US Politics Thread

[Jelenafan]

Back in the

I didn't read that she was ever a republican. It sounds like she's not tribal though, which is a good thing. Grown-up politics.

Back in the pre-Partisan days there were Progressive Republicans and conservative Democrats. Seems nowadays it’s political suicide on both parties to veer too much off the consensus of the status quo.

 

[britbox]

Back in the


Back in the pre-Partisan days there were Progressive Republicans and conservative Democrats. Seems nowadays it’s political suicide on both parties to veer too much off the consensus of the status quo.

Yeah, more's the pity.

 

[Federberg]

Just reading all the excuses the editorials are making about Warren. They're making out that her campaign failed because she was a woman. Tosh! She messed up healthcare for a pipe dream that wasn't what voter wanted. They don't want to give up the health care provisions they've taken in lieu of wage increases. And she committed electoral suicide to destroy Bloomberg's campaign. They act as if all of that didn't matter. Pathetic!

 

[Federberg]

As for Gabbard, she has not been campaigning to win the hearts and minds of Democratic voters. I'm not sure what she is campaigning for to be honest

 

[Federberg]

Lol! I guess black voters and educated women are not the Democratic establishment according to Bernie. He's alienating potential voters trying to label Biden. He would be better served by coming up with a narrative about why he would be a superior candidate

 

[Moxie]

Just reading all the excuses the editorials are making about Warren. They're making out that her campaign failed because she was a woman. Tosh! She messed up healthcare for a pipe dream that wasn't what voter wanted. They don't want to give up the health care provisions they've taken in lieu of wage increases. And she committed electoral suicide to destroy Bloomberg's campaign. They act as if all of that didn't matter. Pathetic!

Her campaign failed for a few reasons, but to pretend that one of them isn't because she's a woman is to ignore what many (esp. many women) have said. She let Bernie push her a bit into going too far on Health care IMO, but why is his campaign flourishing and hers dead, when they had a very similar approach? Also, she actually scored high by knocking Bloomberg...I don't get where you see it was electoral suicide? Anyway, I've been hearing women, call-ins and pundits alike saying for months some version of: "I hate to say it, but I don't think a woman can win right now." Everyone's main objective is to beat Trump, and that's why we're left with the tried and true: two old white guys.

Just a little snap-shot that I think is kind of a perfect example of how Tuesday went: Some of my family voted in MA. I asked who they voted for. My nephew, voting in his first election, voted, unsurprisingly, for Bernie. My brother and sister-in-law, who have preferred Warren all along, but we've discussed all options, went for Biden, and I didn't feel the need to ask why.

 

[Federberg]

Her campaign failed for a few reasons, but to pretend that one of them isn't because she's a woman is to ignore what many (esp. many women) have said.

I just trust what I saw. She failed. Not a woman. Her. Was it the fact that she was a woman that she didn't do the proper work to win black voters? Was it her gender that made her to those ridiculous purity tests on funding that she couldn't even live up to? No it was herself and not her gender.

She let Bernie push her a bit into going too far on Health care IMO, but why is his campaign flourishing and hers dead, when they had a very similar approach?

What does that have to do with her gender? She made that mistake. Nothing to do with her sex organs. Bernie is a smarter politician than she is. He's basically saying the same thing but if you pretend you have all the answers (I have a plan for that) you'll get called out and your very brand works against you. Could have happened to a bloke. Nothing to do with her organs. Bernie understands perfectly well that facts will mean nothing when or if he goes up against Trump.

Also, she actually scored high by knocking Bloomberg...I don't get where you see it was electoral suicide?

This pretty much sums it up. The point was to win the primaries. If her objective was simply to take out Bloomberg then no one should complain, she achieved that. Meanwhile others were actually trying to win. She can't blame a vagina for that. Sorry...

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Her campaign failed for a few reasons, but to pretend that one of them isn't because she's a woman is to ignore what many (esp. many women) have said. She let Bernie push her a bit into going too far on Health care IMO, but why is his campaign flourishing and hers dead, when they had a very similar approach? Also, she actually scored high by knocking Bloomberg...I don't get where you see it was electoral suicide? Anyway, I've been hearing women, call-ins and pundits alike saying for months some version of: "I hate to say it, but I don't think a woman can win right now." Everyone's main objective is to beat Trump, and that's why we're left with the tried and true: two old white guys.

Just a little snap-shot that I think is kind of a perfect example of how Tuesday went: Some of my family voted in MA. I asked who they voted for. My nephew, voting in his first election, voted, unsurprisingly, for Bernie. My brother and sister-in-law, who have preferred Warren all along, but we've discussed all options, went for Biden, and I didn't feel the need to ask why.

Moxie , in my personal opinion , as long as the Dems (not all but the leftists that have a loud voice) keep making everything about race, gender and identity and disregard merit and competency, they will keep on losing. Any chance maybe Warren was just not competent enough? I mean, same electorate was OK with another woman last time around, so maybe it is not all about what is between the legs and maybe more about what is between the ears?
On a totally personal subjective note, I believe if Michelle Obama ran, the race for Dems would have been over by now and as far as I can tell, she has a couple of those XX chromosomes.

 

[Federberg]

Moxie , in my personal opinion , as long as the Dems (not all but the leftists that have a loud voice) keep making everything about race, gender and identity and disregard merit and competency, they will keep on losing. Any chance maybe Warren was just not competent enough? I mean, same electorate was OK with another woman last time around, so maybe it is not all about what is between the legs and maybe more about what is between the ears?
On a totally personal subjective note, I believe if Michelle Obama ran, the race for Dems would have been over by now and as far as I can tell, she has a couple of those XX chromosomes.

Pelosi herself, when asked about whether gender had anything to do with Warren failing, said something like expecting people to vote for you because of your gender was a good way to lose. I agree with her

 

[Moxie]

I specifically said it's not ALL about her being a woman. However, I've been listening to this reasoning for 3 months and in its concentrated version over the last 2 days: that people shied away from voting for Warren in large part because they didn't think a woman was electable. Someone just said today that Hilary was by far the most qualified in 2016 (of the two) and she didn't win, so many have extrapolated that vis-a-vis Warren. Maybe you and Federberg don't have as much access to public opinion, living outside of the US, but if you are going to insist on believing that it has nothing to do with gender, I'm here to tell you have really missed a lot of the conversation on the ground.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I specifically said it's not ALL about her being a woman. However, I've been listening to this reasoning for 3 months and in its concentrated version over the last 2 days: that people shied away from voting for Warren in large part because they didn't think a woman was electable. Someone just said today that Hilary was by far the most qualified in 2016 (of the two) and she didn't win, so many have extrapolated that vis-a-vis Warren. Maybe you and Federberg don't have as much access to public opinion, living outside of the US, but if you are going to insist on believing that it has nothing to do with gender, I'm here to tell you have really missed a lot of the conversation on the ground.

I wonder if those people are sure it was "A" woman or this particular woman that was not electable?

 

[Federberg]

I wonder if those people are sure it was "A" woman or this particular woman that was not electable?

well said. The whole DNA test thing after Trump called her Pocahontas was a warning sign for me. It all comes down to 2 things. (1) Bernie has a passionate base that won't desert him, he's authentic and consistent (2) Trump has told us who he's afraid of... Biden. Why wouldn't you want to give him what he doesn't want?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Pelosi herself, when asked about whether gender had anything to do with Warren failing, said something like expecting people to vote for you because of your gender was a good way to lose. I agree with her

Actually more than Warren, it was Amy constantly playing the Women card.

 

[Moxie]

I wonder if those people are sure it was "A" woman or this particular woman that was not electable?

If you'd read what I said, there were a lot of women that were saying they didn't feel that "a" woman was electable in this cycle. And Warren was the top female candidate. You guys seem pretty convinced by your own opinions so I'll stop offering what people here are saying.

 

[Moxie]

Actually more than Warren, it was Amy constantly playing the Women card.

Curious to know what you think the "women" card is, and how Klobachar played it. Asking sincerely.

 

[Federberg]

If you'd read what I said, there were a lot of women that were saying they didn't feel that "a" woman was electable in this cycle. And Warren was the top female candidate. You guys seem pretty convinced by your own opinions so I'll stop offering what people here are saying.

I did read what you said. Does it really matter what people say? They don't have any special insight into why other voters made the choices they did? It's not that we're convinced by our own opinions, we just know that the fears of some female voters on the ground don't tell us much more than their own fears. It is patently obvious why black voters voted for Biden, and it's pretty obvious why that fed back into voters in general. Their number one priority is getting rid of Trump. Warren didn't lose because she's a woman. She lost because it was more important to her to take out an opponent than to win. She lost because she completely mis read the moment. Voters are not looking for revolutionary policies. THEY WANT TRUMP OUT. It's that simple. I think it's a disservice to women to use that excuse for her. How crazy would it be if Corey Booker was saying that the reason why he got no funding was because he was black?

 

[the AntiPusher]

Biden's ticket is that he can attract non-educated Republicans? What could possibly go wrong...

Ok..we shall see

 

[the AntiPusher]

Oh, absolutely agree on the demographic. That's why I found AP's post puzzling.

On another note, if Biden is seriously the best candidate the Democratic Party can field, then it doesn't bode well. He'll get chewed alive at debates. You'd better hope there is enough anti-Trump sentiment to see him over the line and bring out the voter base en masse.

Trump didn't do well in the debates. Heck the majority of this board could probably out debate his dumbass. Regardless of what the data shows, Biden will do better than Hilary because the anything but Trump may be the same as in 2016 anything but Hilary.

 

[Federberg]

It's quite obvious the debates didn't matter last time. I doubt they will this time. Heck policy won't matter. This will be about character and if the Dem candidate plays it right it'll be a straight up referendum on Trump

 

[the AntiPusher]

If you'd read what I said, there were a lot of women that were saying they didn't feel that "a" woman was electable in this cycle. And Warren was the top female candidate. You guys seem pretty convinced by your own opinions so I'll stop offering what people here are saying.

They (women)said the same thing in 2016 that a woman wasn't electable .that's Sad.