The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[GameSetAndMath]

Another tidbit: Since Roger Federer became #1 in Feb. 2004, the #1 ranking has changed
hands 8 times. As many as four of them happened right after Wimbledon
final, with winner becoming #1. Fed did it two times (2009 and 2012)
and Novak did it two times (2011 and 2014).

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

28.7.2014...career highs.

194. borna coric.......17yr 8m.
225. kyle Edmund....19yrs 6m.
327. Christian garin..18yr 2m.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

A couple of Challenger semi finals for Edmund this last month, decent effort.

 

[El Dude]

Along with Kyrgios and Zverev, among teenagers I have the most hope for Coric, with Garin a touch behind.

 

[herios]

New career highs (in the top 100):

40. Pablo Cuevas 28y
55. Pablo Carreno Busta 23y
60. Jack Sock 21y

 

[Moxie]

New career highs (in the top 100):

40. Pablo Cuevas 28y
55. Pablo Carreno Busta 23y
60. Jack Sock 21y

Cuevas is a funny case. I wrote up the news item for our front page, noting that his title in Umag was his second consecutive, having won his first ever in Bastad two weeks ago, at 28. Another late bloomer, it seems.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

There is an interesting situation to watch during the next three weeks involving Andy,
Milos and Grigor. Folks should realize that Andy would desperately want to get into top 8
before USO starts and in order to do so he needs to displace at least one of Grigor or Milos.
It will be interesting to watch the dynamics between these guys as they fight to get a
top 8 seed in USO. Here is a quick summary of the situation.

1. Milos has 690 to defend in the two NA Masters. But, he can tack on some
ranking points at Washington.

2. Andy has 270 points to defend in the two NA Masters (and is not playing
in Washinton).

3. Grigor has 100 points to defend in the two NA Masters ( and is not playing
in Washington).

It looks like if at all Andy is going to displace someone, it will most probably be Milos.

The above analysis assumes JMDP is not playing USO. If JMDP starts playing
at USO or earlier, he will not be eligible for protected rankings and will
be seeded based on his current ranking. JMDP will be losing 500 points that
he got by winning Washington DC last year, by the end of this week. As a result,
he will fall to No. 10 by the end of this week in rankings (Grigor and Andy will
move up a spot; Milos is already ahead). If you put JMDP also into the mix, only
two of four folks (Andy, JMDP, Grigor and Milos) can get seedings in top 8 fro USO.
So, there will be huge fight for these slots.

 

[herios]

There is an interesting situation to watch during the next three weeks involving Andy,
Milos and Grigor. Folks should realize that Andy would desperately want to get into top 8
before USO starts and in order to do so he needs to displace at least one of Grigor or Milos.
It will be interesting to watch the dynamics between these guys as they fight to get a
top 8 seed in USO. Here is a quick summary of the situation.

1. Milos has 690 to defend in the two NA Masters. But, he can tack on some
ranking points at Washington.

2. Andy has 270 points to defend in the two NA Masters (and is not playing
in Washinton).

3. Grigor has 100 points to defend in the two NA Masters ( and is not playing
in Washington).

It looks like if at all Andy is going to displace someone, it will most probably be Milos.

The above analysis assumes JMDP is not playing USO. If JMDP plays joins the
circuit at USO or earlier, he will not be eligible for protected rankings and will
be seeded based on his current ranking. JMDP will be losing 500 points that
he got by winning Washington DC last year, by the end of this week. As a result,
he will fall to No. 10 by the end of this week in rankings (Grigor and Andy will
move up a spot; Milos is already ahead). If you put JMDP also into the mix, only
two of four folks (Andy, JMDP, Grigor and Milos) can get seedings in top 8 fro USO.
So, there will be huge fight for these slots.

Good analysis, thanks for posting. I will amend it though, because you forgot to mention how much of a cushion Milos has going into this showdown. Even if you subtract his 600 points to defend in Canada, Milos is still ahead of both Grigor and Andy. Therefore the pressure is on the last 2, for the most part.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Yes, Milos has a good cushion and also he is playing DC unlike the other two and
can add some more points there.

Any matches that pits one of these guys against another at either Masters will
be fought extra hard.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Oh, Boy. The prognosis does not look good for Andy if you look at the cushions involved.
Here are the points of the four people mentioned in the previous post when you remove
their points earned in the two NA Masters.

Milos -------- 3230
Grigor ------ 3170
Andy ------- 2770
JMDP ------- 2410

This means Andy has to get at least 400 points more than Grigor in the two Masters
put together or he has to get at least 460 points more than Milos in the two Masters
put together. While not mathematically impossible, this is not going to be an easy task.

If JMDP comes back, he will also be seeded outside of Top 8. Thus, we may potentially
have two good players ranked below the Top 8. That would make the "Labor Day"
(when R16 is played) at USO great.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Herios, after doing the arithmetic it looks like it will be very difficult for Andy. But,
assuming Andy can do it, the pressure is on both Grigor and Milos not to give up
their seat as there is not too much separating them after you take the points away.
There is just a gap of 60 points between them.

So, this will indeed be a three horse race with one loser.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Could be tricky for Andy. Hopefully one of those two has an early loss in one or both of these Masters.

If Andy is seeded 9th for the US Open, his last 16 comes against the guys seeded 5-8, likely to be Berdych, Ferrer, Raonic or Dimitrov. If he sneaks into the top 8 he will face someone seeded 9-12 in the last 16, which would be something like Dimitrov, Nishikori, Gulbis or Gasquet (I'm assuming Gasquet will rank ahead of Isner by then as Isner is defending 600 at Cincinnati). Either way, Murray will be faced with a quarter final with Djokovic, Nadal, Federer or Wawrinka and can't face those guys at any earlier stage.

The first of the two mentioned quartets of potential L16 opponents is certainly trickier but you could also end up with a draw where the 9th seed is set to face Ferrer in that round and the 8th seed is set to face Gulbis or Nishikori. In that case you'd possibly prefer to be the 9th seed. Who knows? I think it's more of a big deal to get in the 9-12 bracket than the 13-16 bracket so you don't have to face the very top guys in round four. It will still be interesting between these guys, though.

In Murray's case, I don't think it makes too much of a difference whether he makes the top 8 or not. If he is in any kind of form to contend for the title, he should be winning against any of those potential opponents, apart from possibly Berdych (who has always caused him trouble) or Dimitrov (who we don't really know will back up his grass court performances). On the contrary, if he plays like he has for most of this year, then any of those opponents have a shot at him.

Top 8 seeding would be a nice bonus and come in handy though for sure, whoever does get it.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Just to avoid Berdych, it is worth getting into top 8.

But, I agree with your general point that there does not seem to be too much
of a difference between the typical quality of the opponent in either case.

However, being in top 8 provides not just seeding advantage. It also gives you
a bye in several Masters tourneys.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Just to avoid Berdych, it is worth getting into top 8.

But, I agree with your general point that there does not seem to be too much
of a difference between the typical quality of the opponent in either case.

However, being in top 8 provides not just seeding advantage. It also gives you
a bye in several Masters tourneys.

I hadn't considered that part. He won't be able to get it in Canada anyway. It would apply in Cincinnati and Shanghai, but not Paris, where all 16 seeds receive a bye, if I'm not mistaken....

If he does miss out on those byes though, maybe the extra match(es) will be good for him though I may be clutching at straws a bit with that one .

 

[TennisFanatic7]

This has been true since Wimbledon, but Murray's biggest points haul in the last 12 months is now from Roland Garros. Slightly unexpected, to say the least.

 

[herios]

New career high as of Aug. 4:

8. Grigor Dimitrov 23y
26. Leonardo Mayer 27y
30. Santiago Giraldo 26y
44. Dominic Thiem 20y
54. Steve Johnson 24y
80. Victor Estrella Burgos 34y

As I mentioned last night, Raonic did not climb on 5, only 6, which equals his career high. That was an error the Live ATP site had, subtracting some points for odd reasons from Tomas Berdych.
Sometimes that sites is incorrect.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Yes, I am bit wary of the live ATP ranking site. In the ATP race rankings also, the cut off
can never increase as the weeks progress. However, the cutoff mentioned in that site
increased in the middle this year, as they did not correctly calculate it previous week.

There was a TF poster who programmed a similar site for WTA (which is actually
little bit harder as their ranking method is more painful). Maybe, we should request
him to do one for ATP also.

 

[sid]

I expect Andy 2 come on strong in the USA & take a higher ranking than he has now.Word is Andy back on his game,Nole & others watch out.

 

[Fiero425]

I expect Andy 2 come on strong in the USA & take a higher ranking than he has now.Word is Andy back on his game,Nole & others watch out.

To me the extra work will just break him down even faster! Nole and the others have little to worry about; esp. in the long term! :nono uzzled :angel:

 

[sid]

I expect Andy 2 come on strong in the USA & take a higher ranking than he has now.Word is Andy back on his game,Nole & others watch out.

To me the extra work will just break him down even faster! Nole and the others have little to worry about; esp. in the long term! :nono uzzled :angel:

Well don't forget i told you Murray was back on his game maybe your Kneel before me:laydownlaughing