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While I do applaud going to alternative and international websites for a broader view, I don't think it's cool to stand to the point of ranting and raving over the articles published in fairly alternative/bloggish websites. While you like to make withering condemnations of the US and Western Civilization, it seems, you bury it in such a snow-blinding fury and flurry of words that it's impossible to discern your actual points.
 

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I must admit I don't read those long posts either. I'm here to read the opinions of others not to waste my time reading all the nonsense that's copied from the interweb. By all means copy the links (as a link) in but please do tell us what YOU think. Copying essays wholesale is just a bit weird to me unless it's meant to hide a lack of personal conviction
 
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I find that pretty hard to believe and Michael Moore is very anti-Trump as you know... but it's fairly safe to say that Trump has probably "jumped the shark" in the last couple of weeks. Any momentum he briefly had after the GOP conference has evaporated... largely because he's hyper sensitive and goes on a rampage when somebody gets under his skin. I find him entertaining and "human" unlike Clinton, who is a lifelong tainted and IMO incompetent politico... but president? Not that I can vote anyway, but I'd probably be leaning toward Clinton right now... even though my opinion of her is as low as it could probably get.
 

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Yup! It's hard to believe a Trump supporter would confide in him.

I'm not sure about HRC being so incompetent mate. You only have to listen to the glowing comments she got while she was a Senator and later when she was Secretary of State. Of course it's politically convenient to trash her after the fact, that's modern day politics, but I'll take the comments from Republicans who actually worked along side her and had no reason to lie, over comments made when she's going for office.
 

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Yup! It's hard to believe a Trump supporter would confide in him.

I'm not sure about HRC being so incompetent mate. You only have to listen to the glowing comments she got while she was a Senator and later when she was Secretary of State. Of course it's politically convenient to trash her after the fact, that's modern day politics, but I'll take the comments from Republicans who actually worked along side her and had no reason to lie, over comments made when she's going for office.

She's a shameless liar...



I worked in the defence sector, if we'd taken classified documents off site, we'd have been sacked on the spot. Hillary knew what she was doing... I don't like her... but she's not stupid. She's a calculating schemer but basically incompetent... unless you consider climbing the greasy pole of politics as something to commend her on.
 
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^you'll get no argument from me that setting up a private server was the height of stupidity. Whether it rises above that level to something nefarious or not is open to debate (as far as I'm concerned). As to her level of competence, she has made policy mistakes but so has every other politician. and done things that I certainly don't agree with. I don't know why she should be singled out for that to be honest.

As for her being a calculated schemer. In what way is that different from any other politician? Knowing you I'm sure it's not a gender issue, but I do think there might be an element of that over and above the whole different ideological view with some of the haters. Please don't get me wrong I'm no Clinton supporter, she's the US equivalent of a Labour politician after all, and that's not my cup of tea. But I take a fairly detached view about what I've seen and continue to see...
 

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She's a calculating schemer but basically incompetent... unless you consider climbing the greasy pole of politics as something to commend her on.

I really don't see how you can say she's "incompetent" with a straight face, but also I don't understand why you don't believe that being a politician is a legitimate career, which people learn how to do. Yes, they get equated with Beezlebub, but I don't think that's completely fair. How inexperienced for the job do you actually want a person to be? Obama came to the job without a long resume in politics, so I guess you might consider him rather more fresh and less-jaded.

Eisenhower was someone who made a lateral move into politics, and did a lot of good with it, but he was obviously a competent leader, as he was a war general. And he was far from the conservatives that we get from the right, anymore. He grew government by a lot, and he coined the term: "military-industrial complex," which he opposed. I don't think the Republicans would now recognize a lot of his choices. And Donald Trump is no Eisenhower. Otherwise, most of the presidents who have done the most good have been career politicians. And I hope you won't say Reagan, as he was an embarrassment in so many ways, and he was presiding during the Iran-Contra deal, which was hugely illegal, and has gotten us into a lot of the hot water we're in. That, and the fact that he got in bed with the evangelicals, which, when you track the lineage, is where the Republicans, cynically, ended up with Trump. And they are ruing it, believe me. There is a strong belief that this could be the end of the Republican party.
 

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I really don't see how you can say she's "incompetent" with a straight face, but also I don't understand why you don't believe that being a politician is a legitimate career, which people learn how to do. Yes, they get equated with Beezlebub, but I don't think that's completely fair. How inexperienced for the job do you actually want a person to be? Obama came to the job without a long resume in politics, so I guess you might consider him rather more fresh and less-jaded.

Eisenhower was someone who made a lateral move into politics, and did a lot of good with it, but he was obviously a competent leader, as he was a war general. And he was far from the conservatives that we get from the right, anymore. He grew government by a lot, and he coined the term: "military-industrial complex," which he opposed. I don't think the Republicans would now recognize a lot of his choices. And Donald Trump is no Eisenhower. Otherwise, most of the presidents who have done the most good have been career politicians. And I hope you won't say Reagan, as he was an embarrassment in so many ways, and he was presiding during the Iran-Contra deal, which was hugely illegal, and has gotten us into a lot of the hot water we're in. That, and the fact that he got in bed with the evangelicals, which, when you track the lineage, is where the Republicans, cynically, ended up with Trump. And they are ruing it, believe me. There is a strong belief that this could be the end of the Republican party.

I don't think Obama has done a particularly bad job... he's been steady... he's kept a lot of the neohawks at bay... with a different hand at the rudder, the US could have been embroiled in foreign affairs to an extent that would have landed you in perpetual wars for the next two decades. I only really look at foreign policy though... so don't follow too much of the domestic policies and don't care to make a judgement on that side of things because I'm not well up on it. I'm not a Reagan advocate either.

Hillary is clever in many respects, she's a great manipulator and good at playing the political game... but as for "doing her job" and making a difference and serving the people... she's been hopeless in many respects. Hillary-Care or whatever you choose to call it was a flop, she was an incompetent secretary of state... I guess my argument is based not on the smarts you need to get the job... but the smarts you need when you've got the job.... and her track record is very poor IMO.

Now, I'm not a fan of Trump. I admit I find him entertaining and he can hold an audience, but in the last few weeks, some of the stuff he's been coming out with leads me to believe he ain't presidential material. So, there's two candidates... both unfit for the position they're gunning for. Not that it matters, Clinton will win. Trump blew his momentum in the last fortnight. He won't recover.
 
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to top it off, Moxie says she won't 'discuss' it as she can't handle the facts.

so she means that there are no facts about Clinton's crimes at all, thus legitimises her support for the criminal.

i wanted to be sure i have the correct collation of observation..so i reviewed the exchanges here - concerning moxie's approach.

it is clearly divisible into TWO main features:"
1) as you said -- to whine and complain about the poster saying such and such or posting such and such (in my case , a flurry of articles -- which ANYONE CAN CHECK ARE THE ACTUAL FACTS - regardless of whether they are RT , OR SPUTNIK - but facts that the USA MSM will NOT publish)
while at the same time complaining about being attacked personally -- AFTER , or all the while -- actually attacking the poster and messenger for doing whatever it is someone such as you or I did :

post opinion attached to the articles that EVERYONE int he world already knows (except for moxie and the same) .

2) this is also accompanied by a REFUSAL to address the actual articles themelves, point by point or merely EVEN to read them -- by already having DECIDED that they are ''not real news" - and YET have plenty of OPINION that are fact-immune.

funny -- nothing can be done about that.

like i said:

''one can lead a horse to water -- one can not make it drink".
 

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fascinating to see this latest pivot by Trump. I think it's a good thing for democracy, although I don't buy his sincerity. It's past time the GOP makes a proper effort to court the minority vote. The fact that he surrounds himself with racists makes me doubt his sincerity, but I don't believe the Democrats should be allowed to just assume they get the minority vote for free. They haven't done a good enough job on race relations and minority concerns to get their vote by default
 

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Clinton or Trump: This May Be the Beginning of the End | New Eastern Outlook
Author: Phil Butler
“Colin Powell made me do it”, or so says presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton in her latest defense of an illegal US State Department email fiasco. Isn’t it amazing how Clinton’s every dishonest, extreme, or slipshod move is excused in such a way? If news the Clintons took cash bribes from child sex pornographers, CNN would dig into blaming somebody else. America has gone mad ladies and gentlemen, and it’s about to get even more zany. What if Election 2016 is one great big con game?

It is about time Americans come to terms with the probability that the US presidential race is rigged top to bottom. Looking at all that is going on, what other conclusion can be drawn? Forget the mountain of allegations and the seedy dealings of the Clintons since they came to prominence, what kind of a possession is in effect when a society considers electing “families” of leaders? What manner of collective psychosis is cursing America when one failed administration after another succeeds? Bushs or Clintons, a Reagan or an Obama, nothing at all clues the people of America as to past or current disasters. The mightiest nation that ever was is in need of an exorcism, but nary can a priest be found! The Democratic Party is rigged, the DNC hacks prove it, and the devils underneath just laugh their heads off at us. NOTHING happens! Clinton cheats Sanders, Clinton steals votes by whatever means, and nobody is accountable. Then Sanders deals for his silence! Or at least this is how it appears. Hello America!

Leaving off Clinton and her WikiLeaks troubles for a moment, let’s look at Donald Trump for president. What manner of candidate vies for the highest office in American government, only to pull out his six guns and blow both his feet off? How does a billionaire developer/celebrity even pretend he’s “presidential” by pissing off everybody in America, and even his own party? There’s only one logical explanation, right? Donald Trump as a part of what is known as “the long con”, and in a role as a grifter (con artist), this explains perfectly how this election is being carried off. Election 2016 is nothing more than a confidence con, and the “suckers” are the American people of both parties. Now that I have your attention, let’s look at Clinton and Trump as con artists in an elaborate scheme finally rob America and the world of everything.

With the foundation work and the approach of this ultimate con set up, we can now see how the “build up” phases of Con America was set up so easily. In a normal con game, this phase offers the “mark” (us) an opportunity to profit. In the case of Clinton, the profit is in maintaining the status quo, or in the security of “what is” in America. While outsiders wonder how anybody could ever vote for such a reprehensible figure, the reality is that Americans mostly want to continue consuming, to keep bombing the nameless and faceless, in order to reap the rewards. Sad as this fact is, American has been benefitting from the loss of foreigners since forever. So Clinton’s role is as “good guy” for billionaires and hapless lower middle class people alike. Trump is obviously the “conspirator” who has put his “investment” in the game, in order to convince Americans there is a choice. His role as anti-hero accomplishes a lot. First and foremost, Trump’s outlandish behavior scares the hell out of fence riders. Second, the fringes and moderates within the Democratic party are galvanized for Clinton. The Bernie Sanders supporters having already been cheated, the only logical move is to Clinton. Trump also serves to alienate marginal Republicans, and to virtually assure Clinton has magnanimous support, no matter what scandal ensues. This all amounts to the “pay off” phase of the con, where the mark (us) eyeballs the ultimate win. This would be Clinton as president.

The “Hurrah” phase of a con involves an emergency situation that forces the mark (us) to very quickly make a decision. In this presidential election, the “Hurrah” is pretty much constant. The media hammers Trump like a drum, dampening opposing forces (what is left of them) efforts to reveal Clinton’s malfeasance. In other words, the crooks are covering for the crooks, while the honest bystanders cry into the night. In the final phase of any confidence con, the “In and In” another conspirator appears as a sort of neutral bystander with the same interest as the mark (us), in order to accentuate the legitimacy of the con. This role was played by Sanders, and to a certain extent the billionaire Trump. All these players would seem to have an equal stake in “making American great again” etc.

Now that you can see Election 2016 for what it really is, a kind of “medicine show”, predicting the outcome becomes easy. The outcome will be, more heaping piles of debt and chaos, and the further diluting of any semblance of what America was supposed to be. If Americans do not care about graft and corruption in their leadership, and if conspicuous consumption is all that matters, then a crisis point will be reached, and soon. The world grows weary of our despot-like control of world policy. The people suppressed by our supposed democratic ideals grow poorer by the day. In places like Romania or even embattled Ukraine, the lie that capitalism leads to a veritable “promised land” stinks of a con game. In Spain and in Italy, where the “American Dream” fostered facsimiles there, austerity and unemployment, broken banks and corrupt politics wreak of democracy’s failures. And in the Middle East millions suffer, not from their own despotic leaders’ corruption, but because unseen forces vie for resources that are not their own. The Bushs, Clintons, and Obamas, and yes the “Trumps” too, they’ve made America enemies on every continent. The world grows sick of us, to be blunt.

The unanimous support of the elites for Hillary Clinton is a sign. Miraculously, very few seem to notice. Bipartisan politics dawns the same clown suit in America, but the confidence game has never been fixed so. Trump is meant to lose, but even if he wins the elites win. Not many reading this know about the billionaire’s indebtedness, but nearly everyone knows of his racist views. It is rumored that Trump owes billions that will be forgiven should he follow his role as conspirator in this election. On the racist note, Trump rails daily against a wide disparity of groups. In between all the rumor and legend on Donald Trump, the logic of a presidential campaign makes no sense whatsoever. That is unless my “grifter” theory is correct. But readers want to know the ultimate outcome.

Clinton is 80% sure of being elected. Her administration will differ from Barack Obama’s in one distinctive and horrendous way. By electing a known purjuror and opportunist, a woman WikiLeaks and other sources have revealed as the vilest politician in decades, the American people will have “rubber stamped” the complete takeover of America by the corporate. It is crucial that people understand this simple truth. Wall Street, the London and Luxembourg bankers, the Frankfurt industrialists test the waters of profit daily. Bill Clinton and Yugoslavia was a passed test, so NATO moved onward. Iraq and WOMD was another positive, so the militarists moved on. Georgia, Arab Spring, and Ukraine failed to end in Washington uprising, and here we are. America is using up its last resources like a runaway freight train. Global warming nor nuclear meltdown matter to a people so absorbed by themselves. Electing psychotic opportunists is a clear choice, when lazy human beings just want a simple celebrity choice. There are only two possibilities after this election. Another world war, or America struck down like a third world regime, torn to bits after some economic cataclysm.

Clinton or Trump, maybe this was the ultimate goal after all – the end of America as we once knew it.

Phil Butler, is a policy investigator and analyst, a political scientist and expert on Eastern Europe, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.

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Clinton Family Values: ‘Humanitarian’ War
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James W Carden (Consortium News) 11 hours ago | 664 21
The current debate over the future of U.S. foreign policy is largely over whether the U.S. should continue its self-anointed role as the policeman of the world, or whether it might be wise for the next administration to put, in the words of Donald J. Trump, “America First.”

On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has repeatedly called for a more active U.S. foreign policy. The 2016 election is shaping up to be, among other things, a battle between the inarticulate isolationism of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton’s liberal interventionism. Hers is an approach which came into vogue during the administration of her husband.

During the 1992 campaign, Bill Clinton sought to differentiate himself from President George H.W. Bush by sounding “tough” on foreign policy. At the time, Clinton declared that, unlike Bush, he would “not coddle dictators from Baghdad to Beijing.”

Once in office Clinton departed from policies of his predecessor, whose foreign policy was steered by “realists” such as national security adviser Brent Scowcroft and Secretary of State James A. Baker. Baker’s judgment that the war in the Balkans did not merit American intervention – “we don’t,” said Baker, “have a dog in this fight,” was emblematic of the administration’s approach, which, despite launching interventions in Iraq and Panama, was for the most part, a cautious one.

Bush outraged New York Times columnist William Safire when he warned of the danger that nationalism poses to regional stability. Speaking in Kiev in 1991, Bush promised that “we will not meddle in your internal affairs.”

“Some people,” he continued, “have urged the United States to choose between supporting President Gorbachev and supporting independence-minded leaders throughout the U.S.S.R. I consider this a false choice.”

Such was Bush’s wariness over riling Russia that, according to the historian Mary Elise Sarotte, Secretary of State Baker (along with German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, and German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher) “repeatedly affirmed” to the Soviets “that NATO would not move eastward at all.”

Bush decided that it was best not to rub Russia’s diminished fortunes in its face. Not so President Clinton, who vowed “not let the Iron Curtain be replaced with a veil of indifference.” The Clinton team ignored the advice of Senators Bill Bradley, Sam Nunn and Gary Hart and the former Ambassador to the USSR, Jack Matlock, who all urged the administration to reconsider its policy of NATO expansion. Needless to say, predictions that NATO expansion would have dire consequences for U.S.-Russia relations have come to fruition.

Grandiose Ambitions

Speaking before the U.N. General Assembly in September 1993, President Clinton declared that the U.S. had “the chance to expand the reach of democracy and economic progress across the whole of Europe and to the far reaches of the world.”

At the time, the stars seemed aligned for such a pursuit. In Foreign Affairs, neoconservative writer Charles Krauthammer declared that the end of the Cold War was America’s “unipolar” moment. The pursuit of American global hegemony was not, according to Krauthammer, some “Wilsonian fantasy.” It was, rather, “a matter of sheerest prudence.”

During Clinton’s tenure, the U.S. military was dispatched on ostensibly humanitarian grounds in Somalia (1993), Haiti (1994), Bosnia (1995), and Kosovo (1999). Clinton also directed airstrikes on Sudan in what was said to be an attempt on Osama bin Laden’s life.

Clinton bombed Iraq (1998) over its violations of the NATO enforced no-fly zones. That same year, Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law which stipulated that “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.”

In some ways the now deeply embedded belief in the efficacy and rightness of humanitarian intervention dates back to NATO’s intervention in Bosnia in 1995. The success of the Dayton Accords seemed to cement the idea that America was, after all, the indispensable nation in the minds of the Clinton foreign policy team.

The historian David P. Calleo has observed that while the Clinton administration “had always sported a low-grade Wilsonian rhetoric that implied hegemonic ambitions,” it was only after Dayton that “the policy began to imitate the rhetoric.”

The Clinton administration’s second intervention in the Balkans in 1999, set the template for what George W. Bush attempted in Iraq, and, later, what Barack Obama attempted in Libya. Once again, in the absence of U.N. sanction, Clinton launched a war under humanitarian pretexts. The 77-day aerial bombardment of Serbia carried out by NATO was ostensibly undertaken to prevent what was said to be the looming wholesale slaughter of Albanian Kosovars by Serbian forces.

The intervention in Kosovo not only riled the Russians, it also upset American allies. Shortly before the commencement of hostilities in Kosovo, France’s Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine declared that the United States was not only a superpower, but a “hyper-power.” According to Vedrine, the question of the American hyper-power was “at the center of the world’s current problems.”

Kosovo set a pattern that has held in subsequent interventions in Iraq, Libya and Syria. Advertised (all, or, in part) as interventions on behalf of suffering Muslims, they invariably end up strengthening the hand of those who are declared enemies of the U.S.: Sunni Islamic extremists.

By the end of Bill Clinton’s tenure, the prudence exhibited by George H.W. Bush had long since vanished. Given her record, should Hillary Clinton win in November, the elder Bush’s foreign policy “realism” will have little chance of reappearing.

James W Carden is a contributing writer for The Nation and editor of The American Committee for East-West Accord’s eastwestaccord.com. He previously served as an advisor on Russia to the Special Representative for Global Inter-governmental Affairs at the US State Department.
 

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''TO be an Enemy of the United States is DANGEROUS...
"TO be an Ally is FATAL" Henry Kissinger.

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"the USA doesn't really need friends or allies..
''what america wants are Vassals"...

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"We must have a world in which it is AMERICA that writes the Rules".

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bad choices indeed! As Glenn Beck said recently, it's a choice between taking arsenic that might be past its sell by date, or hanging yourself with a frayed rope. Had to laugh! Although in my view on candidate might be corrupt (Hillary), the other is not allowing us to determine whether he is or not (and any intelligent person should ask themselves why). I find Trump untenable though, because of his flirtation with the worst elements of American society and his dangerous ignorance about what it takes to govern.
 

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Why Did Saudis and Other Gulf Tyrannies Donate Millions to Clinton Foundation?
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AS THE NUMEROUS and obvious ethical conflicts surrounding the Clinton Foundation receive more media scrutiny, the tactic of Clinton-loyal journalists is to highlight the charitable work done by the foundation, and then insinuate — or even outright state — that anyone raising these questions is opposed to its charity. James Carville announced that those who criticize the foundation are “going to hell.” Other Clinton loyalists insinuated that Clinton Foundation critics are indifferent to the lives of HIV-positive babies or are anti-gay bigots.

That the Clinton Foundation has done some good work is beyond dispute. But that fact has exactly nothing to do with the profound ethical problems and corruption threats raised by the way its funds have been raised. Hillary Clinton was America’s chief diplomat, and tyrannical regimes such as the Saudis and Qataris jointly donated tens of millions of dollars to an organization run by her family and operated in its name, one whose works has been a prominent feature of her public persona. That extremely valuable opportunity to curry favor with the Clintons, and to secure access to them, continues as she runs for president.

The claim that this is all just about trying to help people in need should not even pass a laugh test, let alone rational scrutiny. To see how true that is, just look at who some of the biggest donors are. Although it did not give while she was secretary of state, the Saudi regime by itself has donated between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation, with donations coming as late as 2014, as she prepared her presidential run. A group called “Friends of Saudi Arabia,” co-founded “by a Saudi Prince,” gave an additional amount between $1 million and $5 million. The Clinton Foundation says that between $1 million and $5 million was also donated by“the State of Qatar,” the United Arab Emirates, and the government of Brunei. “The State of Kuwait” has donated between $5 million and $10 million.

Theoretically, one could say that these regimes — among the most repressive and regressive in the world — are donating because they deeply believe in the charitable work of the Clinton Foundation and want to help those in need. Is there a single person on the planet who actually believes this? Is Clinton loyalty really so strong that people are going to argue with a straight face that the reason the Saudi, Qatari, Kuwaiti and Emirates regimes donated large amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation is because those regimes simply want to help the foundation achieve its magnanimous goals?

Here’s one of the Clinton Foundation’s principal objectives; decide for yourself if its tyrannical donors are acting with the motive of advancing that charitable goal:

All those who wish to argue that the Saudis donated millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation out of a magnanimous desire to aid its charitable causes, please raise your hand. Or take the newfound casting of the Clinton Foundation as a champion of LGBTs, and the smearing of its critics as indifferent to AIDS. Are the Saudis also on board with these benevolent missions? And the Qataris and Kuwaitis?

Which is actually more homophobic: questioning the Clinton Foundation’s lucrative relationship to those intensely anti-gay regimes, or cheering and defending that relationship? All the evidence points to the latter. But whatever else is true, it is a blatant insult to everyone’s intelligence to claim that the motive of these regimes in transferring millions to the Clinton Foundation is a selfless desire to help them in their noble work.

Another primary project of the Clinton Foundation is the elimination of wealth inequality, which “leads to significant economic disparities, both within and among countries, and prevents underserved populations from realizing their potential.” Who could possibly maintain that the reason the Qatari and Emirates regimes donated millions to the Clinton Foundation was their desire to eliminate such economic oppression?

It doesn’t exactly take a jaded disposition to doubt that these donations from some of the world’s most repressive regimes are motivated by a desire to aid the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work. To the contrary, it just requires basic rationality. That’s particularly true given that these regimes “have donated vastly more money to the Clinton Foundation than they have to most other large private charities involved in the kinds of global work championed by the Clinton family.” For some mystifying reason, they seem particularly motivated to transfer millions to the Clinton Foundation but not the other charities around the world doing similar work. Why might that be? What could ever explain it?

Some Clinton partisans, unwilling to claim that Gulf tyrants have charity in their hearts when they make these donations to the Clinton Foundation, have settled on a different tactic: grudgingly acknowledging that the motive of these donations is to obtain access and favors, but insisting that no quid pro quo can be proven. In other words, these regimes were tricked: They thought they would get all sorts of favors through these millions in donations, but Hillary Clinton was simply too honest and upstanding of a public servant to fulfill their expectations.

The reality is that there is ample evidence uncovered by journalistssuggesting that regimes donating money to the Clinton Foundation received special access to and even highly favorable treatment from the Clinton State Department. But it’s also true that nobody can dispositively prove the quid pro quo. Put another way, one cannot prove what was going on inside Hillary Clinton’s head at the time that she gave access to or otherwise acted in the interests of these donor regimes: Was she doing it as a favor in return for those donations, or simply because she has a proven affinity for Gulf State and Arab dictators, or because she was merely continuing decades of U.S. policy of propping up pro-U.S. tyrants in the region?

While this “no quid pro quo proof” may be true as far as it goes, it’s extremely ironic that Democrats have embraced it as a defense of Hillary Clinton. After all, this has long been the primary argument of Republicans who oppose campaign finance reform, and indeed, it was the primary argument of the Citizens United majority, once depicted by Democrats as the root of all evil. But now, Democrats have to line up behind a politician who, along with her husband, specializes in uniting political power with vast private wealth, in constantly exploiting the latter to gain the former, and vice versa. So Democrats are forced to jettison all the good-government principles they previously claimed to believe and instead are now advocating the crux of the right-wing case against campaign finance reform: that large donations from vested factions are not inherently corrupting of politics or politicians.

Indeed, as I documented in April, Clinton-defending Democrats have now become the most vocal champions of the primary argument used by the Citizens United majority. “We now conclude,” wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy for the Citizens United majority, “that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.” That is now exactly the argument Clinton loyalists are spouting to defend the millions in donations from tyrannical regimes (as well as Wall Street banks and hedge funds): Oh, there’s no proof there’s any corruption going on with all of this money.

The elusive nature of quid pro quo proof — now the primary Democratic defense of Clinton — has also long been the principal argument wielded by the most effective enemy of campaign finance reform, GOP Sen. Mitch McConnell. This is how USA Today, in 1999, described the arguments of McConnell and his GOP allies when objecting to accusations from campaign finance reform advocates that large financial donations are corrupting:

Senate opponents of limiting money in politics injected a bitter personal note into the debate as reformers began an uphill quest to change a system they say has corrupted American government. …

Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the legislation’s chief opponent, challenged reform advocate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to name Senate colleagues who have been corrupted by high-dollar political contributions.

”How can there be corruption if no one is corrupt?” McConnell asked, zeroing in on McCain’s frequent speeches about the issue in his presidential campaign. ”That’s like saying the gang is corrupt but none of the gangsters are.”

When McCain refused to name names, Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, confronted him. Standing just eight feet from him on the Republican side of the chamber, Bennett charged that McCain had accused him of corruption in seeking pork-barrel spending for his home state.

”I am unaware of any money given that influenced my action here,” Bennett said. ”I have been accused of being corrupt. … I take personal offense.”

The inability to prove that politicians acted as quid pro quo when taking actions that benefited donors has long been the primary weapon of those opposing campaign finance reform. It is now the primary argument of Democratic partisans to defend Hillary Clinton. In Citizens United, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote a scathing dissent on exactly this point, one that Democrats once cheered:

So if you want to defend the millions of dollars that went from tyrannical regimes to the Clinton Foundation as some sort of wily, pragmatic means of doing good work, go right ahead. But stop insulting everyone’s intelligence by pretending that these donations were motivated by noble ends. Beyond that, don’t dare exploit LGBT rights, AIDS, and other causes to smear those who question the propriety of receiving millions of dollars from the world’s most repressive, misogynistic, gay-hating regimes. Most important, accept that your argument in defense of all these tawdry relationships — that big-money donations do not necessarily corrupt the political process or the politicians who are their beneficiaries — has been and continues to be the primary argument used to sabotage campaign finance reform.

Given who their candidate is, Democrats really have no choice but to insist that these sorts of financial relationships are entirely proper (needless to say, Goldman Sachs has also donated millions to the Clinton Foundation, but Democrats proved long ago they don’t mind any of that when they even insisted that it was perfectly fine that Goldman Sachs enriched both Clintons personally with numerous huge speaking fees — though Democrats have no trouble understanding why Trump’s large debts to Chinese banks and Goldman Sachs pose obvious problems). But — just as is true of theirresurrecting a Cold War template and its smear tactics against their critics — the benefits derived from this tactic should not obscure how toxic it is and how enduring its consequences will likely be.
 

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No, every other member of government is not as qualified as she is.''

no indeed. she's just most qualified to lie brazenly.


''She is extraordinarily qualified'' to launch the world into nuclear war to show how progressive and liberal she is and has balls bigger than Bill's or any man....

'' and whether you agree with her politics or not, it's not like she's been "wrong throughout" her political life.''

that's why lots of people not onl do not agree with her politics -- lots of people around the world are FRIGHTENED of her lust and eagerness fo more blood...as people should be afaid of a hybrid vampire and zombie...

'' She has done an enormous amount of good.''

definitely definitely -- for her friends in wall street and the likes of the financiers of terrorism like those democracy loving SAUDI ROYALS...

'' In addition, she has political relationships and allies in the Senate and around the world that no one else can claim''

BECAUSE she really gets them access to lots of money...so long as they give generously to Hillary's and Billy's family bank account...
 
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