US Politics Thread

[Carol]

So you have issues with Blacks accusing whites of systemic racism? Are you saying that Blacks are the Oppresser and some whites are the oppressed? Are you saying that in corporate America and the present US community environment that the opportunity are the same or Equal? Are you saying that Blacks should be quiet or silent? Are you saying that the atrocities that Blacks have historically (400 years Plus) are just the same as what the whites have? Are you saying that there's really isn't discrimination but just one group misinterpretation of what has been happening socially in America? Are you saying that violations of civil rights are being misrepresented? Are you saying that in the south "Jim Crow" laws doesn't or have never existed? Can you please clarify what your stance because it appears to be more specific than just your opinion?

I didn't mean anything that you are asking me but maybe because I can´t explain in English correctly by myself yo can't get my point. I don´t have anything against the black people, even I have some black friends which are very lovely and educated. My point is that both sides (black and white) are not perfect, both make a lot of mistakes, there are good people and bad ones, honored people and also delinquents and many of them are racists too, as simple as that

 

[the AntiPusher]

I didn't mean anything that you are asking me but maybe because I can´t explain in English correctly by myself yo can't get my point. I don´t have anything against the black people, even I have some black friends which are very lovely and educated. My point is that both sides (black and white) are not perfect, both make a lot of mistakes, there are good people and bad ones, honored people and also delinquents and many of them are racists too, as simple as that

You say that you are friends with some Blacks..I guess that's nice for them..Can you show my earlier post to them and have them translate for you.Please share your immediate feelings with them so they Can Know How you truly Feel everything is the Same.

Let me go another route or path
.You mentioned that the KKK are stupid people or organization. Is that how you feel about them or is there something else about that group that doesn't sit well with you...
One thing that you STILL avoid addressing is your YouTube videos..Do you think that you are being bias because you are only showing one view point?

 

[Carol]

You say that you are friends with some Blacks..I guess that's nice for them..Can you show my earlier post to them and have them translate for you.Please share your immediate feelings with them so they Can Know How you truly Feel everything is the Same.

Let me go another route or path
.You mentioned that the KKK are stupid people or organization. Is that how you feel about them or is there something else about that group that doesn't sit well with you...
One thing that you STILL avoid addressing is your YouTube videos..Do you think that you are being bias because you are only showing one view point?

My friends know perfectly well how I'm thinking and when I say there are another groups I'm referring to people which also are racist but they don't wear that white robe and the ridiculous cone hat. For example when I came to Florida for the first time I was surprised to see how many cubans are racists when many of them have black ancestors, incredible and they are not the only ones . Me personally consider great all the races, it doesn't matter the color, black, white, Asian, and Indians, by the way I have a friend Indian American from Kentucky who besides to be very smart also she is a wonderful person. So again, I don't think black people are living so bad, many of them have very good positions at work, many of them are polices and also politics so I disagree with all this crazy crackdown after what happened to Floyd that everybody think was a horrible crime by those polices but I think everything has gone too far

 

[the AntiPusher]

My friends know perfectly well how I'm thinking and when I say there are another groups I'm referring to people which also are racist but they don't wear that white robe and the ridiculous cone hat. For example when I came to Florida for the first time I was surprised to see how many cubans are racists when many of them have black ancestors, incredible and they are not the only ones . Me personally consider great all the races, it doesn't matter the color, black, white, Asian, and Indians, by the way I have a friend Indian American from Kentucky who besides to be very smart also she is a wonderful person. So again, I don't think black people are living so bad, many of them have very good positions at work, many of them are polices and also politics so I disagree with all this crazy crackdown after what happened to Floyd that everybody think was a horrible crime by those polices but I think everything has gone too far

So you feel that what happened to Mr Floyd was bad but its not worthy of all the protest, protesters and etc. Rayshad Brooks , are you saying that he was “WRONG “ because he resisted arrest. Are you saying it was the late Mr Brooks ‘s fault because he fell asleep. Are you saying that the late Breonna Taylor’s fault because she associated with the wrong people and she should have heard the police rushing through her apt while she was sleeping? .Are you saying that the late Mr Avery should’ve just ran on his treadmill at home? Are you saying that Tamir Rice should have stayed in his back yard and that he was too old at 12 to be playing with a toy gun in the playground?
Please tell all your black and other minorities friends that you don’t feel they are living so “bad”..

 

[Carol]

Oh God, you don't get it. I agree with the protest ALWAYS if they are pacifist but I disagree with those people which take advantage to vandalize, to steal, to burn any cars, stores, even to kill because maybe you don't know that because all those crazy protest there are more victims and like the doctors said from the beginning the way the protesters are acting the contagious are going to aggravate like is happening now in some States. Can you imagine if yu have your own business and because the pandemia you have to close and when it's ready to open after two days you see that its completely destroyed? are you agree with that? are you agree with even that you are not police you see your car on fire? are you agree with all that destruction we see in many different places?.
You know what? I'm not going to discuss any more about this because it's not worth, each one with his own

 

[the AntiPusher]

Oh God, you don't get it. I agree with the protest ALWAYS if they are pacifist but I disagree with those people which take advantage to vandalize, to steal, to burn any cars, stores, even to kill because maybe you don't know that because all those crazy protest there are more victims and like the doctors said from the beginning the way the protesters are acting the contagious are going to aggravate like is happening now in some States. Can you imagine if yu have your own business and because the pandemia you have to close and when it's ready to open after two days you see that its completely destroyed? are you agree with that? are you agree with even that you are not police you see your car on fire? are you agree with all that destruction we see in many different places?.
You know what? I'm not going to discuss any more about this because it's not worth, each one with his own

Carol..you are getting things totally confused..You are including protesting with the riotings pluts the looters..Carol..NoOne supporting the riots, destruction and looters.. However, All due respect, You don't know or have done the research to know the history of the Oppresser in America. You have taken a bias against the people who are upset but you really don't understand it. I have friends who businesses and property have gotten destroyed. This isn't about that. This is about people lives that have been snuffed out like they are hunted animals yet you have very little empathy for them or their families. Properties and businesses can be replaced but lives cannot. Have you done any investigation to see that a lot of the rioters and looters are non Black. Yes, It have been whites, Asian, Hispanic and other nationalities that have performed these horrible acts..So as I said to Britbox a few weeks ago, are you more disturbed about the riotings and burnings including the looters or the death of unarmed black men and women by Policemen? Can you answer that question?

 

[calitennis127]

The issue is a large numbers of unarmed blacks are getting executed by Policemen which is really modern day lynching.

Absolute nonsense - there were only 9 unarmed black males shot and killed by police in 2019. In a country with 40 million black people and some insanely violent urban areas, 9 is not a “large number.” And, there were more unarmed white males shot and killed by police in 2019. I have said it a million times but apparently you are too dense to process it.

This entire narrative of “unarmed black males” being gunned down by police for being black is fabricated, mythical nonsense. It has no basis in reality, with zero data to back it up.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Absolute nonsense - there were only 9 unarmed black males shot and killed by police in 2019. In a country with 40 million black people and some insanely violent urban areas, 9 is not a “large number.” And, there were more unarmed white males shot and killed by police in 2019. I have said it a million times but apparently you are too dense to process it.

This entire narrative of “unarmed black males” being gunned down by police for being black is fabricated, mythical nonsense. It has no basis in reality, with zero data to back it up.

Just explain to Us were George, Breonna, Tamir, Brooks, Brown , Avery armed? You keep bringing up stats and data to someone who is . Aahh just forget it.. you just a moronic asshole

 

[Carol]

Carol..you are getting things totally confused..You are including protesting with the riotings pluts the looters..Carol..NoOne supporting the riots, destruction and looters.. However, All due respect, You don't know or have done the research to know the history of the Oppresser in America. You have taken a bias against the people who are upset but you really don't understand it. I have friends who businesses and property have gotten destroyed. This isn't about that. This is about people lives that have been snuffed out like they are hunted animals yet you have very little empathy for them or their families. Properties and businesses can be replaced but lives cannot. Have you done any investigation to see that a lot of the rioters and looters are non Black. Yes, It have been whites, Asian, Hispanic and other nationalities that have performed these horrible acts..So as I said to Britbox a few weeks ago, are you more disturbed about the riotings and burnings including the looters or the death of unarmed black men and women by Policemen? Can you answer that question?

Have I SAID that only black people were involved in the vandalism? I SAID those manifestations have brought many bad things!!!! I'm not confused but realistic, very different. And let me tell you that many of them didn't care too much about the real problem but only to destroy what ever the can

 

[calitennis127]

Just explain to Us were George, Breonna, Tamir, Brooks, Brown , Avery armed? You keep bringing up stats and data to someone who is . Aahh just forget it.. you just a moronic asshole

Oh please, shut the fuck up. Stop acting like you personally know these people. You live in a country of 330 million, including 40 million blacks. Don’t act like they are your immediate family and you know them on a first-name basis.

This would be like me finding the names of 5 random white people killed by police and saying “tell me about Tim, Steve, Mike, Bill, and Fred. Were they armed?”

Let me ask you.....since you are apparently related to every black person in America and feel all of their pains and joys: did it warm your heart when this black child was just saved by a white cop?

How did this make you feel? Did it make you feel safe?

 

[the AntiPusher]

Have I SAID that only black people were involved in the vandalism? I SAID those manifestations have brought many bad things!!!! I'm not confused but realistic, very different. And let me tell you that many of them didn't care too much about the real problem but only to destroy what ever the can

I guess that answers my questions..you are more upset about the riots and looters not the lives of the unarmed deceased murdered by policemen.

 

[Moxie]

 

[Carol]

I guess that answers my questions..you are more upset about the riots and looters not the lives of the unarmed deceased murdered by policemen.

Don't you know that during all this mess they also have killed at least 3 or 4 polices? don't you know for sure that they were a bad polices or just they were trying to put some order? can you answer that question?.

 

[Moxie]

Don't you know that during all this mess they also have killed at least 3 or 4 polices? don't you know for sure that they were a bad polices or just they were trying to put some order? can you answer that question?.

You can engage in all of the 'Whatabout-ism" that you want, but it just deflects the conversation. Then you're just acting like Cali. Cops die in this world, white people die at the hands of police, a black kid might knock an old lady down in the street. Stores get looted. But you are missing the point at hand, and the one we're discussing: that black people, and black men in particular, die disproportionately at the hands of police for basically no reason. People like AP and me think that this is down to a fundamental, unresolved racism in our society. You can reach for empathy, or you can keep making excuses for other people. Which side are you on?

 

[the AntiPusher]

Don't you know that during all this mess they also have killed at least 3 or 4 polices? don't you know for sure that they were a bad polices or just they were trying to put some order? can you answer that question?.

What does that happen to do with unarmed blacks getting murdered by policemen... policemen get killed every day in the line of duty by whites, blacks, Hispanics , men and women in non riotings or looters..they get killed in car chases and motorcycles accidents.. Again what does that happens to do with for example a woman getting shot by the police in her mother's house when the police have the wrong house..or when a black man is sitting in his own apartment. .but a white female police officer who is off duty entered his home instead of her apt. But he is dead.. would you feel differently if it was one of your friends that got murdered in their house in Florida? For your information Carol. one of the police that you expressed concerned about here in the Bay area was killed by a white terrorist group not by protesting. Booagloo movement

Boogaloo: The movement behind recent violent attacks

abcnews.go.com

 

[the AntiPusher]

You can engage in all of the 'Whatabout-ism" that you want, but it just deflects the conversation. Then you're just acting like Cali. Cops die in this world, white people die at the hands of police, a black kid might knock an old lady down in the street. Stores get looted. But you are missing the point at hand, and the one we're discussing: that black people, and black men in particular, die disproportionately at the hands of police for basically no reason. People like AP and me think that this is down to a fundamental, unresolved racism in our society. You can reach for empathy, or you can keep making excuses for other people. Which side are you on?

Carol I suspect is a Fox news worshipper ..Carol either doesn't do any research or more conservative who feels that Blacks have it better than before.

 

[Moxie]

Carol I suspect is a Fox news worshipper ..Carol either doesn't do any research or more conservative who feels that Blacks have it better than before.

We don't know Carol's life or truth. All we can do is discuss. Maybe she hasn't thought about it that hard, because she hasn't had to. That's where we are now. Cali, on the other hand...there's nothing left to learn there. That's just all clash and insult, now. (On both sides.)

 

[the AntiPusher]

We don't know Carol's life or truth. All we can do is discuss. Maybe she hasn't thought about it that hard, because she hasn't had to. That's where we are now. Cali, on the other hand...there's nothing left to learn there. That's just all clash and insult, now. (On both sides.)

Well what we do know is that Carol has some Black friends who she considers smart and makes a decent salary..she has some American Indian friend she considers a good person..Carol words were some "Blacks do not have it so bad".. Carol has access to YouTube videos of Blacks harming white folks.. Sounds like a the same area code with some of Cali's beliefs

 

[the AntiPusher]

Oh please, shut the fuck up. Stop acting like you personally know these people. You live in a country of 330 million, including 40 million blacks. Don’t act like they are your immediate family and you know them on a first-name basis.

This would be like me finding the names of 5 random white people killed by police and saying “tell me about Tim, Steve, Mike, Bill, and Fred. Were they armed?”

Let me ask you.....since you are apparently related to every black person in America and feel all of their pains and joys: did it warm your heart when this black child was just saved by a white cop?

How did this make you feel? Did it make you feel safe?

Question:Why are you asking me how I feel? A few weeks ago you said this is an independent message board but now you are trying to get to know me ? You know who I am! Just like Michael E Dyson, just like Van Jones, just like Tamika Mallory, just like President Obama. You know who I am..The person you fears the most. I expect I will see you on TV in Oklahoma tomorrow...Not..

 

[Federberg]

I'll be fascinated to learn why Barr is trying to sack Berman at SDNY. What choice does Justice have now but to legally enforce this firing? Apparently there's precedent on Berman's side here. He was appointed by Federal judges, he can only be replaced by a Senate confirmee. There must be some explosive stuff investigation about to come into the open. So many exciting things about to happen. Trump's nieces book, SOTUS and Trump's taxes!

Statement Of U.S. Attorney Geoffrey S. Berman On Announcement By Attorney General Barr

www.justice.gov