The Ultimate FEDAL (Wars) Thread

[Nadalfan2013]

Yes I can , it’s a comparison of the 3 you genius.
I don’t talk about your goat shit. You pray Nadal, and I show you he isn’t gold in many and different ways.
Where did I only focus on slam titles?

you posted Nada1, D2kovic and F3derer, I asked you where is he no 1? And gave examples where he isn’t.

Read your post again. You wrote:

Slams: Federer>Nadal>Novak
H2h: Novak>Nadal>Federer

It should be either:

Slams: Federer>Nadal>Novak
Slam h2h: Nadal>Novak>Federer

OR

Titles: Federer>Nadal>Novak
H2h: Novak>Nadal>Federer

but you can't mention Slam titles and then only use regular h2h just because that combination makes Novak look better. Either it's overall titles with overall h2h, or either it's slam titles with slam h2h. I'm done explaining this to you but as long as you make that mistake I will keep correcting you.

If every h2h match counts then every title counts. But if you want to specifically mention slam titles because they are more important than the slam h2h are also more important.

 

[Bonaca]

Read your post again. You wrote:

Slams: Federer>Nadal>Novak
H2h: Novak>Nadal>Federer

It should be either:

Slams: Federer>Nadal>Novak
Slam h2h: Nadal>Novak>Federer

OR

Titles: Federer>Nadal>Novak
H2h: Novak>Nadal>Federer

but you can't mention Slam titles and then only use regular h2h just because that combination makes Novak look better. Either it's overall titles with overall h2h, or either it's slam titles with slam h2h. I'm done explaining this to you but as long as you make that mistake I will keep correcting you.

I also wrote weeks at no 1, no word about that from you.
I explained my intention above, read it again.
It will not become truth or convincing by always repeating the same selecting stuff.

Please ask your dog, I’m sure he\she/it can explain it to you.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

I also wrote weeks at no 1, no word about that from you.
I explained my intention above, read it again.

Please ask your dog, I’m sure he\she/it can explain it to you.

Of course because I have no problem with the weeks at no.1 since it's not a logic mistake on your part that needs to be corrected. But using slam titles with overall h2h is flawed. Either use slam titles with slam h2h or use overall titles with overall h2h, don't mix the two just because you feel like it.

 

[Bonaca]

Of course because I have no problem with the weeks at no.1 since it's not a logic mistake on your part that needs to be corrected. But using slam titles with overall h2h is flawed. Either use slam titles with slam h2h or use overall titles with overall h2h, don't mix the two just because you feel like it.

3 different stats/records.
If you select that part of h2h that you like why not splitting the slam record in different surfaces? We can split everything and highlight the parts that favour our favourite .

i don’t select/separate anything in the slam record, at weeks no1 and also not in their h2h records

 

[Nadalfan2013]

3 different stats/records.
If you select that part of h2h that you like why not splitting the slam record in different surfaces? We can split everything and highlight the parts that favour our favourite .

i don’t select/separate anything in the slam record, at weeks no1 and also not in their h2h records

no, splitting the slam titles in different surfaces would be the equivalent of splitting the slam h2h in different surfaces...

The combos are:

Slam titles & slam h2h

Overall titles & overall h2h

Not

Slam titles & overall h2h

If slam titles are more important than regular atp 250,500,1000 titles then slam h2h is more important than regular atp 250,500,1000 h2h.

That’s why you Novak fans brag about how the nextgen have only beaten Novak in regular tournaments and that they are not a threat yet unless they beat him in a slam.

Go back to school.

 

[Bonaca]

no, splitting the slam titles in different surfaces would be the equivalent of splitting the slam h2h in different surfaces...

The combos are:

Slam titles & slam h2h

Overall titles & overall h2h

Not

Slam titles & overall h2h

If slam titles are more important than regular atp 250,500,1000 titles then slam h2h is more important than regular atp 250,500,1000 h2h.

That’s why you Novak fans brag about how the nextgen have only beaten Novak in regular tournaments and that they are not a threat yet unless they beat him in a slam.

Go back to school.

It’s your combo, and I understand why.
No matter what selection you make or how you want to pimp his stats , the more you lift your goddess, the more important was the negative h2h against Novak.
All his inhuman stamina, physical power and what you will call talent wasn’t enough to have a positive h2h against a player he played more than 50 times against.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

It’s your combo, and I understand why.
No matter what selection you make or how you want to pimp his stats , the more you lift your goddess, the more important was the negative h2h against Novak.
All his inhuman stamina, physical power and what you will call talent wasn’t enough to have a positive h2h against a player he played more than 50 times against.

A 26-28 h2h with a 9-6 edge in slams is actually better for Nadal. Everyone knows that Djokovic would rather be 26-28 but 9-6 in slams over Nadal except you. Unless Djokovic eventually has a winning slam h2h over Nadal or unless he ends up with a huge overall lead like 40-26 to make up for it, then you should not brag about anything.

As things stand, everyone would rather pick Nadal cause even though they have a very close overall h2h, Nadal has a clear edge in the slam h2h which is by far the most important. Nadal & Djokovic lose to many people outside the slams cause they are not at their 100% strongest, it takes much more to beat them in a slam cause they take these matches like they are life or death.

But keep putting things like an atp250 match at the same level as a slam match and keep ridiculing yourself.

I'm not dismissing the overall h2h as completely unimportant but don't use it in the same sentence as slam titles. If you are comparing the big 3 and are using slam titles to do it, then use with it the slam h2h. However if you want to talk about their overall h2h then talk about their overall titles instead not the slams. Don't mix things.

 

[monfed]

I don't think there is any sportsman let alone a tennis player who has overachieved as much as Nadull.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

I don't think there is any sportsman let alone a tennis player who has overachieved as much as Nadull.

There, there

 

[Bonaca]

A 26-28 h2h with a 9-6 edge in slams is actually better for Nadal. Everyone knows that Djokovic would rather be 26-28 but 9-6 in slams over Nadal except you. Unless Djokovic eventually has a winning slam h2h over Nadal or unless he ends up with a huge overall lead like 40-26 to make up for it, then you should not brag about anything.

As things stand, everyone would rather pick Nadal cause even though they have a very close overall h2h, Nadal has a clear edge in the slam h2h which is by far the most important. Nadal & Djokovic lose to many people outside the slams cause they are not at their 100% strongest, it takes much more to beat them in a slam cause they take these matches like they are life or death.

But keep putting things like an atp250 match at the same level as a slam match and keep ridiculing yourself.

I'm not dismissing the overall h2h as completely unimportant but don't use it in the same sentence as slam titles. If you are comparing the big 3 and are using slam titles to do it, then use with it the slam h2h. However if you want to talk about their overall h2h then talk about their overall titles instead not the slams. Don't mix things.

So finally , in your last paragraph you wrote what I was talking about the whole time! The overall h2h of these two could never be unimportant. I do not mix, I look separately on these different stats.
And while you pray Nadal so much, I show you why I think there are different ways to look at the goatness theme.
I never wrote it’s a huge difference in h2h, but when Nadal is that good, it’s pretty remarkable that one is still able to beat him that often. If Novak is that shit to you, how could he manage that? Only luck or injured Nadal?
Slam h2h: 9:6 Nadal, two wins of him by retirement because of injury, since Novak’s breakthrough 2011 it’s 6:4 Novak.
For me I’m fine with this , let’s call it mini-agreement!

 

[Front242]

Then it means that every single tournament they played counts including atp250, atp500!

Therefore Connors is the GOAT so stop mentioning slams!

You can't keep using h2h in atp250, 500, 1000 and then in the same post focus only on slam titles and not also on atp250, 500, 1000 titles! Get it???? :cuckoo:

I'm fine with Connors being the GOAT if it means and you and the other Nadal idiot just stfu.

 

[brokenshoelace]

It is certainly a great match. I agree with that. But, calling it "the greatest tennis match ever" is total hyperbole.

I mean, it may not be, especially given how subjective this is (and in that sense I disagree with @Moxie's analogy re: calling someone the GOAT as we have a lot of objective parameters to determine that), but it certainly has a case for being the greatest match ever given the stakes, drama, participants, time, year, etc...

In order to put it in perspective, what are some of the commonly accepted "greatest matches of all time"? I don't see how the Wimbledon final in 2008 wouldn't be up there with all of them. I mean, if you accept, for example, that it's a top 10 match of all time, or even top 15...that's 15 matches among literally hundreds of thousands of matches played. That alone makes it non hyperbole.

 

[Andy22]

Nadal also the second best returner of all time after Djokovic of course then nadal goes into god mode he beats everyone anywhere.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Nadal also the second best returner of all time after Djokovic of course then nadal goes into god mode he beats everyone anywhere.

Nadal isn't even the second best returner of his generation.

 

[Andy22]

Nadal isn't even the second best returner of his generation.

yes nadal is second best returner of all time] best ever on [clay] if think not that's your dumb low IQ opinion which I did not ask for? why you even replying to me then you said never would lol because you have missing brain cells and most likely home schooled.

 

[Andy22]

nadal also the best server in clay court history as well to the point where its a big thing to even break him its like OMG then it happens, in his 20s he was clearly the best mover in tennis history just edging murray-djokovic who was like wall themselves.

 

[Bonaca]

nadal also the best server in clay court history as well to the point where its a big thing to even break him its like OMG then it happens, in his 20s he was clearly the best mover in tennis history just edging murray-djokovic who was like wall themselves.

He took every possible significant record on clay, no one is close to that.
I think also he is the best mover. His serve becomes better and better. I think his stamina and movement makes him so hard to break and mental toughness.
To beat him one must have incredible consistent shotmaking and stamina, on clay nearly impossible when he is healthy. Even harder in best of 5.
In all the years only Novak finds the mix to do significant damage to him and it became one of the greatest rivalries in tennis history.
Only Novak defeated Nadal in four clay finals and beat him in straight sets in RG.
Most of Novak’s most important losses were against Nadal.
Remember the Madrid SF 2009, what a Battle that was. No one beat Novak that often.

You can dislike someone how he look like, how he behave on court or off court, but what both did is simply amazing!
It seems it will came to an end sooner than we like, let’s enjoy everything they will give us.

 

[Andy22]

He took every possible significant record on clay, no one is close to that.
I think also he is the best mover. His serve becomes better and better. I think his stamina and movement makes him so hard to break and mental toughness.
To beat him one must have incredible consistent shotmaking and stamina, on clay nearly impossible when he is healthy. Even harder in best of 5.
In all the years only Novak finds the mix to do significant damage to him and it became one of the greatest rivalries in tennis history.
Only Novak defeated Nadal in four clay finals and beat him in straight sets in RG.
Most of Novak’s most important losses were against Nadal.
Remember the Madrid SF 2009, what a Battle that was. No one beat Novak that often.

You can dislike someone how he look like, how he behave on court or off court, but what both did is simply amazing!
It seems it will came to an end sooner than we like, let’s enjoy everything they will give us.

of course well done to Djokovic for being the only one to really take it up to nadal on clay over the years he's the reason why clay court season so good to watch most people want see nadal-djokovic final every year their epic match in 2013 was awesome.

 

[Bonaca]

of course well done to Djokovic for being the only one to really take it up to nadal on clay over the years he's the reason why clay court season so good to watch most people want see nadal-djokovic final every year their epic match in 2013 was awesome.

So right my friend so right.

 

[Andy22]

So right my friend so right.

your welcome do you think thiem can get close to nadal next year at RG? maybe nadal-djokovic final one more time.