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[calitennis127]

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.

By David Stern and Kenneth P. Vogel

1/11/17, 11:36 AM CET

Updated 1/17/17, 5:59 AM CET

"Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found."

"A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation."

"The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia."

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainian-efforts-to-sabotage-trump-backfire/

 

[calitennis127]

I find it terribly disturbing that the Clinton campaign and the DNC sought to get dirt on Trump from a FOREIGN, yes, a FOREIGN government, during the 2016 campaign. Had Hillary won, she should have been impeached immediately on the basis of the January 2017 Politico story above. And I am sure that Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, and Nancy Pelosi would have supported the impeachment measure, given their concern about the integrity of our democratic processes and institutions.

For Hillary to have sought dirt on Trump and Manafort from the Ukrainians was just beneath the pale. Absolutely inexcusable!

 

[Moxie]

Lol.....you know absolutely nothing about American politics. You should stop trying to understand it and just focus on tennis and your stocks.

You are just wrong about this. Federberg pays really close attention to US politics, and knows a great deal more than most Americans. He just doesn't agree with you. As usual, you seem unable to make the distinction.

 

[the AntiPusher]

not really. One person this helps is Elizabeth Warren. Now I personally am not sure she can beat Trump, but if there's any candidate that's anti-corruption she's the one. And I believe the electorate at large believes that. Biden is toast, I wouldn't be surprised if the black vote that's sustaining him starts to move away now. His soft corruption while not illegal is exactly what pisses off middle America, it's HRC all over again, I can't imagine these older black voters will like that at all

What is the “Black Vote”? Is that the same as the “Colored” vote?

 

[Moxie]

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/02/elizabeth-warren-black-voters-support-2020-016649

 

[calitennis127]

You are just wrong about this. Federberg pays really close attention to US politics,

There is a difference between trying hard and actually being good at something. I don't doubt that Federberg tries very hard to understand politics in the U.S. (he clearly does); I am just saying he is terrible at it. His read on the black vote is completely and entirely wrong and shows that a) he pays no attention to what black leaders say, and b) has never had a single conversation with a black American on politics (something he does not deny). On that and other issues, he has no idea what he is talking about. None.

and knows a great deal more than most Americans.

If that's true, that overwhelmingly applies to the Democratic side of the aisle, which gets most of its votes from stupid/misinformed people.

He just doesn't agree with you. As usual, you seem unable to make the distinction.

And you seem unable to make the distinction between addressing personal shots and hard information, such as the clear collaboration between Ukrainian government officials and the Hillary campaign during the 2016 election that Politico reported on in January 2017.

Why the crickets from you on the subject? Nothing to say? Didn't know about it?

 

[calitennis127]

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/02/elizabeth-warren-black-voters-support-2020-016649

Read your own article, Moxie. It basically says that she is getting a little bit more support among black women after pandering to them. But it also says this:

"Still, Warren has some distance to go with black voters to threaten Biden’s hold. In South Carolina — the early nominating state where more than 60 percent of the primary voters are African American — a Winthrop University poll released Tuesday gave the former vice president a 46 percent to 9 percent lead over Warren among black voters."

She has a meager 9% in South Carolina. That's not as bad as Bernie in 2016 but pretty close. Let's not forget that Hillary would have had zero chance to win the nomination in 2016 were it not for the black vote in the South. Bernie would have crushed her.

You and Federberg are completely wrong to assume that black voters think the same way as white Democrats like yourself. They don't. To insist otherwise just shows your presumptuousness.

 

[Federberg]

^mate have a listen to yourself! Wow!

I don't pay much attention to what black leaders say. And neither should you. Black people are not a monolith. They certainly don't vote according to the diktat of so called black leaders. You're too funny. That by itself exposes your complete ignorance. For the record I know many black Americans. 99% of them would vote for the Republicans in a second if racism, voter suppression and a myriad of other disturbing things weren't policies of the GOP. They're typically a very conservative bunch. At least the ones I know...

 

[calitennis127]

What is the “Black Vote”? Is that the same as the “Colored” vote?

Here's a definition of "the black vote" that I will offer: a voting bloc which Federberg does not comprehend the thinking of.

 

[calitennis127]

I don't pay much attention to what black leaders say. And neither should you....

What?!?!? Al Sharpton has been treated as one of the leading moral authorities, if not THE leading moral authority of the Democratic Party, for years, and other black leaders such as Cummings, John Lewis, Hank Johnson, and Maxine Waters are held in the highest esteem in the Democratic Party. Why should we not pay attention to what they say?

Black people are not a monolith.

Funny, coming from the same person who just got chastised by AntiPusher for using the phrase "the black vote."

That said, the black voting bloc is as close to being a monolith as one you will ever find. It has been going consistently 92%-plus for one party for over 5 decades. How much closer to a monolith can you get than that?

They certainly don't vote according to the diktat of so called black leaders.

Right, the Congressional Black Caucus and NAACP are just "so-called black leaders." That's all their status amounts to. Sure.

But, more to the point, black voters don't have to directly listen to any of these leaders anyway in order to vote in a way that is pleasing to those leaders. There are enough influences to pull them in that direction as it is.

For the record I know many black Americans. 99% of them would vote for the Republicans in a second if racism, voter suppression and a myriad of other disturbing things weren't policies of the GOP.

Yeah, asking for voter ID is so terribly racist. I guess asking for passports at international airports is also racist too, dumbass.

As usual, your read on black America is totally wrong. You don't understand black America and it shows with every post you write. Black voters are motivated primarily by anti-white animus. Whether one thinks it is justified or not is besides the point. They regard the Republicans as the "white party" and they see their own votes as a protest against white society. Numerous blacks I have spoken to did not even know that more than 10% of whites are Democrats. They see their vote in purely racialized terms (as black v. white). You don't know this because you impose how you think of the world on them and tell yourself that they must be just like you.

It is standard white left-wing presumptuousness (the kind Bill Maher just made fun of when he said that white so-called liberals get more offended than the victim).

They're typically a very conservative bunch. At least the ones I know...

The same goes for Muslims, Hindus, Jews, East Asians, and numerous other minority groups who support the left.....90% of the human race is "conservative." Minority voting blocs support the left not because they go ga-ga over Moxie's LGBT religion but because they share animus toward white Christians.

How well do Muslims and Jews get along in the Middle East? Not very well. How well do India and Pakistan get along? Not very well. But what do all these groups share in common when they come to the West?

They vote for the left because they have contempt for a common enemy. They have a shared resentment. The fact that Jews, Hindus, and Muslims often live with the mores of 19th century traditional families does not matter more than their animus toward the white Christian majority.

 

[calitennis127]

More indication that this whole affair with the so-called "whistleblower" was scripted. Schiff, to his credit, duped sapheads like Federberg and Moxie yet again. They're both suckers and fall for this junk every time.


Schiff Got Early Account of Accusations as Whistle-Blower’s Concerns Grew

By Julian E. Barnes, Michael S. Schmidt and Matthew Rosenberg

Oct. 2, 2019

WASHINGTON — The Democratic head of the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Adam B. Schiff of California, learned about the outlines of a C.I.A. officer’s concerns that President Trump had abused his power days before the officer filed a whistle-blower complaint, according to a spokesman and current and former American officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/us/politics/adam-schiff-whistleblower.html

 

[calitennis127]

And right here we have excellent reporting from Sean Davis of The Federalist (someone that Federberg and Broken - with their perspicacious understanding of the American political scene - surely know about, ahem).....this provides even more indication that this was another frame-up that Democrats knew they could pull because the world is populated with suckers like Federberg and Moxie.

Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge

Federal records show that the intelligence community secretly revised the formal whistleblower complaint form in August 2019 to eliminate the requirement of direct, first-hand knowledge of wrongdoing.

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting."

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/2...rement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/

 

[calitennis127]

So let's put 2 and 2 together.....the "intelligence community" revised its whistleblower complaint form in August 2019 to nix the requirement of direct firsthand knowledge and Adam Schiff's office got word from the whistleblower about the complaint before it was even filed.

All the markings of a frame-up, but it worked in deceiving the usual sapheads such as Federberg and Moxie, who take the bait yet another time.

 

[Federberg]

Funny, coming from the same person who just got chastised by AntiPusher for using the phrase "the black vote."

I can't be bothered to debate with you. But I had to respond to this. Let me be clear... I pay more attention to dogshit I accidentally step on than any comment AntiPussy makes. I mean... come on Cali... that's a low blow

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

One of the smartest people I know is Thomas Sowell and the left of course hate him because he is a black person that tells black people to stop being victims. They cannot have that. He should be required reading for every person, black or otherwise.

 

[calitennis127]

One of the smartest people I know is Thomas Sowell and the left of course hate him because he is a black person that tells black people to stop being victims. They cannot have that. He should be required reading for every person, black or otherwise.

Yes!!!! Excellent point. Add to that group Larry Elder and Walter Williams. They are part of the 5% of blacks not satisfied with Moxie's contemptible party and they are generally called sell-outs by other blacks. But they are brilliant and spot-on with their analysis. I'm delighted to hear that you know of Sowell!

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Yes!!!! Excellent point. Add to that group Larry Elder and Walter Williams. They are part of the 5% of blacks not satisfied with Moxie's contemptible party and they are generally called sell-outs by other blacks. But they are brilliant and spot-on with their analysis. I'm delighted to hear that you know of Sowell!

Found out about him 20 years ago but I did not get him until I grew up, I am not ashamed to admit.

Elder has the same message but he is nowhere near the intellectual that Sowell is, no?

 

[the AntiPusher]

I can't be bothered to debate with you. But I had to respond to this. Let me be clear... I pay more attention to dogshit I accidentally step on than any comment AntiPussy makes. I mean... come on Cali... that's a low blow

This is so untrue..me gusta el con'o mucho

 

[the AntiPusher]

Found out about him 20 years ago but I did not get him until I grew up, I am not ashamed to admit.

Elder has the same message but he is nowhere near the intellectual that Sowell is, no?

Let me get this straight, you guys are actually engaged in a discussion about the intelligence of the so called by Federberg 's "blacks " or black vote. Really?

 

[the AntiPusher]

Yes!!!! Excellent point. Add to that group Larry Elder and Walter Williams. They are part of the 5% of blacks not satisfied with Moxie's contemptible party and they are generally called sell-outs by other blacks. But they are brilliant and spot-on with their analysis. I'm delighted to hear that you know of Sowell!

Larry elder could not carry Roland Martin or Dr Michael A Dyson jockstraps