This is old, I did not reply instantly because otherwise we would just keep debating while agreeing not to debate. But just to get things straight for future debates: I did not make a factual inaccuracy. I said that HRC is a proven liar, which is a fact in practically any way you look at it. Then you replied with a long analysis of her psyche/background/political inclinations, saying that you need all this to understand her actions. Fair enough, but it is about that that I can't be bothered.
The debate I did not want to enter, but it seems to be impossible to escape, is the TrumpxHRC one. But, to set one thing straight: One of the reasons I was "happy" for Trump winning is that I was pretty sure that it would be worse for the US -- and even if I don't have anything against it, I don't like an hegemonic power calling all the shots in the world. The best thing that could happen (to the world at that time) was an incompetent US president.
I too am perfectly happy to see an end to US hegemony. Contrary to some very superficial assumptions here I'm not an Americano-phile. I do think that the American people are good, and in terms of culture they're definitely on the plus side. I do get a bit irritated by the narrative that they're on the side of the light, so we should just accept that they have the right to impose their military power where they choose and it's automatically a good thing. I mean.. good grief.. America is the only country in the world that's used nuclear weapons, so it's a bit rich to try to stop others from acquiring the same technology.
But what I see in US politics at the moment is a global threat. We have the very real possibility that the President of the United States is in effect an agent of another government. Just look at this last weekend, after a really innocuous statement from Trudeau, Trump acts like the guy had said something terrible about Trump or the US. It's frightening to live in a world where you just know the majority of Trump's supporters haven't even bothered to look at the facts and just take Trump at his word.
As for HRC as a liar, she is no more a liar than any other politician. American politics is incredibly misogynistic. You only have to look at the reaction to Pelosi as well. You don't have to be a supporter of their politics to realise that the attacks against both of them are over and above what it would have been had they been men. It's truly astounding to me that a country that deludes itself into thinking it is culturally more advanced than anywhere else in the world is still very much in the dark ages. America is a complex and confusing beast to say the least.
Your riposte that HRC is a liar would be excusable if I was talking to a Joe Blow in a pub over a pint or two. But I have had the pleasure of debating with you for a few years now, and we've even had some interesting PM debates, so I know that you are in fact a very intelligent person. So it's not good enough. HRC is not exceptional when it comes to mendacity. One of her greatest faults is a default setting where she tries to parse the truth and side step the core accusations against her. Something that was fine in a bygone age, but in an era of hyper-partisanship it's the very definition of why electorates everywhere in advanced democracies hate politicians. It's incredibly inauthentic. The woman could have dealt with her email problems with a simple mea culpa and resetting speech. Just like Obama did with his pastor controversy in the 08 election. But she truly is one of the worst politicians I've encountered in the last few decades. Funnily enough Theresa May makes her look like the second coming of FDR. I don't know why some of these top female politicians are so bad in this day and age, but it's something for the fairer sex to ponder if they want to take their rightful place at the table. I have watched Clinton's evolution as a politician ever since her husband started his rise to national politics, a lot of the so called dark stuff has been manufactured over the decades to build a character that doesn't match reality. Say what you want but the GOP has a talent for identifying threats and neutralising them. I don't blame the American electorate though. The fault lies with a Democratic Party ethos that is so constitutionally incapable of controlling a narrative it's mind blowing. Consider that we are about to go into mid-term elections where one party has openly supported a child molester, blatantly given tax cuts to extremely wealthy individuals at the expense of the middle class, damaged a health care system not even for ideological reasons, is currently separating babies from parents and caging them, fielding candidates who openly support white supremacy and deny the holocaust, is running a massive fiscal deficit at the worst time in the economic cycle and yet.. and yet... none of these things is being discussed as an argument for that party's unfitness for office by the opposition party? Did you notice what I didn't mention? I didn't mention an ongoing Special Counsel investigation that has led to more charges of key personnel quicker than any Special Counsel investigation in American history. All of this happening and there's a question about whether the party of opposition will win in November. It's stunning. But it illustrates the incompetence necessary for a leading candidate like HRC to be tarnished the way she has been over the last few decades with no real resistance. If you did the work to really understand the politics at play you would realise the sheer laziness "HRC is a proven liar" implies
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