The Ultimate FEDAL (Wars) Thread

[Front242]

Don't try so hard. Whatever Rafa was treated was LEGAL and more smart decision than to go through a surgery which was the last option. If not ask Delpo and his surgeries.....:s

I've already stated multiple times I know it's legal. What you and other Nadal fans don't care to notice is that PRP treatment is performance enhancing. For a legal treatment it brings a lot of benefits and it's therefore no surprise as I pointed out that Nadal stormed back in 2010 winning 3 slams and same again in 2013 winning 2 slams and 5 masters 1000s and that link also shows they're again questioning if it should be legal because of said performance enhancing qualities.

Ahahahahahahahaahahahahaha.

Oh boy. So now Nadal won 3 slams in 2010 because he was on what should have been illegal PED's. You see, Nadal was lucky to get tendinitis. He was treated and turned into Superman.

Note to GSM, Federberg, Darth and others: Whenever you take a shot at Nadal fans, just keep remember that the above argument is employed by someone on your side, and you're in no position to throw stones.

This is the same person who implied Nadal's success is partially due to operation Fuentes and that his sample was among the blood samples collected, even though the police raid was conducted in 2006. I don't know how to explain the subsequent successful years. I guess he just found a different doctor.

You're assuming that they don't agree with me. Don't be so sure about that. I never mentioned anything about PEDs. I said the treatment is legal but also performance enhancing. I thought I covered the subsequent years above. PRP treatment. And I know deep down you and other Nadal fans breathed a massive sigh of relief when the Spanish judge ordered the destruction of those blood bags whether or not you'll ever admit it. They haven't been destroyed yet anyway and I'm not gonna bother going on about that but you just brought it up. I was discussing the performance enhancing benefits of a once banned and still questionable treatment that is now legal and you know damn well it improved him a lot. That link I posted says a lot and there are numerous other sources with good info on PRP.

 

[brokenshoelace]

You're assuming that they don't agree with me.

I'm assuming even they aren't so biased as to have dislike for a certain player cloud their judgment so badly.

I never mentioned anything about PEDs. I said the treatment is legal but also performance enhancing.

"I never mentioned anything about PED's" yet a sentence later "the treatment is legal but performance enhancing." I mean, yeah, you're not saying he took steroids (not in this paragraph at least) but you're saying the treatment is PERFORMANCE ENHANCING, which is what "P" and "E" stand for. And hilariously, you think treatment for tendinitis catapulted Nadal into 3 majors. I wonder, why did Nadal ever stop that treatment then? I mean, he was healed and turned into Superman.

I thought I covered the subsequent years above. PRP treatment. And I know deep down you and other Nadal fans breathed a massive sigh of relief when the Spanish judge ordered the destruction of those blood bags whether or not you'll ever admit it. They haven't been destroyed yet anyway and I'm not gonna bother going on about that but you just brought it up. I was discussing the performance enhancing benefits of a once banned and still questionable treatment that is now legal and you know damn well it improved him a lot. That link I posted says a lot and there are numerous other sources with good info on PRP.

Just so we're clear, you are incontestably implying Nadal was on drugs, a paragraph after saying "I never said anything about PEDs." What else could "Nadal fans breathing a sigh of relief upon the destruction of the blood samples" mean?

This is hilarious. This is what this discussion is reduced to. You're lucky terrible posting isn't against the rules, or the mods would have basically cleaned out your entire history.

Hey, GameSetandMath, tell me, am I out of line for saying Front has no proof making these accusations because they're literally based on nothing, or are these double standards because I believe Brady was guilty?

The Federer fanbase has overtaken the Nadal fanbase as the worst, and that really took some doing. For years, I thought it was impossible. We've done it guys!

 

[Kieran]

Dearie me, the things the Fedfans say, just because Rafa owns their pup. I remember it all way back, when he first began to beat federer, and the sour grapes from Fedfans turned into slurs and sleazy allegations. Let's leave aside the fact that it's Roger who's obviously got exceptional levels of stamina and endurance, because to Fedfans this isn't a problem: daring to beat their tinpot deity is a problem, though. So it gets explained away. Not once do you hear any credit for it. Not once. It gets explained away: PRP's (hint hint!!), all the matches on clay, the 5 year age gap is unfair, Roger was past his prime in 2008 - and anyway he had (intermittent) mono. On and on.

Always the pack of lies, or excuses. All because Rafa owns their boy... :cover :nono

 

[brokenshoelace]

What's hilarious about these PED accusations is you can literally make them about every out of this world athlete ever.

I mean, what's Nadal's "smoking gun"? Quickness, stamina and muscles? Have you seen Lebron James? Cristiano Ronaldo? Usain Bolt? Hell, have you seen Novak Djokovic? Oh, but his bicep isn't as big so let's not accuse him (because you know, Marin Cilic is built like Arnold).

Or how about we don't accuse anyone without the merest hint of proof? Because newsflash, a legal treatment in no way means a player might be juicing up. Those are separate issues.

 

[Kieran]

What's hilarious about these PED accusations is you can literally make them about every out of this world athlete ever.

The PED stuff began because Rafa was beating Roger. It became a form of denial, and I remember my old mate Deco saying it back then, because he couldn't accept that anyone could legitimately beat Federer. He even admitted this, he was trying to rationalise what he was seeing, and eventually he began to see the worth and brilliance of Rafa Nadal. His current position is to be sceptical of all top athletes - Federer included.

And you're right, we can look at every top athlete - and if we used Front's methods (disinformation, deceit, misread forms, misquoted Popes), then we'd easily include Federer in the list, without a problem. The trouble with this approach is that it's unfair, and based upon personal fanboy bias. We have nothing on these boys, except the current trend of popular cynicism and conspiracy. But if we apply it to one, then by all means, everyone is suspect...

 

[Carol]

Definitely it's very pathetic react the way, to make false accusations because one of the best players of the history has beaten their fav who aparentelly and ridiculously they thought he was untouchable and unbeatable, poor souls.....what a shame

 

[the AntiPusher]

What's hilarious about these PED accusations is you can literally make them about every out of this world athlete ever.

The PED stuff began because Rafa was beating Roger. It became a form of denial, and I remember my old mate Deco saying it back then, because he couldn't accept that anyone could legitimately beat Federer. He even admitted this, he was trying to rationalise what he was seeing, and eventually he began to see the worth and brilliance of Rafa Nadal. His current position is to be sceptical of all top athletes - Federer included.

And you're right, we can look at every top athlete - and if we used Front's methods (disinformation, deceit, misread forms, misquoted Popes), then we'd easily include Federer in the list, without a problem. The trouble with this approach is that it's unfair, and based upon personal fanboy bias. We have nothing on these boys, except the current trend of popular cynicism and conspiracy. But if we apply it to one, then by all means, everyone is suspect...

interesting how you mentioned the possible ways that Front gathers his unsubstantiated facts and details, yet two days ago he used the D word in response to me staying that Federer played better at the 2011 RG final then he did in 2008 winning less than a total of 6 games vs Rafa. Go figure:nono

 

[Carol]

I've already stated multiple times I know it's legal. What you and other Nadal fans don't care to notice is that PRP treatment is performance enhancing. For a legal treatment it brings a lot of benefits and it's therefore no surprise as I pointed out that Nadal stormed back in 2010 winning 3 slams and same again in 2013 winning 2 slams and 5 masters 1000s and that link also shows they're again questioning if it should be legal because of said performance enhancing qualities.

Ahahahahahahahaahahahahaha.

Oh boy. So now Nadal won 3 slams in 2010 because he was on what should have been illegal PED's. You see, Nadal was lucky to get tendinitis. He was treated and turned into Superman.

Note to GSM, Federberg, Darth and others: Whenever you take a shot at Nadal fans, just keep

remember that the above argument is employed by someone on your side, and you're in no position to throw stones.

This is the same person who implied Nadal's success is partially due to operation Fuentes and that his sample was among the blood samples collected, even though the police raid was conducted in 2006. I don't know how to explain the subsequent successful years. I guess he just found a different doctor.

You're assuming that they don't agree with me. Don't be so sure about that. I never mentioned
anything about PEDs. I said the treatment is legal but also performance enhancing. I thought I covered the subsequent years above. PRP treatment. And I know deep down you and other Nadal fans breathed a massive sigh of relief when the Spanish judge ordered the destruction of those blood bags whether or not you'll ever admit it. They haven't been destroyed yet anyway and I'm not gonna bother going on about that but you just brought it up. I was discussing the performance enhancing benefits of a once banned and still questionable treatment that is now legal and you know damn well it improved him a lot. That link I posted says a lot and there are numerous other sources with good info on PRP.

breathed a massive sight of relief when the Spanish judge blah blah blah ? what a #%¥€ are you talking about? or maybe you did because there were some foreign athletes involved? my father always said "when someone talks too much about an issue and blaming others, be careful, he probably is hiding something about himself or about someone else".

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

2008 is not definitely part of Roger's prime. In fact that was the year when the media pundits first began writing him off and asking him "Is this the beginning of the end?" question in the pressers.
Sure, Roger did do very well in 2009. But, I think by definition prime cannot be discontinuous.
So, I would say that Roger's prime is 2004-2007. I believe many would agree as well.

that's the diff el dude was going on about.

federer's 2004-07 inclusive is "peak" but 2009 is part of his "prime", he has problems at both ends of 2008, that's part of sport but bouncing back to reach his usual 4 major finals in a year (2009)..is prime in anyone's book.

also why is it year specific ?.Federer went onto a different level at the end of 2003 at WTF, (Agassi was sure of it), so we could have "prime" fedster late 2003-early 2010, (wins2010 AO), "peak" fedster late 2003-2007.

but that's prob too untidy for alot of folk, dragging in tail end of years into prime/peak. actually, I've had enough of this. whatever whatever.:-/

 

[Front242]

You're assuming that they don't agree with me.

I'm assuming even they aren't so biased as to have dislike for a certain player cloud their judgment so badly.

I never mentioned anything about PEDs. I said the treatment is legal but also performance enhancing.

"I never mentioned anything about PED's" yet a sentence later "the treatment is legal but performance enhancing." I mean, yeah, you're not saying he took steroids (not in this paragraph at least) but you're saying the treatment is PERFORMANCE ENHANCING, which is what "P" and "E" stand for. And hilariously, you think treatment for tendinitis catapulted Nadal into 3 majors. I wonder, why did Nadal ever stop that treatment then? I mean, he was healed and turned into Superman.

I thought I covered the subsequent years above. PRP treatment. And I know deep down you and other Nadal fans breathed a massive sigh of relief when the Spanish judge ordered the destruction of those blood bags whether or not you'll ever admit it. They haven't been destroyed yet anyway and I'm not gonna bother going on about that but you just brought it up. I was discussing the performance enhancing benefits of a once banned and still questionable treatment that is now legal and you know damn well it improved him a lot. That link I posted says a lot and there are numerous other sources with good info on PRP.

Just so we're clear, you are incontestably implying Nadal was on drugs, a paragraph after saying "I never said anything about PEDs." What else could "Nadal fans breathing a sigh of relief upon the destruction of the blood samples" mean?

This is hilarious. This is what this discussion is reduced to. You're lucky terrible posting isn't against the rules, or the mods would have basically cleaned out your entire history.

Hey, GameSetandMath, tell me, am I out of line for saying Front has no proof making these accusations because they're literally based on nothing, or are these double standards because I believe Brady was guilty?

The Federer fanbase has overtaken the Nadal fanbase as the worst, and that really took some doing. For years, I thought it was impossible. We've done it guys!

I'd hazard a guess a huge chunk of yours would be history too. Ever since Nadal became crap you've been b1tch slapping every second non Nadal fan here.

 

[tented]

In the sage words of Britbox, "Debate the post, not the poster."

Don't make it personal, don't insult each other.

 

[brokenshoelace]

You're assuming that they don't agree with me.

I'm assuming even they aren't so biased as to have dislike for a certain player cloud their judgment so badly.

I never mentioned anything about PEDs. I said the treatment is legal but also performance enhancing.

"I never mentioned anything about PED's" yet a sentence later "the treatment is legal but performance enhancing." I mean, yeah, you're not saying he took steroids (not in this paragraph at least) but you're saying the treatment is PERFORMANCE ENHANCING, which is what "P" and "E" stand for. And hilariously, you think treatment for tendinitis catapulted Nadal into 3 majors. I wonder, why did Nadal ever stop that treatment then? I mean, he was healed and turned into Superman.

I thought I covered the subsequent years above. PRP treatment. And I know deep down you and other Nadal fans breathed a massive sigh of relief when the Spanish judge ordered the destruction of those blood bags whether or not you'll ever admit it. They haven't been destroyed yet anyway and I'm not gonna bother going on about that but you just brought it up. I was discussing the performance enhancing benefits of a once banned and still questionable treatment that is now legal and you know damn well it improved him a lot. That link I posted says a lot and there are numerous other sources with good info on PRP.

Just so we're clear, you are incontestably implying Nadal was on drugs, a paragraph after saying "I never said anything about PEDs." What else could "Nadal fans breathing a sigh of relief upon the destruction of the blood samples" mean?

This is hilarious. This is what this discussion is reduced to. You're lucky terrible posting isn't against the rules, or the mods would have basically cleaned out your entire history.

Hey, GameSetandMath, tell me, am I out of line for saying Front has no proof making these accusations because they're literally based on nothing, or are these double standards because I believe Brady was guilty?

The Federer fanbase has overtaken the Nadal fanbase as the worst, and that really took some doing. For years, I thought it was impossible. We've done it guys!

I'd hazard a guess a huge chunk of yours would be history too. Ever since Nadal became crap you've been b1tch slapping every second non Nadal fan here.

Yeah, I wonder why. It's either because Nadal is playing like crap or the posting from certain people has been utter garbage.

Anyway, most ironic part of this is Nadal fans have the excuse-makers moniker (not undeserved, to be fair) yet here we are, with someone basically justifying his entire success with PEDs. But surely that's not making excuses, right?

 

[brokenshoelace]

In the sage words of Britbox, "Debate the post, not the poster."

Don't make it personal, don't insult each other.

I said he's been guilty of terrible posts. He said I've been aggressive (not as eloquently but still). No insults on either part.

 

[tented]

In the sage words of Britbox, "Debate the post, not the poster."

Don't make it personal, don't insult each other.

I said he's been guilty of terrible posts. He said I've been aggressive (not as eloquently but still). No insults on either part.

That wasn't aimed only at the two of you.

 

[britbox]

Ahahahahahahahaahahahahaha.

Oh boy. So now Nadal won 3 slams in 2010 because he was on what should have been illegal PED's. You see, Nadal was lucky to get tendinitis. He was treated and turned into Superman.

Note to GSM, Federberg, Darth and others: Whenever you take a shot at Nadal fans, just keep

remember that the above argument is employed by someone on your side, and you're in no position to throw stones.

This is the same person who implied Nadal's success is partially due to operation Fuentes and that his sample was among the blood samples collected, even though the police raid was conducted in 2006. I don't know how to explain the subsequent successful years. I guess he just found a different doctor.

You're assuming that they don't agree with me. Don't be so sure about that. I never mentioned
anything about PEDs. I said the treatment is legal but also performance enhancing. I thought I covered the subsequent years above. PRP treatment. And I know deep down you and other Nadal fans breathed a massive sigh of relief when the Spanish judge ordered the destruction of those blood bags whether or not you'll ever admit it. They haven't been destroyed yet anyway and I'm not gonna bother going on about that but you just brought it up. I was discussing the performance enhancing benefits of a once banned and still questionable treatment that is now legal and you know damn well it improved him a lot. That link I posted says a lot and there are numerous other sources with good info on PRP.

breathed a massive sight of relief when the Spanish judge blah blah blah ? what a #%¥€ are you talking about? or maybe you did because there were some foreign athletes involved? my father always said "when someone talks too much about an issue and blaming others, be careful, he probably is hiding something about himself or about someone else".

I don't expect Front is doping...

 

[brokenshoelace]

You're assuming that they don't agree with me. Don't be so sure about that. I never mentioned
anything about PEDs. I said the treatment is legal but also performance enhancing. I thought I covered the subsequent years above. PRP treatment. And I know deep down you and other Nadal fans breathed a massive sigh of relief when the Spanish judge ordered the destruction of those blood bags whether or not you'll ever admit it. They haven't been destroyed yet anyway and I'm not gonna bother going on about that but you just brought it up. I was discussing the performance enhancing benefits of a once banned and still questionable treatment that is now legal and you know damn well it improved him a lot. That link I posted says a lot and there are numerous other sources with good info on PRP.

breathed a massive sight of relief when the Spanish judge blah blah blah ? what a #%¥€ are you talking about? or maybe you did because there were some foreign athletes involved? my father always said "when someone talks too much about an issue and blaming others, be careful, he probably is hiding something about himself or about someone else".

I don't expect Front is doping...

It sure isn't enhancing his posting.

 

[lindseywagners]

It's a shame, and even I do this, but I think a lot of times we forget how great the Roger-Rafa rivalry was -- that it really opened up tennis and made the era legendary. Sure, they haven't played a great/intense match since prob. AO 2009, but back in the day these two were something special.

Here's a nice article about Roger-Rafa by Steve Tignor. And check out that picture at the top of the page!


http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2015-08-21/why_the_federer_v_nadal_reunion_will_be_worth_the_wait.html

 

[GameSetAndMath]

2011 was the year when Fed's streak of winning at least one GS ended. However, in that year Fed's record in GSs are SF, F, QF and SF respectively. In 2015, Rafa's record in GSs are QF, QF, R2 and R3 respectively.

Interestingly, both of them lost for the first time after leading 2-0 in sets in Grandslam matches in the year of decline. Tsonga stopped Federer breaking 178 match record of Roger at Wimby, whereas Fog stopped Rafa breaking 151 match record of Rafa.

 

[shawnbm]

I just rewatched a forty some odd minute replay of these two in Miami a decade ago, and it was something to revisit. They both had unreal rallies and Roger returned a lot more services on the backhand side with topspin or a flat drive than he has in the last five or six years. Rafael was truly a great player from eighteen on--his passing shots and movement were unbelievable. His two handed backhand had a lot of pop and was a very offensive shot. Roger came into the forecourt a lot more too. Roger's forehand rarely missed and he hit a ton of winners. Another I noticed was that both of them were pretty much standing almost on the baseline in many rallies. Great saves, great volleys and winners all over. In short, these two demonstrated early on in 2005 that it was the two of them and then everybody else. Both moved like cats on court--amazing saves by both throughout this match.

 

[Moxie]

OK, enough of populating all threads by massaging over old wounds and tournaments not won. I'm going to suggest we bring it here, and see how that works.

Bones of contention and major questions:

1.) Was 2008 Wimbledon final the greatest match of all time, or was Roger actually just crap?
2.) AO draw and final: DISCUSS.
3.) Has Roger found the Magic Bullet to contain Rafa?
4.) How much does the H2H matter?
5.) Does having so many records on clay diminish Nadal's GOATness?
6.) Domination: do QF/SF streaks matter? Does it matter that Nadal has won Majors in more consecutive years? How much does La Decima matter?

I could go on. Conversation is a moveable feast, but it would be good if we could bring the Fedal Wars to one thread. What do you think?