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Kieran said:Novak's now gone to 12-9 in GS finals. Not a great ratio, to be fair...
Rafa is 14-6 or 14-7====..what's Rogers
Kieran said:Novak's now gone to 12-9 in GS finals. Not a great ratio, to be fair...
the AntiPusher said:Kieran said:Novak's now gone to 12-9 in GS finals. Not a great ratio, to be fair...
Rafa is 14-6 or 14-7====..what's Rogers
rafanoy1992 said:the AntiPusher said:Kieran said:Novak's now gone to 12-9 in GS finals. Not a great ratio, to be fair...
Rafa is 14-6 or 14-7====..what's Rogers
Federer: 17-10 (63%)
Nadal: 14-6 (70%)
Djokovic: 12-9 (57%)
Murray: 3-8 (27%)
Wawrinka: 3-0 (100%)
Other than Wawrinka's record, Nadal has the highest ratio out of these players.
I did some research for myself about The Big Four's record in GS finals when losing and winning the first set:
Federer: 13-3 (81%) when winning the 1st set
4-7 (36%) when losing the 1st set
Nadal: 11-1 (91.6%) when winning the 1st set
3-5 (37.1%) when losing the 1st set
Djokovic: 7-3 (70%) when winning the 1st set
5-6 (45%) when losing the 1st set
Murray: 3-2 (60%) when winning the 1st set
0-6 (0%) when losing the 1st set
By looking at the numbers: Nadal is the best at winning a major after leading 1 sets to love. Meanwhile, Djokovic is the best player at winning a major after losing the 1st set.
What's so interesting about Djokovic GS Finals record is that he has played more GS finals matches in which he lost the 1st set than he wins the first set. What's so fascinating about this even more is that before 2015, he had 10 matches in which he lost the 1st set (4-6) and 4 matches in which he won the 1st set (3-1).
Clearly, part of the reason Djokovic has a "so-so" GS finals record is that he more often than not will start slow. While he has won 5 slams after losing the 1st set, it is also a big reason on why he has 9 losses.
Yes, I think especially the first serve percentage which is abysmal for his precision based style of serving, made it fairly obvious that he wasn't ready to play at his top level yet. It's hard to tell if this was the result of something being wrong right now or his problems before and during the tournament negatively affected practicing the serve or forced him to change his service motion in a way where he isn't comfortable with it at the moment. But this tournament overall was probably the worst he served since 2010.rafanoy1992 said:Congratulations to Stan Wawrinka! He once again proved that he is a nemesis to Djokovic (at slams) and when he is ON, he is very tough to beat at a Slam.
As for Djokovic, all the physical nagging injuries finally caught up to him at the final. Also, he became Federer at this year's US Open final with an abysmal 3 for 17 (18%) on break points conversion. Finally, he only served 51% for the whole match so there was something wrong with his shoulder.
Carol35 said:GameSetAndMath said:kskate2 said:You are allowed several toilet breaks throughout a 5 setter. A shower is a diff story.
...... and nobody can say for sure that he actually took a shower. It is just a rumor.
It wasn't a rumor, it was a reality and during his last match in the USO he took another toilet break and his coach was with him :cover
kskate2 said:Carol35 said:GameSetAndMath said:...... and nobody can say for sure that he actually took a shower. It is just a rumor.
It wasn't a rumor, it was a reality and during his last match in the USO he took another toilet break and his coach was with him :cover
How do you know his coach was with him on the toilet break? Where are you getting this information? The players are escorted to the locker room by tournament staff for toilet breaks so no one can talk to them during MTO's or toilet breaks.
shawnbm said:By teh way, Kieran, is Ellsworth Vines gone for good?
Kieran said:Just watched extended highlights, and it reminded me of a lot of big matches Nole lost, where the opponent just wouldn't wilt under that defensive onslaught, and Nole eventually ran out of clues on how to win it, bar pulling a dodgy MTO, which thankfully didn't upset Stan enough for him to drop serve, which was its intended purpose. Nole has been making hay against players who are either in decline, or else players who are never going to make the grade, and this has caused an inflated reckoning on his share price, imo. He's still a great player, still occasionally brittle if they stand up to him, but I'm glad Stan won this one because of the way he won, and also because Nole's draw - beating JJ, MIA and AWOL - was such a boon to him.
Stan looked swaggering and hitting one-handed backhands like they were back in fashion. He is a big match player - now. He wasn't always, and he's not consistent at it, but that's 3 seasons in a row he's won a major, and it's 11 finals in a row he's won, which is great for him, and the game.
Oh, and isn't his girlfriend gorgeous! :basiate
DarthFed said:Kieran said:Just watched extended highlights, and it reminded me of a lot of big matches Nole lost, where the opponent just wouldn't wilt under that defensive onslaught, and Nole eventually ran out of clues on how to win it, bar pulling a dodgy MTO, which thankfully didn't upset Stan enough for him to drop serve, which was its intended purpose. Nole has been making hay against players who are either in decline, or else players who are never going to make the grade, and this has caused an inflated reckoning on his share price, imo. He's still a great player, still occasionally brittle if they stand up to him, but I'm glad Stan won this one because of the way he won, and also because Nole's draw - beating JJ, MIA and AWOL - was such a boon to him.
Stan looked swaggering and hitting one-handed backhands like they were back in fashion. He is a big match player - now. He wasn't always, and he's not consistent at it, but that's 3 seasons in a row he's won a major, and it's 11 finals in a row he's won, which is great for him, and the game.
Oh, and isn't his girlfriend gorgeous! :basiate
You make it sound like Nole is just a good defensive player. He has much more offensive shotmaking than a certain player I don't care for, a certain player who is noted for being the best defensive player of all time. Nole's stock price is not inflated, most still have him behind Pete and Nadal despite the fact he won the Nole slam (Pete was garbage on clay) and has been a dominant #1 for a long time now (something Rafa never was). Rafa wasn't on the decline until mid-2014, which is 3 years after Djokovic usurped him as the best player in the world.