US Open - Day 8 - Discussion (Men)

[Kieran]

Or maybe Nadal is such an exceptional talent that he's managed to win so much with a unremarkable serve? Yeah, maybe that.

don't want to take a joke too serious - but i'd kind of assume that ElDude meant Rafa's serve right now, not while he was winning slams. and fore sure not during the '13 USO for example.
that said, Isner's 2nd serves amazing today. i think he won a game down from 0-40 using exclusively 2nd ones... actually, at times it seemed like there were better than his 1st serves, because Fed basically manhandled those. :snicker

I wasn't responding to El Dude's comment. I was responding to Busted. El Dude's comment is actually accurate. Isner's second serve is actually a lot trickier than many players' first, let alone Rafa's WTA 2015 serve.

Can't teach that sort of height, so the kick he gets on his second serve can be a lot more difficult to handle than say, a regular 185 kmp first serve from David Ferrer.

You can teach that kind of height. Didn't your mammy ever tell you to eat your greens? :snicker

 

[Carol]

Is someone surprised with the yesterday result? Isner has reached just once the USO QF (2011) losing against Muzz. But what I saw yesterday if he would have played just a little better he would have reached the QF again but even with that torpedo serve he has horrible returns, horrible at the net and more horrible his movement and the half volleys, so what do you were expecting? :cover :nono

 

[mrzz]

Is someone surprised with the yesterday result? Isner has reached just once the USO QF (2011) losing against Muzz. But what I saw yesterday if he would have played just a little better he would have reached the QF again but even with that torpedo serve he has horrible returns, horrible at the net and more horrible his movement and the half volleys, so what do you were expecting? :cover :nono

He lost in straights. If he had played a little better maybe he would have lost 3x1, or scored a point or two in the first set breaker.

 

[shawnbm]

In light of broken commenting on Rafa winning as he has with that service, I used to say the same thing about Connors. I used to say that in his epoch, the players ought to be thankful he doesn't have a serve like any number of guys or he'd be unbeatable. Nadal in his prime reminded me of Jimbo quite a bit, but then every great has a little chink in the armour--the service was it for Connors and Nadal. Roger's was the one handed backhand against a certain lefty fh and spin serve. One could go on.

 

[Carol]

Is someone surprised with the yesterday result? Isner has reached just once the USO QF (2011) losing against Muzz. But what I saw yesterday if he would have played just a little better he would have reached the QF again but even with that torpedo serve he has horrible returns, horrible at the net and more horrible his movement and the half volleys, so what do you were expecting? :cover :nono

He lost in straights. If he had played a little better maybe he would have lost 3x1, or scored a point or two in the first set breaker.

Well, we will never know what would have been the score if Isner would have played better but I know how much work Roger had to do to win those three sets and Isner wasn't playing well uzzled

 

[britbox]

^ Well we know the score based on what actually happened.

How do you think it would have panned out IF Roger had broken his toe IF he'd have kicked the Statue of Liberty?

 

[DarthFed]

Is someone surprised with the yesterday result? Isner has reached just once the USO QF (2011) losing against Muzz. But what I saw yesterday if he would have played just a little better he would have reached the QF again but even with that torpedo serve he has horrible returns, horrible at the net and more horrible his movement and the half volleys, so what do you were expecting? :cover :nono

He lost in straights. If he had played a little better maybe he would have lost 3x1, or scored a point or two in the first set breaker.

Well, we will never know what would have been the score if Isner would have played better but I know how much work Roger had to do to win those three sets and Isner wasn't playing well uzzled

Isner was playing about as well as could be expected. He was definitely doing better from the baseline than normal and he saved the first 9 BP's.

 

[DarthFed]

Is someone surprised with the yesterday result? Isner has reached just once the USO QF (2011) losing against Muzz. But what I saw yesterday if he would have played just a little better he would have reached the QF again but even with that torpedo serve he has horrible returns, horrible at the net and more horrible his movement and the half volleys, so what do you were expecting? :cover :nono

Some day you should think about coming back from Wonderland, Narnia or whatever alternate world you reside in :cover

 

[Johnsteinbeck]

seems people were REALLY impressed with Anderson's display - he gets better odds than Cilic for winning the whole thing...

 

[isabelle]

seems people were REALLY impressed with Anderson's display - he gets better odds than Cilic for winning the whole thing...

I'ld be really surprised if he won the whole thing indeed !!

 

[Kieran]

seems people were REALLY impressed with Anderson's display - he gets better odds than Cilic for winning the whole thing...

That's just silly, isn't it? :cover

 

[DarthFed]

Especially crazy when you consider how much time Anderson spent on court yesterday. Given their history you have to give KA a decent chance vs. Stan but who knows if he will recover in time.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

seems people were REALLY impressed with Anderson's display - he gets better odds than Cilic for winning the whole thing...

That's just silly, isn't it? :cover

This is an usual ploy by the betting houses. If they keep the odds very large, then everybody (including non-fans of tennis) will realize that he does not have chance and so the betting house will lose out on easy money. So, initially they keep the odds fairly good, so that lot of suckers put more money into him.

 

[Kieran]

Amazing, but they know what they're doing.

Darth, what's the record between KA and Stan, do you know? I can't access H2H properly on the old dog and bone...

 

[DarthFed]

Amazing, but they know what they're doing.

Darth, what's the record between KA and Stan, do you know? I can't access H2H properly on the old dog and bone...

4-3 and KA has won the last 4. Not sure if they've met at a major before though.

 

[Johnsteinbeck]

seems people were REALLY impressed with Anderson's display - he gets better odds than Cilic for winning the whole thing...

That's just silly, isn't it? :cover

This is an usual ploy by the betting houses. If they keep the odds very large, then everybody (including non-fans of tennis) will realize that he does not have chance and so the betting house will lose out on easy money. So, initially they keep the odds fairly good, so that lot of suckers put more money into him.

yeah - but we're talking about rather high odds anyway. Anderson is at 34.00 (aka 33/1 aka +3300; same as Tsonga), while Cilic is at 41.00 (40/1, +4000). so i don't know how many suckers they'll lure with that.

Nole is at 1.73 (73/100, -137), Fed at 2.75 (7/4, +175), Stan at 10 (9/1, +900).

so basically, what they're saying is that Nole is the favorite, Fed next, Stan a long shot and everything else is just silly.

 

[Carol]

Is someone surprised with the yesterday result? Isner has reached just once the USO QF (2011) losing against Muzz. But what I saw yesterday if he would have played just a little better he would have reached the QF again but even with that torpedo serve he has horrible returns, horrible at the net and more horrible his movement and the half volleys, so what do you were expecting? :cover :nono

Some day you should think about coming back from Wonderland, Narnia or whatever alternate world you reside in :cover

I live in the real life and that's why I said what I said or are you going to tell me now that Isner played a brillant match? really? then who lives in Wondeland? come on!

 

[Johnsteinbeck]

Is someone surprised with the yesterday result? Isner has reached just once the USO QF (2011) losing against Muzz. But what I saw yesterday if he would have played just a little better he would have reached the QF again but even with that torpedo serve he has horrible returns, horrible at the net and more horrible his movement and the half volleys, so what do you were expecting? :cover :nono

Some day you should think about coming back from Wonderland, Narnia or whatever alternate world you reside in :cover

I live in the real life and that's why I said what I said or are you going to tell me now that Isner played a brillant match? really? then who lives in Wondeland? come on!

uhm, he even highlighted therelevant part: you said that if Isner would have played just a little better he would have beat Fed. this is simply ridiculous. with Isner, matches should always come down to a couple of points, so yeah, we saw two tbs... but really, this was rather close to him being dominated. yes, Fed didn't shine throughout, but he came through when it mattered (even if it meant having to return a 140 mph serve), and rather handily at that.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Of the 8 players who were supposed to make QF, only 3 made it. This I think is rare in Men's tennis. Can someone tell me when was the last GS in which a similar thing happened?

Does anyone have a real answer for this question?

 

[Denis]

2009 FO?