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But before I do that, let me point out to you exactly what I pointed out to Moxie and she had to concede: Trump never called the virus itself a "hoax."
Just saw this going back over the discussion of yesterday. You are a liar AND a dick. You did not point that out to me, as I never asserted that he'd said it. And I didn't "concede" to your point. You responded to @britbox , then I actually looked it up for myself, and posted this on p. 171: https://www.tennisfrontier.com/threads/us-politics-thread.833/page-171

No wonder you feel you can constantly claim schooling people or besting them in these discussions....because you just make shit up! And then worse, you start to believe it. No surprise you're a fan of Trump, then. And so much for trying to be even-handed in a debate that you're participating in. You have not the least amount of generosity in discussion. All you care about is winning, no matter how sleazy your tactics or questionable your sources.

To reiterate my own point, it takes rather a deep-dive into his speech to glean that he didn't call the virus itself a "hoax." He separated the notion of Democrats politicizing it and the words "virus" and "hoax" with a lot of hot air in between. It's not surprising that it was misconstrued, and very much including by his faithful, who have decided to treat the virus as a hoax invented by Democrats to bring down Trump, or at the very least, overblown to the same end. (You get included in this.) Whether intentional or not, it had the effect of a dog-whistle to the faithful. TBH, I have no problem with @brokenshoelace continuing to say that Trump called it a "hoax," because he has treated it as one, until forced to do otherwise. Even now, he seems to be relying mostly on "hoping" this all blows over soon. (See press conference of today with Faucci.)
 

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This is incredible...


not often I agree with Tucker these days, but....


This got buried and is worth pointing out. If these Senators used inside information for personal gain in the stock market, isn't that illegal? Surely it's immoral. What Burr said in private to high-dollar fellow travelers was different to what he said publicly about the potential pandemic in the run-up, though he did sound some warnings. This is an interesting piece on it from a Raleigh-based paper (his state. For the sake of saving time, they are judged to be left-leaning but factually correct):
 

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Why is it incredible? She is a senator with some access to inside info on the impending doom. Her husband is NYSE director or something like that.
You don’t find the blatant corruption incredible? Maybe it’s just me then...

btw this is cross party I hear. Feinstein was at it too..
 

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Just saw this going back over the discussion of yesterday. You are a liar AND a dick. You did not point that out to me, as I never asserted that he'd said it. And I didn't "concede" to your point. You responded to @britbox , then I actually looked it up for myself, and posted this on p. 171: https://www.tennisfrontier.com/threads/us-politics-thread.833/page-171

Both Britbox and BwokenWooWace said that Trump called it a hoax. Then you said this after examining the quote: "So, by letter of his word, he didn't exactly call the virus a "hoax," but he sure as hell put it out there for his acolytes to munch on."

The bold line there was a concession on your part that what Britbox and BwokenWooWace said was incorrect, and, again, that's why Facebook flagged the Politico article which originally made the claim. The second part of your statement is simply your own speculation about how some people may have taken it. Nothing more. It was plain as day from Trump's quote - which the low-information bigot Bwoken is too lazy to look up - that Trump was referencing the Democratic treatment of coronavirus as the hoax.

All you care about is winning, no matter how sleazy your tactics or questionable your sources.

How questionable my sources? Lol. Right, so any article that doesn't serve the partisan interests of the Democrats - even if it is published in the New York Times or Washington Post - is immediately "questionable." Sure. But the media who promoted Michael Avenatti for president, bought the Jussie Smollett hoax, lied about the Covington Catholic kids and had to settle lawsuits because of it, and then popularized the tinfoil conspiracy theory of Russian collusion are completely credible and legitimate. Sure. As I have said many times, you exemplify the utter stupidity of the Democratic electorate.

I guess Moxie doesn't consider the CDC legitimate now either, since I cited their statistics on swine flu.

To reiterate my own point, it takes rather a deep-dive into his speech to glean that he didn't call the virus itself a "hoax."

No, it doesn't. It's very clear. Look at the quotes you cited again:

“Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right?” he said. “Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.”

Then the president, who often
dismissed special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation as a hoax, continued, “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

Paragraph 1: Clear message is that the coronavirus is being politicized by the Democrats to discredit Trump.

Paragraph 2: Clear message is that the Democrats' criticism of Trump over coronavirus is an extension of their earlier hoaxes (such as Russian collusion), which were indeed hoaxes.

It's not surprising that it was misconstrued, and very much including by his faithful, who have decided to treat the virus as a hoax invented by Democrats to bring down Trump, or at the very least, overblown to the same end. (You get included in this.)

Yes, you can include me among those who believe this virus is overblown in terms of its potency and that it is being exploited by the Democratic media to discredit Trump. But now you have a big problem on your hands. In addition to the MIT biologist and Israeli disease expert I cited earlier as skeptics of how dangerous the virus actually is, you now have this piece in the New York Times. This article says exactly what I said all along. So I will ask you the same question I asked Britbox: when will you get with the program and catch up? Or is the New York Times now a "questionable source"? The author of this piece is the founder of a research center at Yale:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html

Whether intentional or not, it had the effect of a dog-whistle to the faithful.

No, it was a completely rational assessment of the political landscape. Before even 50 people had died in the U.S. from the virus, you had members of the media calling this "Trump's Katrina" (MSNBC and Yahoo), "Trump's Chernobyl" (Washington Post), and the "Trumpvirus" (New York Times). Now you may agree with that, but to deny that the Democrats were trying to making political hay out of this from the start is just ridiculous. Perhaps you don't follow the media very closely and need to raise your acuity level in that regard.


So, once again, you've been schooled. You're welcome, Moxie. I enjoy teaching. Study tonight and I'll see you tomorrow in class.
 

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TBH, I have no problem with @brokenshoelace continuing to say that Trump called it a "hoax," because he has treated it as one, until forced to do otherwise. Even now, he seems to be relying mostly on "hoping" this all blows over soon. (See press conference of today with Faucci.)


For the one-millionth time: Trump declared the coronavirus a "public health emergency" on January 31st (according to the Washington Post) and enacted a travel ban on February 2nd while your mentally defective party was pursuing its completely logic-free, baseless impeachment. So Trump never treated it as a "hoax." He was taking it seriously far before the Democrats did.

Also, as a rule of thumb, you should not cite BwokenWooWace (the dorkboy with the stylistic effect of Elmer Fudd) on any internal American political matter. He is nothing more than a mental slave to white leftists in Western Europe and the United States. He treats you all as his gods and believes virtually everything you say. So citing anything he says adds absolutely no force to your argument.

The bottom line is that Trump did not call the virus itself a hoax. He called the Democrats' politicizing of it a hoax and he did so on Friday, February 28, a full month after he had already declared a public health emergency (January 31) and enacted a travel ban (February 2).

Want proof? Well, I have a questionable source. It just happens to be your favorite: the Washington Post, on January 31. Put this in your pipe and smoke it:

"The White House declared a “public health emergency” and — beginning on Sunday at 5 p.m. — will bar non-U.S. citizens who recently visited China from entering the United States, subject to a few exemptions."

 

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I can't concede a point I didn't make. You think of me as being on the same "team" as broken and britbox. As I said to you recently, brevity could really be your friend. And as I said above, you're still a tiresome putz.
 

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Of course, he also disbanded the whole pandemic team in 2018 but you won't hear his minions criticize him.

Here is the low-information ignoramus and anti-American bigot who knows nothing about the United States repeating the misinformation from his white leftist gods once again. Unfortunately, his gods deceived him yet again. It makes you wonder if he'll ever find a new religion. Is he smart enough to realize how much he is duped every single day by those who he has entrusted his mind to?

I hate to break it to you but this notion that Trump "disbanded the whole pandemic team in 2018" was just thrashed by a WaPo op-ed the other day. Most of what the Washington Post runs is trash but, like the New York Times, they occasionally post something contrarian and insightful. Read and learn, little sheepdog:

No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.

 

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I can't concede a point I didn't make. You think of me as being on the same "team" as broken and britbox. As I said to you recently, brevity could really be your friend. And as I said above, you're still a tiresome putz.


This coming from the same person who just said that I ignored inconvenient information and that I am not generous in conversation. So I take the time to respond in detail to a long post of hers and all she can do back is send a short insult. So she is being neither "generous" nor attentive to what her respondent said. So what do we have here? Moxie's hypocrisy at work. Apparently she can't take 5 minutes to read a post. She has too short an attention span to read anything beyond 15 seconds, and then she accuses others of ignoring info. Makes total sense.

Dr. David Katz of Yale:

Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?
There may be more targeted ways to beat the pandemic.

 

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You don’t find the blatant corruption incredible? Maybe it’s just me then...

btw this is cross party I hear. Feinstein was at it too..

People wanted bipartisanship and they got it. :lol6:

Kelly not only dumped her regular stocks, but also invested in companies that enable people to work from home.
 
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You don’t find the blatant corruption incredible? Maybe it’s just me then...

I am surprised that only four senators did this.

Before 2013, this is officially considered legal and not even eye-brows raised. Only after that the law was created banning politicians from
making use of information that they get by virtue of their position in stock market dealings.
Apparently only three people voted against the bill and Burr was one of them.
 

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The Washington Post article cited above has a line that everyone should pay attention to:

"[...]when people play politics in the middle of a crisis, we are all less safe. "
 
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All the politicians had enough time to sell their regular stocks and reinvest them into companies that enable work from home. But, nobody had enough time to order tests, masks, swabs etc.
 
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The Washington Post article cited above has a line that everyone should pay attention to:

"[...]when people play politics in the middle of a crisis, we are all less safe. "



Unfortunately that is exactly what Nancy Pelosi is doing.
 

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Unfortunately that is exactly what Nancy Pelosi is doing.
Oh, but certainly not Trump, right? Or you. Well, look, I'm going to be protecting myself, my loved ones and my community as best I can. Not for the sake of politics, but for the sake of the common good. Cases of the virus are still increasing daily. It seems responsible not to be part of the spread.
 
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I can't concede a point I didn't make.

Maybe this will finally make you, Britbox, and the Lebanese Elmer Fudd (BwokenWooWace) admit that you were wrong about Trump calling the coronavirus a hoax. The Washington Post reporter Amber Phillips today put up a tweet apologizing "for quoting the president out of context." You're really backed up in a corner here Moxie. You revere the Washington Post as a church. So you have few options available to you after a Washington Post reporter apologizes for making the same error you did. I'm sure Britbox will have no problem admitting he was wrong. But the Lebanese Elmer just wight have to weconsider his views too:

 

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Maybe this will finally make you, Britbox, and the Lebanese Elmer Fudd (BwokenWooWace) admit that you were wrong about Trump calling the coronavirus a hoax. The Washington Post reporter Amber Phillips today put up a tweet apologizing "for quoting the president out of context." You're really backed up in a corner here Moxie. You revere the Washington Post as a church. So you have few options available to you after a Washington Post reporter apologizes for making the same error you did. I'm sure Britbox will have no problem admitting he was wrong. But the Lebanese Elmer just wight have to weconsider his views too:


And maybe this one will finally make you admit that Trump has been underselling the epidemic all along. Yeah, but what are the chances? I don't care what was said on 31 Jan. It's much more about what was said since, and what wasn't done.
 

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Oh, but certainly not Trump, right?

Trump has done nothing to try to one-up Democrats in Congress through this process. Pelosi on the other hand just threw a grenade into Senate negotiations over the stimulus with added demands after McConnell and Senate Democrats had worked together over the weekend to come to an agreement. She did this because she is an utterly contemptible and incompetent witch who is in a role that she is not equipped to handle. She treats her activities like a high school vendetta where she is trying to get back at an ex-boyfriend.

What do you get when you combine Botox, left-wing Catholicism, wobbling in high heels that are too big for your feet, a speech impediment, silly political beliefs, and spite? You get Nancy Pelosi.
 

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And maybe this one will finally make you admit that Trump has been underselling the epidemic all along. Yeah, but what are the chances?

Well here Moxie, let me share something with you that your left-wing sources aren't: when Trump made repeated assurances in February that the virus was under control, he was simply repeating what Dr. Fauci (you know, the scientific expert everyone has been adoring) was saying. What's funny is how anti-science Democratic idiots are always saying "trust the scientists, trust the doctors, go with science," etc. as if they give a flying shit about that. If they actually looked at what Dr. Fauci has said since January, they would know that Trump has been doing PRECISELY what they have been calling for, which is deferring to the credentialed scientist(s). Just look at this quote from February 7th from Fauci. All Trump was doing was echoing his sentiments:

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