democrats will run a campaign on legislative successes and the health of the economy, which they have on their side. Yes, there is a fight for democracy, should we get Trump again, as the nominee, and he's told us why. A lot of Republicans, especially those in power, could do well to look within their own souls. But, believe me, everyone in the US is well-aware that Trump's support is far from only amongst the rural, uneducated, racists with a chip on their shoulders. It's just that he shares a lot in common with them.

See, you didn’t answer the question. It’s funny that, isn’t it? Where’s the self reflection you mentioned? “The Democrats will run a campaign based on…” has nothing to do with the question. Defending Democrats by saying what you think I think - that “the Dems are a bunch of elites” - then confirming why people think “Dems are a bunch of elites” - by saying some Trumpists are “rural uneducated, racists”, is still not answering the question. It’s boringly generic. You think Trump supporters are racist. How predictable. There's enough of that to go around, so where does that leave the question?

It’s okay, you can please the fifth - again - and not ask yourself, “why is it despite our “legislative successes and the health of the economy, will tens of millions of my fellow Americans will still vote for Trump?”

Why is that? Is it that because among your educated elites you still have uneducated racists? Is it that there are people who see that all the institutions have been co-opted and ruined by radicals and that democracy is under threat - from your side? What does your self reflection on the question lead you to think on why these people would reject your party? The question isn’t why you’re voting democrat - you voted that way anyway when Trump was among you doling out coin to happy Clintons and whoever else was glad to receive it.

 

[Federberg]

I don't see why you think that a win in NH could have a down-side for Haley. Sure, a NH Republican is a generally a different model of Republican, but they get a lot of "street cred" out there for living their libertarian motto.

McCain won the New Hampshire primary against Bush. All it did was seal his brand as a maverick and not a conventional Republican candidate. It worked against him, and the same could happen to Haley in an era where it's not so much about being a Republican and more about being pro-Trump.

As for the rest...

BTW, did you see that she refuses another debate unless Trump participates, or if it's with Biden? She's right to do that.

no she's NOT right to do that. If DeSantis goes away and it's just her and Trump left, she would be as politically stupid as the average Dem politician. I guarantee you Pelosi would insist on a debate and stand there by herself if it came to that. Then she would say here I stand but Trump is too afraid to face a woman in public. It's not about being right or being moral. It's about winning. Beating a school yard bully by embarrassing him in public. It's so simple it blows my mind that some folks don't get the game

 

[Moxie]

McCain won the New Hampshire primary against Bush. All it did was seal his brand as a maverick and not a conventional Republican candidate. It worked against him, and the same could happen to Haley in an era where it's not so much about being a Republican and more about being pro-Trump.

As for the rest...


no she's NOT right to do that. If DeSantis goes away and it's just her and Trump left, she would be as politically stupid as the average Dem politician. I guarantee you Pelosi would insist on a debate and stand there by herself if it came to that. Then she would say here I stand but Trump is too afraid to face a woman in public. It's not about being right or being moral. It's about winning. Beating a school yard bully by embarrassing him in public. It's so simple it blows my mind that some folks don't get the game

You misunderstand. That's not what she said. She said she's not not doing another Republican debate without Trump, meaning not just her and DeSantis. That's the point. That's what she's right to do. She's said nothing about going forward when DeSantis drops out.

 

[Moxie]

McCain won the New Hampshire primary against Bush. All it did was seal his brand as a maverick and not a conventional Republican candidate. It worked against him, and the same could happen to Haley in an era where it's not so much about being a Republican and more about being pro-Trump.

I don't think that's comparable. McCain branded himself a maverick, and he was, that that time, especially compare to where the Republican party was going/has gone. Bush was much more "on brand" and therefore had the support of the larger GOP machine. IMO, they thought he'd be more malleable, as a president, and he was.

 

[Moxie]

See, you didn’t answer the question. It’s funny that, isn’t it? Where’s the self reflection you mentioned? “The Democrats will run a campaign based on…” has nothing to do with the question. Defending Democrats by saying what you think I think - that “the Dems are a bunch of elites” - then confirming why people think “Dems are a bunch of elites” - by saying some Trumpists are “rural uneducated, racists”, is still not answering the question. It’s boringly generic. You think Trump supporters are racist. How predictable. There's enough of that to go around, so where does that leave the question?

It’s okay, you can please the fifth - again - and not ask yourself, “why is it despite our “legislative successes and the health of the economy, will tens of millions of my fellow Americans will still vote for Trump?”

Why is that? Is it that because among your educated elites you still have uneducated racists? Is it that there are people who see that all the institutions have been co-opted and ruined by radicals and that democracy is under threat - from your side? What does your self reflection on the question lead you to think on why these people would reject your party? The question isn’t why you’re voting democrat - you voted that way anyway when Trump was among you doling out coin to happy Clintons and whoever else was glad to receive it.

I didn't promise to answer it, because, as I said, it's not a good question, it was a set-up, just like your response here. Kieran, there is no answer that I can give you that will make you happy, unless it parrots what you said, and what you have been saying is wrong with the Democrats. Nothing short of a confession of guilt from your catechism is going to satisfy you, so I will pass, thank you. As for "uneducated racists," I was paraphrasing you, dummy! You said "inbred racists" in your previous. I was trying to be a little funny.

As Federberg said above, and you agreed with, this is at least as much a question for Republicans as it is for Democrats. Much more so, I would say. Trump, when he switched to being a Republican, was a "Republican in name only," so he redefined the party, and invented RINO for those who tried to still recognize their own party, or hang on to their values and stand up for what they still believed in. X-number of Republican will vote Republican, no matter what. Democrats neither invented Trump, no encouraged him. The soul-searching that really needs to be done is within the GOP.