US Politics Thread

[Federberg]

Question for all. Why is the media not making an issue of Pence and Trump being together in the same room every day. Surely they shouldn't even be in the same building at the moment? Blows my mind this hasn't become a major issue?

 

[britbox]

Question for all. Why is the media not making an issue of Pence and Trump being together in the same room every day. Surely they shouldn't even be in the same building at the moment? Blows my mind this hasn't become a major issue?

The deep state are relying on Kiefer Sutherland to step in as the designated survivor.

 

[calitennis127]

Like britbox said, you don't get to have it both ways with NY and Dems. You said there was no reason to over-react, and now you blame NYers/NY officials for still being out and about in February.

No, that wasn't my main point. My main point was to say that if you are going to criticize Trump for saying that the U.S. had the coronavirus under control in early February (which was simply a repetition of what the supposed "expert" Dr. Fauci was saying at the time), then you had better acknowledge what all the NYC officials as well as Pelosi were saying in response to the travel ban at that time. All of those Democrats were saying in early February that there was no reason to be concerned about coronavirus.

Either you think that the media and Dems jumped on it early, in order to slag Trump, or you don't.

No, it's not an either-or, and you can't make it so out of convenience for your argument. The Democratic media were clearly downplaying the coronavirus in early February in response to Trump's travel ban. But later in February as news of the virus's international spread grew, they changed their tune because they saw it as something they could attack Trump with.

And please stop citing some date in January when Trump mentioned it. That's not the same as actually doing something proactive.

What??????? He declared a PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY on January 31st, required Americans abroad to go into quarantine on military bases, and enacted a travel ban on non-citizens who had recently been to China. This was reported by the Washington Post. How is that not "proactive"? Everyone's beloved Dr. Fauci has credited the travel ban multiple times on numerous networks for preventing the United States from becoming like Italy.

It's also not the same thing as minimalizing the risk, "hoping" for things to get better, and denying the science.

Right, so repeating what Dr. Fauci told him and the media in early February is now "denying the science." Sure.

His own consultants have to correct him in real time on his prognostications, notions of random treatments that might work, and dates, like Easter, when it might all be better and we'll all be gathering in churches around the US.

Most of the United States would be absolutely fine to re-open right now. The coronavirus is significant but it's nowhere near as deadly as you are making it out to be. And the cure has been found.....it is the hydroxycholoroquine-azithromyacin combo. Multiple doctors have endorsed it and two French studies have concluded that it is effective.

Plus, there is the Hasidic Jewish doctor in NYC named Dr. Zelenko who has had a 100% success rate treating 699 coronavirus patients with that combo. The media have been covering up that story because Trump endorsed that medication and therefore they don't want it to be effective.

This doctor was already treating patients with Trump’s ‘gift from God’ drug - before FDA approval
https://forward.com/news/national/442285/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-trump-doctor/

 

[calitennis127]

Ha, ha... good try. Your original play was that the global media was so influenced by the Washington Post they were whipped up into a frenzy about the virus. In fact, you cited the BBC and Guardian as two examples.

The BBC reporting has been fairly robust all along:

Coronavirus: Death toll rises as virus spreads to every Chinese region

The death toll now stands at 170, with more than 7,700 cases confirmed in China.

www.bbc.com

Coronavirus: Whole world 'must take action', warns WHO

The World Health Organization will hold a further emergency meeting on the coronavirus on Thursday.

www.bbc.com

Coronavirus declared global health emergency by WHO

The World Health Organization calls for moves to stop the virus spreading to vulnerable countries.

www.bbc.com

China coronavirus: 'Increased likelihood' of cases in the UK

Fourteen people have now been tested for the virus in the UK, including nine awaiting results.

www.bbc.com

Just plain factual reporting... not politically driven hyperbole. In your little world, the BBC should have been calling this a hoax around then right?

You only reinforced my point by sending four articles from late January. My argument here is that Democrats in the United States changed their tune in late February when they realized that the pandemic was spreading and could be used against Trump. That's when they started whipping up the hysteria.

After Trump's travel ban of January 31st, they said the virus was not a big deal and that he was being xenophobic. A few weeks later, when they realized the threat was actually real, they changed their tune and decided on the narrative that the coronavirus was the scariest disease in world history and that Donald Trump was about to let millions die out of negligence.

So how exactly have you refuted my argument, as oppose to strengthen it? Yes, the BBC reported in January that coronavirus was spreading, especially in China. So did Fox News in the United States. That has nothing to do with the hysterical turn that the left-wing media in the United States took at the end of February.

Talking of timelines, you might want to be mindful of your own. Only just over a week ago, you were mocking and scoffing:

As of right now, there are not even 100 DEATHS in the United States from this stupid virus. Not even 100 in a country with a population near 330 million. And almost half of those deceased are people who were in a fucking nursing home in the state of Washington. If you listened to the media and stupid government officials, you would think 100,000 have died. As it is right now, NOT EVEN 100 in the United States have died.

People have been telling you to watch how this is unfolding in Europe with the exponential contagion rates and what happens when health services get overrun. Your head is so stuck so far up Trump's arse you seem unable to process it.

Right, and my point then and now is that the mortality rate is so low that the economy should not be shut down over it. Roughly 22,000 people have already died from the flu this year according to a recent CDC report, and the U.S. was not going to shut down the economy over it even though "social distancing" would work in reducing incidence of the flu.

Coronavirus Overshadows a Deadly Flu Season
The flu has killed 22,000 people so far this year and the season isn’t over.
March 20, 2020

"So far this season, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recorded 36 million flu cases in the U.S., with 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths. "

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-20/coronavirus-pandemic-overshadows-a-deadly-flu-season

 

[britbox]

^ You didn't say BBC reporting follows Fox News. You specifically said it followed the Washington Post. They clearly weren't.

My issue with your position from the get-go was that you claimed all the decisions made by overseas governments were driven by the Post influencing their own local media. They were not. They are using data analysis.

As this unfolds you are still clinging onto that original narrative. I got so stick of stating the obvious and said to check the numbers in a month and we'll revisit the argument. That was just over a week ago. Even since then, the picture should be a lot clearer for you to process.

 

[calitennis127]

^ You didn't say BBC reporting follows Fox News. You specifically said it followed the Washington Post. They clearly weren't.

They were following the Washington Post later in February in terms of generating international hysteria that this was potentially the worst pandemic in world history. In January, the coronavirus was simply an international curiosity occurring in China that was being reported on factually as a secondary story by multiple news outlets. Then when Trump enacted the travel ban, Democrats in the United States at CNN, the Washington Post, Vox, and the Daily Beast (in addition to Biden) condemned it as xenophobic because they did not think the coronavirus was a big deal. A few weeks later they started to see that it was spreading throughout the world and that it was a weapon they could use against Trump. At that point they started whipping up the hysteria.

My issue with your position from the get-go was that you claimed all the decisions made by overseas governments were driven by the Post influencing their own local media. They were not. They are using data analysis.

Lol....as though editorializing and narrative slants with headlines play no role. Did you see governments shutting down in 2009-2010 when there were over 60 million swine flu cases in the United States? No. And that was because the media were not depicting it as the onset of the end times.

As this unfolds you are still clinging onto that original narrative. I got so stick of stating the obvious and said to check the numbers in a month and we'll revisit the argument. That was just over a week ago. Even since then, the picture should be a lot clearer for you to process.

In case you didn't notice from the WSJ article I posted, I think there are a much larger number of "cases" out there. But the disease is so weak relative to what is being claimed that most people don't notice. So I fully expect an increase in the number of cases, with a consistently small percentage of people ultimately dying. And when they do, COVID-19 will be one of multiple reasons because they are probably going to be individuals with serious underlying conditions. These slightly increasing numbers are not going to make me say that causing millions of people to lose their jobs was worth it.

 

[britbox]

In case you didn't notice from the WSJ article I posted, I think there are a much larger number of "cases" out there. But the disease is so weak relative to what is being claimed that most people don't notice. So I fully expect an increase in the number of cases, with a consistently small percentage of people ultimately dying. And when they do, COVID-19 will be one of multiple reasons because they are probably going to be individuals with serious underlying conditions.

Oh, absolutely. I think the real total is less than 1%, maybe less than 0.5% when they do the hindsight modelling to come up with their overall estimates. By the way, 60 million for swine-flu was a post epidemic estimate, not positive clinical tests. The estimated numbers for this will likely be quite a lot higher.

However, as I've kept saying over and over, once health services get overrun then it can be a game-changer, even for people without the virus.

The BBC has been fairly consistent in following the data for their reporting. The UK, Europe, and Australia don't close their borders and implement such draconian measures based on American media.

 

[brokenshoelace]

While I think Trump has been all over the place and reckless with his commentary on this virus, I suspect the whole situation is more nuanced than just blaming him for pretty much everything.

Agreed with this, by the way. 100%

 

[brokenshoelace]

Cali explaining to me that a young adult is unlikely to die from the Coronavirus as if it's some revelation really highlights one of his main flaws: Other than being all around grossly misinformed and a huuuuuge inflated sense of self importance, he thinks everyone who disagrees with him is dumb. Yeah, no shit, most 20-something/early-30 something year olds aren't going to die from this. In fact, most people aren't going to die from this. At no point did I ever compare this to the black plague. That's just Cali creating a strawman because he is a legit walking logical fallacy.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Indian Wells is in the fucking dessert.....2 hours from L.A. and 7 hours from San Francisco. Cancelling it was unnecessary.



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Ahhhh I see. If it's in the desert, it can only be attended by desert people, who genetically, are immune to the virus anyway.

 

[britbox]

I'm expecting a complete flip-flop on this from Cali, now Trump is talking of potentially 2.2 million dead without draconian government intervention. He even mentioned the word "plague" in his speech. Lol. No messengers to shoot this time, it was straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[Federberg]

I'm expecting a complete flip-flop on this from Cali, now Trump is talking of potentially 2.2 million dead without draconian government intervention. He even mentioned the word "plague" in his speech. Lol. No messengers to shoot this time, it was straight from the horse's mouth.

asses mouth you mean? @Horsa will chase you for horse abuse if you're not careful..

 

[britbox]

If you think Trump's handling of Corona has been bad, then Nancy Pelosi is probably multiple times worse. Total political gamesmanship. America is embarrassing itself with this low-level low-brow partisanship.

 

[Horsa]

asses mouth you mean? @Horsa will chase you for horse abuse if you're not careful..

Haha! No, I know it's just a saying. To go along with your joke though I love all members of the equine family of horses but I'd agree if you used the least evolved member who died out ages ago which is the eohippus. Lol.

 

[Moxie]

One thing that is really bothering me now is that it feels like we've all forgotten that it is an election year. Some primaries are pushing, and NY in particular is trying to figure out if we can vote by mail-in. (We have strict laws about absentee here.) As much as I was bored to tears by so many Dem debates, I think that Joe and Bernie should debate again, and soon. Trump, as the incumbent, has the bully pulpit. But he can't be the only voice right now.

 

[calitennis127]

Cali explaining to me that a young adult is unlikely to die from the Coronavirus as if it's some revelation really highlights one of his main flaws: Other than being all around grossly misinformed and a huuuuuge inflated sense of self importance, he thinks everyone who disagrees with him is dumb.

No, not everyone. You're not everyone. I do think you're dumb though. You are deeply uninformed and misinformed, and you look up to white leftists as your gods. They are your mental slavemasters. You are especially clueless about the United States, as demonstrated by your avoidance of any detailed conversation on American politics and your use of the term "genocidal war ideology" to sound sophisticated. You clearly know nothing about American political theory or the schools of thought on American foreign policy. You are an overgeneralizing, low-information tool.

And there you go again, extending words some more. Your corniness knows noooooooooooooooooo bounds!!!!!

 

[calitennis127]

Ahhhh I see. If it's in the desert, it can only be attended by desert people, who genetically, are immune to the virus anyway.

Oh wow, look everyone. The Lebanese Elmer Fudd knows that auto transportation exists. Good for him.

I'm delighted to see that he is following the lead of his white left-wing gods and believes that every venue everywhere in the world must be shut down indefinitely. Anything they say, he will believe and repeat. He cannot question them under any circumstance.

 

[calitennis127]

If you think Trump's handling of Corona has been bad, then Nancy Pelosi is probably multiple times worse. Total political gamesmanship. America is embarrassing itself with this low-level low-brow partisanship.

There you go again.....repeating mainstream media nonsense. As a rule of thumb, if BwokenWooWace likes one of your posts, it's dumb - because he is uninformed and dumb.

Yes, Pelosi has been partisan, but she is not representative of everyone in the United States. Trump has not been partisan at all in his work with the governors and people who actually make decisions. His only "partisanship" has occurred in press conferences in responding to Democrats in the media and Democrats who are publicly criticizing him for political points. He even went out of his way to compliment the Democratic NYC mayor Bill De Blasio recently. Trump has not been partisan at all in trying to work through this crisis. That is nonsense.

Trump praises Mayor de Blasio

“He’s like us, he’s working very hard. But I can’t say anything bad about Mayor de Blasio because my relationship with him over the last couple of weeks has been excellent,” Trump told reporters at a White House press conference.

Trump praises Mayor de Blasio: ‘I’ve really gotten to like him’ amid coronavirus crisis

President Trump on Friday said he’s “really gotten to like” New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, saying they bonded while responding to the coronavirus outbreak. “He’s like …

nypost.com

Wow, Trump was really partisan there. Great point Britbox. Great point.

Again - anytime the Lebanese Elmer Fudd likes your post, know that you most likely said something inaccurate and inane.

 

[calitennis127]

I'm expecting a complete flip-flop on this from Cali, now Trump is talking of potentially 2.2 million dead without draconian government intervention.

Right, Trump was repeating a figure from a model making a ridiculous projection. I totally disagree that the death toll could realistically get that high. Trump is repeating what some of his advisers are telling him - such as the same Dr. Fauci who indicated in early February that the U.S. was keeping a "lid" on the number of coronavirus cases.

I would remind you that last week a British researcher walked back a study making a similar prediction for the United Kingdom.

Neil Ferguson, Doctor Behind Coronavirus Imperial College Study, Revises Predictions

Neil Ferguson, Doctor Behind Coronavirus Imperial College Study, Revises Predictions

The doctor behind a U.K. college study that painted a doomsday scenario over the coronavirus pandemic now says he holds a more optimistic view about the spread.

dailycaller.com

 

[Moxie]

No, not everyone. You're not everyone. I do think you're dumb though. You are deeply uninformed and misinformed, and you look up to white leftists as your gods. They are your mental slavemasters. You are especially clueless about the United States, as demonstrated by your avoidance of any detailed conversation on American politics and your use of the term "genocidal war ideology" to sound sophisticated. You clearly know nothing about American political theory or the schools of thought on American foreign policy. You are an overgeneralizing, low-information tool.

And there you go again, extending words to sound cool. Your corniness knows noooooooooooooooooo bounds!!!!!

It is really sad that the two of you just go after each other in childish jabs when there is an actual global crisis going on. It's tiresome and feels incredibly trivial. I think you both have more to contribute. Do what you like, of course, but I think most of us can't be bothered to even read it. Life is short, and definitely feels too precious for the crap, atm.