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It may be related, but if you ask people to read 75 -100 lines without telling them why, they won't. I'm just saying. It's not conversation when you lay down those long diatribes. It would be more helpful if you'd explain why you put it up. Otherwise, you're typing into the void. Trust me.
 
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It may be related, but if you ask people to read 75 -100 lines without telling them why, they won't. I'm just saying. It's not conversation when you lay down those long diatribes. It would be more helpful if you'd explain why you put it up. Otherwise, you're typing into the void. Trust me.
Hi, Moxie.

they are self-explanatory.

to read them or not - is people's decision . i put my part to just bring up the article and information. and my explanation doesn't really change the articles and information or even provide the reason for anyone.

thank you.

I love you - truly. i really care that you and americans just try - as i do -- to be informed. that is all.

and then - you decide what to do with that information.

just a little example:

did you know about this bit of information from -- about 3 years ago?

the USA'S most advanced CRUISER (that is a very big battle ship)
entered the Black Sea - which is a sensitive area for russia's concerns of its ''near -abroad" security -- no differently than the USA would consider the caribbean a sensitive area ...if , for example russian or chinese ships came , anchored in cuba etc...and then kept saying "we are not here intending to provoke or threaten anyone nearby"...

in any case -- this particular USA ship - somehow went sailing straight TOWARDS crimea -- straight towards the RUSSIAN NAVAL BASE of Sevastopol -- and , really, the only OTHER naval base of russia apart from one SINGLE one up north in arctic siberia and a small one off the coast of her FAR EAST KAMCHATKA region....this is the same naval port in the peninsula which the USA always WANTED to take - by means of having ''ukraine sovereigntY'' give it to the USA of course -- (and understand ukraine - EXCEPT for the SMALL westernmost region of ukraine which is NOT ukrainian at all but more polish, germans, etc..but CLAIM dominion over ALL of ukraine -- ukraine is actually THE ORIGINAL russia - it is where RUSSIA WAS BORN, OVER 1,000 YEARS AGO and therefore today is nothing more but an ARTIFICIAL 'independent" country ONLY because RUSSIA allowed it under the USSR to be autonomous for admionistrative purposes but ALWAYS was REALLY RUSSIAN -- never forget that )

this is

this - the peninsula that ''went back to russia" - which has been a russian territory for now about 400 years -- with its most important naval port there -- -- that is more than 10,000 miles away from american shores...and about as old the USA has existed..

now the russians - in response sent up TWO old-era planes - purposely did NOT fit their wings with missiles - but flew over the american ship about a dozen times - so low to about 100 feet or less - back and forth etc...

all that time ALL the navigational, weapons availability, helicopters, computers, electricity went black - DEAD - and the ship sat like a duck...

after a while the russian jets went away .. having made a point perhaps...

after which the US ship went ON -- and captain ordered it to go to the OPPOSITE coastline in romania at FULL SPEED to dock .

1/3 of the crew were SO SPOOKED and upset at how they were sent by YOUR pentagon that to way to ''flex muscle" right at russia's face in HER own ''lake" (imagine this done , say 30 miles or 15 off the coast of florida to the USA?) -

AND the sailors DEMANDED to be RE-ASSIGNED to germany..

did you know of this?

i leave you with that thought in mind (oh - and yes -- it IS documented - all you have to do is go and find it yourself - on USS DONALD COOKE).
 
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I liked the poem Teddy. I don't know who is worst, but I know I wouldn't be voting for any Clinton even if they were the only candidate.

i like neither of them - how could anyone?

BUT clinton SCARES the hell out of me...

her record :

VOTE YES to invade and attack IRAQ based on now discredited claims sold by the likes of CONDI RICE "we don't want mushroom clouds of destruction over NYC from WMD's"...

POWELL in front of the world at the UN holding up a vial of ''nuclear weapons grade uranium bought by saddam from africa" (discredited as based on some college student's poorly written THESIS) --

actually is known to have BROW-BEATEN barack obama , as secretary of state , to attack LIBYA - once the most stable and prosperous country in africa -- which resulted in a DESTROYED country which in the chaos PRODUCED - along with the OTHER destroyed IRAQ --

what we today call ISIL, DAESH, etc...that have now swarmed all over europe and the rest of the world...

isn't HILLARY'S achievement wonderful?

ONLY IF ONE LOVES BLOODSHED for the sake of american ''greatness and leadership".

not to mention HER husband is responsible -==- RESPONSIBLE - along with madeleine ablright , george soros, zbigniew brzezinski, general wesley clarke -- etc...for DESTROYING YUGOSLAVIA AND SERBIA...to make them ''democratic"...

in fact - OUR BELOVED NOLE -- was ''learning and practicing tennis" between BOMBS falling from NATO as DICTATED by hillary's HUSBAND - TO ''civilize those Slavs in the american way" -- just as we all have known from NOLE.

that -- THAT was the work of the HILLARY/BILLIE ''good america" ...

unfortunately -- lots of americans SWEAR by HER!!
 

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Why Hillary Is The Perfect Person to Secure Obama’s Legacy
John Chuckman 3 minutes ago | 15 0
I read a piece that said Hillary, with her speech about racism and extremists taking over the Republican Party, was making a play for a one-party state. That seems rather an exaggeration, but it does contain an important bit of truth. I do indeed believe Hillary thinks along the lines of a one-party state as suggested, but without ever saying so directly, and she is not focused on the particular political party with which she is now associated.

Hillary stands for the establishment, and her views appear to include the idea that anyone without attachment to that establishment is to be designated as a kind of "plebe," as in 1984, or even "untouchable," as in the old Indian caste system. That’s the approach that she took in her “racism” speech. It is, if you will, very much a one-party approach to politics as well as an implicitly anti-democratic one.

And, of course, it represents a truly super-arrogant attitude.

But isn't that the natural inclination of all tyrant temperaments? And there is every indication in Hillary’s past acts and words of a tyrant’s temperament.

Her views on the military and on a long history of events from the FBI Waco massacre (she advocated for aggressive FBI action to get the event out of the headlines) and the bombing of Belgrade (which she advocated privately to her husband) to the invasion of Iraq (which she supported as a Senator) and the death of Libya’s Gadhafi (there’s her infamous, “We came, we saw, he died. Ha, ha, ha,” quote as Secretary of State) to the employment of paid terrorists and poison gas in Syria (an operation she oversaw as Secretary of State), could provide a good working definition of a tyrant’s temperament.

And just look at her close friends and associates in, or formerly in, government, people like Victoria Nuland or Madeleine Albright, extreme Neocon advocates for violence and America’s right to dictate how others should live. Madelaine Albright is best remembered for answering a journalist in an interview, when questioned about tens of thousands of Iraqi children dying in America’s embargo, “We think it’s worth it.” She is also remembered for her dirty, behind-the-scenes work in dumping as Secretary General of the UN, Boutros Boutros-Ghali, a highly intelligent, fair-minded, and decent man who just happened to disagree with the United States once too often. Victoria Nuland’s claims to fame include being recorded talking about America’s spending $5 billion to create the coup in Ukraine. There is also her wonderfully diplomatic quote, “Fuck Europe,” and a seemingly endless stream of photos of her scowling into cameras.

And the same temperament is revealed in her record of “I know better than the expert`” when it comes to matters such as a Secretary of State’s protocols around computer security. Again, her record as First Lady with the Secret Service agents assigned to her protection was so unpleasantly arrogant that there is a residual of ill will still towards her in the Secret Service, enough to cause a number of past agents to tell tales out of school to journalists and in books.

Hillary likes to use language in public speeches which puts her "on the side of the angels" where various social issues are concerned, but it is entirely an advertising campaign of no substance, much resembling the big, clown-like or grimacing smiles she puts on at public events. Many mistakenly associate her with the historic traditions of the liberal left in the older Democratic Party, the kind of traditions Bernie Sanders brought momentarily flickering back to life, although they are in reality now virtually dead in the Democratic Party. Her actual record of behavior, as opposed to her “sound bites” and slogans, just cannot support that view of her as a liberal or progressive light.

Just to start, Hillary conducted the most corrupt campaign against Bernie Sanders I can recall in my adult lifetime. It included an inappropriate insider relationship with the Chairman of the Party, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who used every opportunity with the press and other means to disadvantage Bernie Sanders. It included voter suppression in a number of states as well as outright vote fraud in a number of others. Academic statistical analysis of the primaries’ data suggests that Bernie Sanders in fact won the nomination.

Search as you might, you will not find a history of Hillary actually being involved, beyond uttering slogans every so often, with social issues. She has no record at all. But her history does very much include such acts as being fired from her early job as a Watergate Committee lawyer for unethical behavior (the man who fired the young lawyer still has his contemporary notes of the event) and, in an early volunteer case, grinding down a 12-year old rape victim about fanaticizing over older men and getting her brutal 42-year old attacker freed, smiling in an interview later that she in fact knew he was guilty.

There is literally a line of women who were her predator husband’s lovers at one time or another who say that Hillary afterwards approached them with threats about keeping their mouths shut. And, perhaps her single clearest achievement on social issues, is her record of enabling her husband to carry on with a convicted pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, who lives on a private island and keeps a stable of underage girls for the use of visitors. He is a very wealthy man with wealthy friends and arranges large political contributions, so he receives visitors such as Bill. Epstein actually once claimed he co-founded the Clinton Foundation, and he and associates have made large donations, tens of millions. We have a documented record of 28 trips to the island by Bill, and there is no way on earth Hillary wouldn’t know about them. Just as there is no way she could not know about important developments with the Clinton Foundation. She implicitly approved of the relationship with her often seen money-before-morals attitude.

Her husband’s office-leaving pardon of Marc Rich is often regarded as corrupt and having been paid for by Mr. Rich’s family and friends who donated large and continuing sums over time. Mr. Rich had been indicted in New York for tax evasion and fraud, but perhaps the outstanding aspect of his career, as it relates to Hillary and her slogans about social issues, is the way he made a considerable part of his fortune. He smuggled oil to the apartheid government of South Africa over time against international sanctions, and he is said to have made $2 billion doing so. Well, it does seem more than a little hypocritical to have supported a pardon for this man and then today to be giving speeches on someone else’s purported racism, and even to have been photographed, with toe-scrunching smarminess, eating fried chicken with a group of black voters.

We also have the fact of her talking, quite fiercely and recorded on video, about black “super-predators” when she was First Lady. Her husband signed legislation which likely put more young black males in prison than any other piece of legislation. Bill also bragged, as he signed another bill, of ending “welfare as we know it,” again legislation which hit poor black people hard. And, in all these acts, we know he had Hillary’s support. By a great many reports, Bill Clinton never dared do anything major of which his wife disapproved. With his years of flagrant sexual adventures and his need, on more than one political occasion, for her public lies of support when he was caught out, she had a virtual hammer over his head. Besides, Hillary has always regarded herself as having considerable acumen in such policy matters, and hers is a personality type you do not comfortably ignore.

In terms of pure competence, despite her assuming a public air of swaggering competence, her record is simply meagre to poor. We can return to that early instance, her dismissal from the Watergate Investigation for what her boss called unethical conduct and lying. Later, as First Lady, she took over the healthcare portfolio from her husband, the President, with unprecedented arrogance for an unelected person and one holding no formal appointment to office, and she failed badly in the complicated task.

As a Senator from New York, her eight-year record is remarkably undistinguished. Only three bills she sponsored became law, a bill to rename a highway, a bill to re-name a post office building, and a bill to designate a house as a national historic site. As Secretary of State, she of course ran the Benghazi operation which saw an American Ambassador and others killed, and her handling of the families of the dead afterwards, as the bodies were returned, echoes to this day with insensitivity and even brutality. She is deeply resented by family members and accused of lying.

I do believe it would be a difficult task to come up with a more fitting candidate than Hillary Clinton for carrying on the Obama legacy, a legacy of killing in a half dozen lands on behalf of America’s establishment, lying daily, and leaving your own people, the people who elected you with great hopes more than seven years ago, with nothing.
 

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JUST FOR the record -- the ''half-dozen lands" that are now aflame , or reduced to destroyed countries that are OBAMA'S legacy --

1) syria (still trying to survive with russian help syria requested -- where USA and its Terrorists USA calls "moderate rebels" who somehow USA never says WHERE they are so russia and syria can avoid bombing them somehow insists IT has a right to create ''no-fly zones" inside a country that NEVER invited the USA)
2) libya
3) yemen
4) afghanistan
5) iraq
6) ukraine...

you can include UNDER OBAMA -- US navy general in the asia-pacific (where the USA doesn't belong) -- practically THREATENING AUSTRALIA ""CHOOSE -- china or america"!!

also -- 100 billion dollars worth or so - and counting -- of LOST EARNINGS by THE europeans from lost sales and business to one of europe's largest trade partners -- russia -- due to OBAMA/HILLARY'S -- wonderful Directives To EU TO ''sanction and isolate russia" because Crimea with its 90 percent russians voted to go home to russia AFTER OBAMA'S NULAND gave Ukraine these wonderful self-proclaimed and admitted PROUD NAZIS AND FASCISTS ...

Really -- obama must be such a WIZARD to produce such a wealth of...........destruction and bloodshed and ISIL/DAESH pandora's box...........

WONDERFUL isn't it? and hillary can't WAIT for HER turn at the Till...........
 
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I liked the poem Teddy. I don't know who is worst, but I know I wouldn't be voting for any Clinton even if they were the only candidate.

this couple is the mastermind of the destruction of yugoslavia and the MISERY imposed on Serbia..
 

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maybe clinton's supporters don't QUITE notice it yet -- unless they do and LIKE it anyway - which tells something...

but CLINTON is actually OPENLY declaring a NEW McCarthyism.

meaning?

everything, every country , ANY AMERICAN, ANY world leader, ANYONE AT ALL that does NOT agree with HER -- ''shall be made to pay".

this is the unfolding of a TYRANT of unbelievable dimensions - clothing herself in ''liberal" dress -- for whom NOTHING really matters - liberal, conservative, anything - they don't matter

ONLY that she gets power -- and when she DOES -- watch out...she WILL go after ANYONE that dares oppose her. INCLUDING those that support her.

HER favorite ''boogaboo" to frighten americans right now (and distract them from HER criminalities - of which the transgressions against their own country's security protocols are but ONE of these) is of course "PUTIN" - ''code word for "" the russians"

like "the communists are coming, theya re under your bed, in your closet "

just like mccarthy did that destroyed the lives of thousands of americans...

clinton is like that. and more

because she wants to be mccarthy -- AND the goddess of war..

donald trump -- if only in his own cretinous ''business'' way calls for considering the over-bloated american MILITARY budget --

SHE DEMANDS that when she;s president -- her ''promise" will be fulfilled -- the REMOVE ANY LIMITS on MORE militarism...

was it socrates that said"

"NO country that ever existed survived with perpetual war".

and THAT is what GODDESS OF WAR KILLARY WANTS

coz -- u know -- she's gonna show she's got BIGGER BALLS than anyone out there...and if anyone opposes her -- heck they're just UNPATRIOTIC and need to go to HER guantanamos...

just you wait and see....tha'ts where she's going...
but -- to be sure -- if americans WANT to help her GET THERE...

then -- by all means -- VOTE for her...BE PART and co-authors OF THE DESTRUCTION SHE IS GOING TO UNLEASH on the planet...
 

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Where do you get this stuff from? Can you provide quotes from Hillary Clinton or evidence at least to show this so called McCarthyist tendency? Or are you just taking the Trumpian path and turning away from facts and truth?
 

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Where do you get this stuff from? Can you provide quotes from Hillary Clinton or evidence at least to show this so called McCarthyist tendency? Or are you just taking the Trumpian path and turning away from facts and truth?


you read the news -- follow events -- put them together.

you have to be somewhat intelligent and observant enough to do that. if you ask ME for ''where?"

YOU are being LAZY.
 

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^Please... educate us. Show us how you formulate these conclusions. As they say in the US, where's the beef?
 
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^Please... educate us. Show us how you formulate these conclusions. As they say in the US, where's the beef?


why should i waste time on educating you ''how"?

figure it out yourself. you have a brain - USE IT.
 

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I liked the poem Teddy. I don't know who is worst, but I know I wouldn't be voting for any Clinton even if they were the only candidate.
you read the news -- follow events -- put them together.

you have to be somewhat intelligent and observant enough to do that. if you ask ME for ''where?"

YOU are being LAZY.
I think it's unfair to call anyone out as "lazy" for not being inclined to read your voluminous posts, many of which make very spurious claims with no links to help. For example, I really tried to find out something about the USS Good. A brief google search garnered nothing to support your version of the events. "Lazy," imo, is posting endless articles without much context of your own opinion. To say they are "self-explanatory" is a passive-aggressive way of saying "read these articles," with no generosity to the notion that life is short, and we're not as interested in those Russian articles that you keep coming up with. BTW, the editorial staff of the one I wrote to never replied to my request for information as to their editorial position. I think you really should consider your sources more closely. There is a difference between news and propaganda on the internet. You don't seem to have a strong feel for it.
 
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He said, she said...Clinton must be obsessed with Putin. He wasn't even there but she had to mention him. :)
That's what you picked out of all of that? Clinton on Putin? You have no opinion on Farage inserting himself into US politics, or how actually squeamish he seemed when asked to defend some of Trumps statements on women, for example? I don't think you watched that video. And speaking of people who don't have a horse in the race, I'm not sure why you, a Canadian, are so interested. You have spoken harshly of Hillary Clinton because of Bill Clinton's policy vis-a-vis Serbia. It's possible that you have your own agenda. These are our elections, here in the US. I understand why others have opinions, but I'd prefer if you keep your propaganda out of it. And if you can't tell the difference, you should consider staying clear. I'd appreciate it.
 
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That's what you picked out of all of that? Clinton on Putin? You have no opinion on Farage inserting himself into US politics, or how actually squeamish he seemed when asked to defend some of Trumps statements on women, for example? I don't think you watched that video. And speaking of people who don't have a horse in the race, I'm not sure why you, a Canadian, are so interested. You have spoken harshly of Hillary Clinton because of Bill Clinton's policy vis-a-vis Serbia. It's possible that you have your own agenda. These are our elections, here in the US. I understand why others have opinions, but I'd prefer if you keep your propaganda out of it. And if you can't tell the difference, you should consider staying clear. I'd appreciate it.

LOL There is only 2 Americans commenting on this topic. And you basically told Teddy not to post. So are you going to go on about it all by yourself? What is your agenda?

If you are fine with politicians causing millions of people in different corners of the world destruction and misery, it doesn't mean we are all of the same opinion. This is not an election thread, but US politics. I think everybody should put in their two cents if they like. You can skip the posts you don't like, it's really that simple.
 

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I have been skipping the posts I don't like. That's my position with Teddy. I never told her not to post. And you have your right to your opinion, as do others, as it is an open forum, but I do get a bit irritated about the rest of you telling us how terrible our candidates are. You can understand that, right? It becomes a bit insulting. These are, in fact, OUR elections, not yours. And our candidates. I just think you're all a bit cavalier about how badly you insult them. And therefore, us. Personally, I wish those of you who are not from the States would stand back a bit before you decide to be so harsh and rude. This is a weird and complicated election cycle for us, and I agree that it's fraught with opportunity for lampooning, but I do get irritated when those from abroad feel quite free to just lay our choices and our candidates low. It is our process. You might observe it, but if you think you know better than we do, you can go fuck yourselves. Sorry to be blunt, but I am getting a bit sick of it. I never told any of the Brits what to do about Brexit, even though I offered a few mild opinions and observations. There is a way to comment on our politics without being high-handed and insulting. Folks might respect the notion that perhaps we know more about our own internal struggles than the rest of you do.
 
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You shouldn't take it so personally. See you are not the one who had her own people and country bombed and destroyed, illegally and immorally by those you hold in such a high regard. So in lieu what happened to me, I think I have been pretty mild about my position. If you want to be completely honest, just imagine yourself in my position and see how you would like if the circumstances were reversed.

I can't imagine that something worse than what's going on in Libya, Syria, Yemen will happen to you. Either way it will be the same old for you. I won't mention the election anymore, you take the floor and spread the word about it. We were commenting on the impact on the World, but I guess nobody else matters.
 
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