The Ultimate FEDAL (Wars) Thread

[Federberg]

I don't recall there being a thread about Chang/Lendl "back in the day," but that was '89, so I kinda doubt it. But you missed my point by a mile. I said I had no problem with the underhand serve. In fact, I thought it was well used, and kind of hilarious. My point was Roger's only having a problem with a "challengers" shot when it's against him. And, though I did say that it was some poor form on Rafa to say what he did about Rafa, you don't really need me to keep track of Rafa's peccadilloes, because the Fed fans around here keep track, and then some. And, yes, I do see Roger fans saying that was poor from Roger. Again, Fed fans were not the point. It was Federer himself.

It's just kind of funny how Federer rents space in your head

 

[Moxie]

It's just kind of funny how Federer rents space in your head

It's funny that you think so. It's actually just the Federer fans. Just trying to keep it a bit real between the narrative from some Fedfans that Rafa is the embodiment of evil, and Roger is the endless gentleman. You've read some of bile that we have to put up with, not from the better Fed fans, but you know what I'm talking about. As to Roger, I've come to like him more than I did, and I respect his game. It's been easy to be generous about Roger as a Nadal fan. Our problem is Djokovic.

 

[Front242]

Well, if you are expecting Nick would have the same results than Acapulco you are dreaming unless that he plays "injured" again, calling the trainer several times because his knees, takes time out because his stomach and getting some massages because his back, then maybe he could reach the final........:lulz2:. By the way who you think would beat Roger? I didn't hear you B-)

Seems someone hasn't paid enough attention to Nadal's past matches. Go back and watch his Wimbledon matches against Haase and Petzschner from 2010 and you'll see plenty of timeouts because he was "injured" to use your favourite quote. Might have something to do with the fact that he was being aced off the court and facing a massive forehand from Petzschner in particular and losing but, hey, whatever it takes, right?

 

[Carol]

Seems someone hasn't paid enough attention to Nadal's past matches. Go back and watch his Wimbledon matches against Haase and Petzschner from 2010 and you'll see plenty of timeouts because he was "injured" to use your favourite quote. Might have something to do with the fact that he was being aced off the court and facing a massive forehand from Petzschner in particular and losing but, hey, whatever it takes, right?

And probably you haven't paid enough attention either to the Federer's matches during his whole career and how may times he has taken timeouts even that he never wasn't "injured". I think long time ego I posted those stats showing he has taken as more as Nadal including in the AO 2017 in the fifth set and after he was furious playing vs Nishi and this one took a timeout too, he really had a big guts lol

 

[Front242]

And probably you haven't paid enough attention either to the Federer's matches during his whole career and how may times he has taken timeouts even that he never wasn't "injured". I think long time ego I posted those stats showing he has taken as more as Nadal including in the AO 2017 in the fifth set and after he was furious playing vs Nishi and this one took a timeout too, he really had a big guts lol

You're absolutely hilariously delusional if you think Federer is worse than Nadal at taking medical timeouts. Of the match you mentioned btw 2 things you need to realize: 1) Besides Hopman Cup the AO 2017 was the first tennis Federer had played since Wimbledon 2016 and he had a groin strain all week at the AO. Not exactly hard to believe considering he hadn't played in over half a year and it got worse in the 3rd set against Stan in the previous match and then he lost the 3rd set 6-1. Half a year off and then playing physical matches and you're saying it was a fake injury. This is laughable. Btw injury is the wrong term. It was strain and discomfort from being off tour for half a year and then back playing top level tennis. 2) the second thing you're forgetting is Federer should have won the AO final in 3 sets except for the rubbish second set and of course the longer the match went on, the more chance of the strain and discomfort returning.

He won the match fair and square by being the much better player and it shouldn't have even gone to 5 sets. Nadal was losing both matches in Wimbledon 2010 against nobodies and had to resort to gamesmanship to win.

 

[Andy22]

You're absolutely hilariously delusional if you think Federer is worse than Nadal at taking medical timeouts. Of the match you mentioned btw 2 things you need to realize: 1) Besides Hopman Cup the AO 2017 was the first tennis Federer had played since Wimbledon 2016 and he had a groin strain all week at the AO. Not exactly hard to believe considering he hadn't played in over half a year and it got worse in the 3rd set against Stan in the previous match and then he lost the 3rd set 6-1. Half a year off and then playing physical matches and you're saying it was a fake injury. This is laughable. Btw injury is the wrong term. It was strain and discomfort from being off tour for half a year and then back playing top level tennis. 2) the second thing you're forgetting is Federer should have won the AO final in 3 sets except for the rubbish second set and of course the longer the match went on, the more chance of the strain and discomfort returning.

He won the match fair and square by being the much better player and it shouldn't have even gone to 5 sets. Nadal was losing both matches in Wimbledon 2010 against nobodies and had to resort to gamesmanship to win.

But why did federer take a timeout in the 5th set AO17? he was not Injured so its gamesmanship of the hightest order, nadal has never taken a timeout in the 5th set of a slam. Wimbledon 2010 he really was injured early in that major, you would know that if you watched the match live or hear nadal talk in the post match.

 

[Carol]

You're absolutely hilariously delusional if you think Federer is worse than Nadal at taking medical timeouts. Of the match you mentioned btw 2 things you need to realize: 1) Besides Hopman Cup the AO 2017 was the first tennis Federer had played since Wimbledon 2016 and he had a groin strain all week at the AO. Not exactly hard to believe considering he hadn't played in over half a year and it got worse in the 3rd set against Stan in the previous match and then he lost the 3rd set 6-1. Half a year off and then playing physical matches and you're saying it was a fake injury. This is laughable. Btw injury is the wrong term. It was strain and discomfort from being off tour for half a year and then back playing top level tennis. 2) the second thing you're forgetting is Federer should have won the AO final in 3 sets except for the rubbish second set and of course the longer the match went on, the more chance of the strain and discomfort returning.

He won the match fair and square by being the much better player and it shouldn't have even gone to 5 sets. Nadal was losing both matches in Wimbledon 2010 against nobodies and had to resort to gamesmanship to win.

Keep dreaming and wearing the color blind glasses. This is not a thread to discuss "Fedal case" but if you are talking about hilariously delusional then look at you in the mirror like others the Federer's fans, your are really laughable.

 

[Front242]

Keep dreaming and wearing the color blind glasses. This is not a thread to discuss "Fedal case" but if you are talking about hilariously delusional then look at you in the mirror like others the Federer's fans, your are really laughable.

Good comeback. It was you who derailed the thread btw in post #20 by posting comments about Kyrgios supposedly faking injury and it was then pointed out that he clearly wasn't faking anything and I said it was hilarious reading about a player supposedly faking injuries coming from a fan of the master of it all. Take a bow and a cookie

 

[Front242]

But why did federer take a timeout in the 5th set AO17? he was not Injured so its gamesmanship of the hightest order, nadal has never taken a timeout in the 5th set of a slam. Wimbledon 2010 he really was injured early in that major, you would know that if you watched the match live or hear nadal talk in the post match.

I already answered that. He had a groin strain all week from coming back to top level tennis after half a year off. That IS NOT gamesmanship. He also only took a timeout at the time when they had ended the set anyway which didn't cause any disruption to the flow of the match. This is completely different from taking multiple MTOs mid match while losing as Nadal did in Wimbledon 2010 when he was being aced off the court and thumped by Petzschner's forehand. And he was so badly injured he won the tournament. Cry me a river ffs.

Finally, for all the clowns moaning about Federer's AO 2017 MTO in the final, it did him no good whatsoever anyway as he quickly went down 3-1 so you're all moaning about sfa. It took brilliant play for him to get back on serve and win the match but he should have won it in 3 sets anyway.

 

[Federberg]

I already answered that. He had a groin strain all week from coming back to top level tennis after half a year off. That IS NOT gamesmanship. He also only took a timeout at the time when they had ended the set anyway which didn't cause any disruption to the flow of the match. This is completely different from taking multiple MTOs mid match while losing as Nadal did in Wimbledon 2010 when he was being aced off the court and thumped by Petzschner's forehand. And he was so badly injured he won the tournament. Cry me a river ffs.

Finally, for all the clowns moaning about Federer's AO 2017 MTO in the final, it did him no good whatsoever anyway as he quickly went down 3-1 so you're all moaning about sfa. It took brilliant play for him to get back on serve and win the match but he should have won it in 3 sets anyway.

this... If you want to lay a criticism at Roger's door, then the Davydenko match at the AO would have been more appropriate. But if you bring that up, then what about match point in Indian Wells vs Rafa. Or... you know what I'll stop right here, otherwise I'll probably get repetitive strain injury typing all of his infractions

 

[GameSetAndMath]

this... If you want to lay a criticism at Roger's door, then the Davydenko match at the AO would have been more appropriate. But if you bring that up, then what about match point in Indian Wells vs Rafa. Or... you know what I'll stop right here, otherwise I'll probably get repetitive strain injury typing all of his infractions

For sure Federer has done some questionable things. No one is completely pure. But, if you sit down and count the # of times Fed has indulged in gamesmanship and the severity of those instances and do the same for Ralph, you know what would be the result. It would not even be a close margin. Ralph has certainly done it many times and in more serious ways.

 

[Federberg]

For sure Federer has done some questionable things. No one is completely pure. But, if you sit down and count the # of times Fed has indulged in gamesmanship and the severity of those instances and do the same for Ralph, you know what would be the result. It would not even be a close margin. Ralph has certainly done it many times and in more serious ways.

exactly my point

 

[Moxie]

For sure Federer has done some questionable things. No one is completely pure. But, if you sit down and count the # of times Fed has indulged in gamesmanship and the severity of those instances and do the same for Ralph, you know what would be the result. It would not even be a close margin. Ralph has certainly done it many times and in more serious ways.

Yes, like the MTO after dropping the 4th set v. Safin at AO SF in '05. He still lost, but no question of gamesmanship, if I use the measure that Fedfans use for Rafa. Look, a major difference between them is in part that Nadal fans don't keep a running repetition of all of these old "crimes," whereas Front, most especially, never tires of laying them all back down again, even very questionable ones, and no matter how many years ago. There is a certain amount of myth making involved. ("Nadal is a notorious cheat." "Nadal is false-modest." "Nadal isn't injured as often as he claims, even if he did have to take time off/skip Majors, etc." While at the same time: "Roger is a great sportsman." "All of Roger's injuries/illnesses are obviously true, otherwise how could he have lost." "Nadal fans make excuses, Federer fans are just telling it like it is." And "Nadal dopes, but Roger could never, despite the rise from the ashes in 2017. Nothing to see here.") It seems to me that the pattern with both is that there were more incidents of gaming when they were younger. Another consistent pattern is the years' long attempt by many Federer fans to slag Nadal's character, since his game was the biggest blight on Roger for many years.

Roger is no saint, and Rafa is not the Devil, though he gets called that sometimes. Perhaps if we left the discussion of gamesmanship to current days, we'd find they're not so far apart. But who am I kidding that that would ever happen?

 

[Andy22]

I already answered that. He had a groin strain all week from coming back to top level tennis after half a year off. That IS NOT gamesmanship. He also only took a timeout at the time when they had ended the set anyway which didn't cause any disruption to the flow of the match. This is completely different from taking multiple MTOs mid match while losing as Nadal did in Wimbledon 2010 when he was being aced off the court and thumped by Petzschner's forehand. And he was so badly injured he won the tournament. Cry me a river ffs.

Finally, for all the clowns moaning about Federer's AO 2017 MTO in the final, it did him no good whatsoever anyway as he quickly went down 3-1 so you're all moaning about sfa. It took brilliant play for him to get back on serve and win the match but he should have won it in 3 sets anyway.

Nadal almost pulled out of Wimbledon 2010, he took a chance and played it because he was going to win it in his mind. Federer is a guy who goes out of his way to make lower players look really bad by playing too many drop shots, behind the legs shots shows off like a kid basically. Also federer serves then the returner not ready as well?

 

[Moxie]

Nadal almost pulled out of Wimbledon 2010, he took a chance and played it because he was going to win it in his mind. Federer is a guy who goes out of his way to make lower players look really bad by playing too many drop shots, behind the legs shots shows off like a kid basically. Also federer serves then the returner not ready as well?

Remind me how Rafa almost pulled out of 2010 Wimbledon? As to the rest, you and Front can have each other. I know this thread is full of pettiness, but some people take the cake.

 

[Andy22]

Remind me how Rafa almost pulled out of 2010 Wimbledon? As to the rest, you and Front can have each other. I know this thread is full of pettiness, but some people take the cake.

well my post was for front not you so I'm not going to answer your question sorry, and some people really do take the cake like post cutters like you.

 

[Moxie]

well my post was for front not you so I'm not going to answer your question sorry, and some people really do take the cake like post cutters like you.

Forgive me for interrupting the deep childishness of this thread with lesser pettiness. I'll let you and Front carry on for 3 pages until one of the rest of us gets exercised enough to comment again. I guess I'll just let that question about Wimbledon '10 go.

 

[Andy22]

Forgive me for interrupting the deep childishness of this thread with lesser pettiness. I'll let you and Front carry on for 3 pages until one of the rest of us gets exercised enough to comment again. I guess I'll just let that question about Wimbledon '10 go.

No I will not go on that long, at least you do it for everyone with the post cutting which is cool, also Wimbledon I know you like facts which I can not give about that event it would just be my opinion.

 

[Front242]

By my calculations this is Nadal’s 2,456th career injury. By far the unluckiest player of all-time... he should be sitting on 150 titles and 30 slams by now.

Get well soon GOAT.

Don't worry, Federer is fine.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Don't worry, Federer is fine.

I wasn't talking about the sliver medalist who has only 1 clay slam and is 6-10 and 4-10 in slams against his 2 biggest rivals... I was talking about the gold medalist who has at least 2 slams on each surfaces and is 10-4 and 9-6 in slams against his 2 biggest rivals