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Mon Dieu; where are the monitors? I was excommunicated for weeks for a lot less! :cuckoo: ::sw1::
Great, we can't even have a Fedal wars thread anymore.
You still have to force him to make the adjustment. If he does, then Nadal deals with what comes then. But not making such an obvious change just because Roger might make the adjustment sounds silly to me.
Typically when Nadal is firing his forehand up the line or inside out early in the rallies, it becomes almost impossible to read, and it's where he's at his best. So no, this isn't some radical change. It's something that's well within his game that even if Roger does adjust to, it doesn't mean he's guaranteed to win.
1. It’s obvious you made an appeal, you imbecile.
2. You’re a deeply insecure individual which is evidenced by your concern what other posters think about you.
3. Only an imbecile can say it’s irrational to claim that Djokovic is better than Federer game-wise.
4. Maybe I luck originality but I ain’t a bad person. You’re a scumbag.
5. I’ve been hurting your feelings by following you around. Well deserved punishment.
5... Following around and posting random abuse in threads all over the board. Yeah, it's not all one way but generally you're instigating it... wind your neck in... any new posts like that will just get removed.
We now have Fedsi wars. This is more entertaining.
You still have to force him to make the adjustment. If he does, then Nadal deals with what comes then. But not making such an obvious change just because Roger might make the adjustment sounds silly to me.
Typically when Nadal is firing his forehand up the line or inside out early in the rallies, it becomes almost impossible to read, and it's where he's at his best. So no, this isn't some radical change. It's something that's well within his game that even if Roger does adjust to, it doesn't mean he's guaranteed to win.
My thought is that it wouldn't be that big of an adjustment for Roger to make since he's been dealing with that same tactic from Djokovic for the last 8-9 years. Just about all the talking heads suggest that tactic for anyone who plays Roger - play to his FH down the line. So I guess I just don't see the surprise element if Nadal starts going it, too, when everybody else is doing it. What's Nadal's next shot when the ball comes back? Cross court to the backhand regardless of if Fed's return shot goes down the line or cross court? I think Nadal would have to think 2-3 shots ahead if he makes this adjustment and hope that Roger stays with his usual patterns - which this year has been much less predictable for him. Roger's surprised him a lot by just stepping into the court in the middle of a rally and thumping the ball at a sharp angle cross court and then if it comes back thumping his next shot hard down the line in the opposite direction. At times you've been able to see Roger setting up his winner 3-4 shots before he hits it - that deuce point in The Rally of the Year at the AO is a perfect example of that. He just kept hitting the ball shorter and shorter and at an angle to Nadal's backhand until Nadal hit a backhand deep to his forehand side and then he flicked the kill shot forehand down the line on the opposite side of the court.
So yeah...Nadal can make the adjustment you're suggesting but he's also going to have to adjust his next shot if Roger gets the ball back in play. He can't just surprise him with the 1 tactical change. It would help him considerably if he was a better server because then he'd win more cheap points with aces and unreturnable serves. Roger dropped 20 places aces on Nadal in the AO final - 3 of them in the final game to climb out of 15-40 and clinch the title. How many of those aces just barely caught the line? One of the commentators in Shanghai was saying that most players who challenge Roger's aces are doing it because they just can't believe that someone who isn't blowing it by you at 130mph+ can so consistently hit a piece of the line. You saw that in Shanghai - how many times did Nadal challenge an ace and was wrong? At least 3 times. So that's my suggestion for Nadal - serve better and win some more free points and make your life easier. He prefers a higher percentage and getting into the rally. At nearly 32 - hard for old dogs to change habits but it might be time to make a change.
My thought is that it wouldn't be that big of an adjustment for Roger to make since he's been dealing with that same tactic from Djokovic for the last 8-9 years. Just about all the talking heads suggest that tactic for anyone who plays Roger - play to his FH down the line. So I guess I just don't see the surprise element if Nadal starts going it, too, when everybody else is doing it. What's Nadal's next shot when the ball comes back? Cross court to the backhand regardless of if Fed's return shot goes down the line or cross court? I think Nadal would have to think 2-3 shots ahead if he makes this adjustment and hope that Roger stays with his usual patterns - which this year has been much less predictable for him. Roger's surprised him a lot by just stepping into the court in the middle of a rally and thumping the ball at a sharp angle cross court and then if it comes back thumping his next shot hard down the line in the opposite direction. At times you've been able to see Roger setting up his winner 3-4 shots before he hits it - that deuce point in The Rally of the Year at the AO is a perfect example of that. He just kept hitting the ball shorter and shorter and at an angle to Nadal's backhand until Nadal hit a backhand deep to his forehand side and then he flicked the kill shot forehand down the line on the opposite side of the court.
So yeah...Nadal can make the adjustment you're suggesting but he's also going to have to adjust his next shot if Roger gets the ball back in play. He can't just surprise him with the 1 tactical change. It would help him considerably if he was a better server because then he'd win more cheap points with aces and unreturnable serves. Roger dropped 20 places aces on Nadal in the AO final - 3 of them in the final game to climb out of 15-40 and clinch the title. How many of those aces just barely caught the line? One of the commentators in Shanghai was saying that most players who challenge Roger's aces are doing it because they just can't believe that someone who isn't blowing it by you at 130mph+ can so consistently hit a piece of the line. You saw that in Shanghai - how many times did Nadal challenge an ace and was wrong? At least 3 times. So that's my suggestion for Nadal - serve better and win some more free points and make your life easier. He prefers a higher percentage and getting into the rally. At nearly 32 - hard for old dogs to change habits but it might be time to make a change.
My thought is that it wouldn't be that big of an adjustment for Roger to make since he's been dealing with that same tactic from Djokovic for the last 8-9 years. Just about all the talking heads suggest that tactic for anyone who plays Roger - play to his FH down the line. So I guess I just don't see the surprise element if Nadal starts going it, too, when everybody else is doing it. What's Nadal's next shot when the ball comes back? Cross court to the backhand regardless of if Fed's return shot goes down the line or cross court? I think Nadal would have to think 2-3 shots ahead if he makes this adjustment and hope that Roger stays with his usual patterns - which this year has been much less predictable for him. Roger's surprised him a lot by just stepping into the court in the middle of a rally and thumping the ball at a sharp angle cross court and then if it comes back thumping his next shot hard down the line in the opposite direction. At times you've been able to see Roger setting up his winner 3-4 shots before he hits it - that deuce point in The Rally of the Year at the AO is a perfect example of that. He just kept hitting the ball shorter and shorter and at an angle to Nadal's backhand until Nadal hit a backhand deep to his forehand side and then he flicked the kill shot forehand down the line on the opposite side of the court.
So yeah...Nadal can make the adjustment you're suggesting but he's also going to have to adjust his next shot if Roger gets the ball back in play. He can't just surprise him with the 1 tactical change. It would help him considerably if he was a better server because then he'd win more cheap points with aces and unreturnable serves. Roger dropped 20 places aces on Nadal in the AO final - 3 of them in the final game to climb out of 15-40 and clinch the title. How many of those aces just barely caught the line? One of the commentators in Shanghai was saying that most players who challenge Roger's aces are doing it because they just can't believe that someone who isn't blowing it by you at 130mph+ can so consistently hit a piece of the line. You saw that in Shanghai - how many times did Nadal challenge an ace and was wrong? At least 3 times. So that's my suggestion for Nadal - serve better and win some more free points and make your life easier. He prefers a higher percentage and getting into the rally. At nearly 32 - hard for old dogs to change habits but it might be time to make a change.
Some great points. And I just love that rally. I've rematched it so many times! You make a good point about Rafa's serve. I think in particular his second serve needs some work. I always used to rage at Roger for just slicing it back in. Now he's taking cuts at it. That puts tremendous pressure on the server. He does the same thing to Murray. I think working on the second serve might be one of the toughest things to do in tennis. It's going to be fascinating to see what solutions Rafa and his team try to come up with
I don't know how well this would work, but I agree with the spirit of it. I am always amused when I read posters asking for a player to change something radical and/or fundamental in their game. This kind of suggestion simply ignores how well these guys execute the things they are comfortable with.
Plus Fed beat Nadal at a grand slam, two Masters 1000's & Basel... 4 to 0.A baseball analogy is this: Roger hit .350 playing in 120 games; Rafa hit .330 playing in 155 games.
But still............Plus Fed beat Nadal at a grand slam, two Masters 1000's & Basel... 4 to 0.
Roger played only four ATP 1000 events this year (this means he skipped more of them than he played in), but he made the finals of all four and won three of them. Amazing hit ratio.
Skipping the clay season was genius for reasons beyond just preserving his body. It kept his aura of invincibility (not quite the right term since this isn't 2006 anymore but you know what I mean), kept the confidence going, maintained his ludicrous winning percentage, didn't give Nadal a chance to potentially win a match over him, etc...
Oops I was wrong Fed beat Nadal at a GS, 3 Master's 1000's & Basel..I incorrectly stated 2 Masters. Yes I take nothing away from what Nadal achieved. But in my eyes the player of the year is Fed.But still............