not like they had much choice. Join with Assad or face obliteration. Iran and Russia must be rubbing their hands with glee.. Trump is hands down the worst President in American history and it's not even close. The likes of Andrew Johnson must be welcoming him into the pantheon with great relief
Forget about Syria mate, I think you're looking at trees and missing the wood. Can American alliances be trusted anymore? Should the word of an American President be respected? Erdogan apparently threw that letter in the bin. That's where America is at now. Have we ever seen American troops having to bomb a base they've just left before? It's a really bad look. I fear the world is less safe today, because Trump looks so spineless someone is going to test him. I just hope it's not Russia, Iran, China or North Korea. Sigh...
come on man... this is not the same as Vietnam, in anyway shape or form. That at least was predictable. This was not. The US have few operators in the line of fire here. The Kurds were the pointy end of the spear, and on a whim the orange faecal stain turned tail. You keep looking at this in terms of moral equivalence. I don't care about the niceties of American interests. What I do care about is how the US might be challenged as outside actors assess the craveness and incompetence of Trump. The world is definitely not safer today, and note I haven't even mentioned ISIS. And also note that any idea that this move is consistent with a retreat from forever wars should look southwards to the build up of American troops in Saudi Arabia. It seems that Trump is trying to make the US Army a mercenary company
Mate this isn't about Kurds, it's not about Syria, it's not even about Trump. This is about whether or not the world is a safer place today than a week before. In my view America's actions:
The ideas that Trump has are straight from Erdogan, which is just another way of saying that he doesn't have any original thought of his own. But that's ok. Turkey is doing what is in their best interests. They need to secure their territorial integrity and they can't really be blamed for that. But let's not kid ourselves, Erdogan didn't do much to stop ISIS from using Turkey as a bridge into Europe. It's not really his concern so it is what it is. His dealings with Russia are in conflict with Turkey's NATO alliances and I wager that at some point in the near future either Turkey leaves the alliance or NATO removes him. I can't see US nuclear ordinance remaining in Turkey as being consistent with NATO's security interests, but Turkey has always been an outlier of sorts in the alliance anyway. The idea that this is the same as it used to be is naive at best imho
lol! It always makes me laugh when deep thinking it attributed to Trump. This was a distraction from the impeachment narrative that backfired. Plain and simple. Let's not make it into anything more than it is
you're debating like a politician mate. It's quite funny actually. The action was by Trump, I had no choice but to speak about the action. But the question is what are the consequences of those actions. You can deflect if you want, that's ok. You have no interest in putting forth a response, that's fine. And by the way, economically he is not a hawk. He's a moron. He had the opportunity to take on China, something which is absolutely necessary but he has framed the conflict in a way that will force allies and non allies alike to focus on their own interests, instead of taking a holistic approach with Western developed market interests into account. He has weakened America in the long term, and likely destabilised post World War 2 arrangements probably irrevocably now. I do find it interesting that you were ok with criticising Obama's 'red line' fiasco and providing a critical assessment of the implications, but now when Trump has taken actions which are far more provocative you have nothing to say. Just that nothing new has happened. All well and good, it's your view
I did have something to say. I said leaving Syria will leave a vacuum that others will exploit. However, I'm not sure why the action is surprising you so much. China and Iran were in Trump's crosshairs from day one. Syria wasn't.you're debating like a politician mate. It's quite funny actually. The action was by Trump, I had no choice but to speak about the action. But the question is what are the consequences of those actions. You can deflect if you want, that's ok. You have no interest in putting forth a response, that's fine. And by the way, economically he is not a hawk. He's a moron. He had the opportunity to take on China, something which is absolutely necessary but he has framed the conflict in a way that will force allies and non allies alike to focus on their own interests, instead of taking a holistic approach with Western developed market interests into account. He has weakened America in the long term, and likely destabilised post World War 2 arrangements probably irrevocably now. I do find it interesting that you were ok with criticising Obama's 'red line' fiasco and providing a critical assessment of the implications, but now when Trump has taken actions which are far more provocative you have nothing to say. Just that nothing new has happened. All well and good, it's your view
Why is "dirt" a thing of value? I thought "dirt" means useless stuff.
How is dirt useless? You couldn't grow much without it. In this case, Trump was trying to "grow" his chances of winning the election by selling favors to a foreign government. :skull:| Thread starter | Similar threads | Forum | Replies | Date |
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