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New Career Highs on ATP 100, Monday 24th June,

7. Hurkacz
18. Baez
20. Korda
29. Draper
33. Zhang
59. Mpetshi Perricard
 

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New Career Highs on ATP Top 100, Monday 1st July,

19. Tabilo
28 Draper
43. Cobolli
55.Michelsen
58. Mpetsehi Perricard
 

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Cool battle for this season’s # 1 ranking American.

Tommy Paul briefly supplanted Taylor Fritz as top dog after Queens ( and a career high # 12). After his W Qtrs Taylor is back on top , ranked currently at # 11, Tommy Paul is #13 with only 295 points separating them, & Big Ben Shelton is lurking at # 14.

The fall hardcourt season with these guys, arguably their best surface, should be fun to see how things pan out…

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Alex de Minaur will be ranked at No 6 a new career high when the new rankings come out on Monday July 15
 

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You misunderstand. I am not saying all things were equal between when Borg and Nadal played, but that all things were equal for Borg and the players he faced, just as all things were equal for Rafa and the players he faced.

In other words, Borg's opponents played with the same equipment that he did, so any deficit he had, so too did his opponents. The same with Rafa.

You are talking like Borg played with wood vs. guys playing with graphite. Borg had no deficit, no penalty that his peers didn't also have. It was the context of the game at the time.

Now what you're saying about the difference in equipment (not to mention other factors of the tour differences between the 70s and 2000s) has some bearing on comparing stats across eras. That's why we can't say that Borg "only" ever winning two Slams in a year is automatically lesser than the Big Three's three Slam years...Borg only played the AO once, and before (1974) he reached his very best level (1978-80). This is one of the many reasons why it is difficult to compare players and seasons across wide eras.

But we can say, "How dominant was Borg relative to his peers, and how does that compare to Rafa relative to his peers?" Not an easy question to answer, but the key is comparing them to their peers, not to each other.
Can’t disagree with anything you posted, plus a huge factor and difference in those days is there were 2 or even 3 competing tours . You had the WCT, the ITF ( or was it Grand Prix?) and World Team Tennis was big for a few years. So the competition was spread over several tours, I remember Arthur Ashe sort of passively sniping that Jimmy Connors played the “minor league” tournies most of the year.

Players skipped or boycotted even Slams back then, i think Ken Rosewall didn’t play Wimbledon in both 72 & 73. (73 was the strike but 72 had to do with the tour he was committed to IIRC)

This era we are used to seeing all the top players play the mandated Masters AND all four Slams and the ONE YE ATP finals. Its nice & “tidy” these days, wasn’t so back then.
 

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Can’t disagree with anything you posted, plus a huge factor and difference in those days is there were 2 or even 3 competing tours . You had the WCT, the ITF ( or was it Grand Prix?) and World Team Tennis was big for a few years. So the competition was spread over several tours, I remember Arthur Ashe sort of passively sniping that Jimmy Connors played the “minor league” tournies most of the year.

Players skipped or boycotted even Slams back then, i think Ken Rosewall didn’t play Wimbledon in both 72 & 73. (73 was the strike but 72 had to do with the tour he was committed to IIRC)

This era we are used to seeing all the top players play the mandated Masters AND all four Slams and the ONE YE ATP finals. Its nice & “tidy” these days, wasn’t so back then.

Don't forget the "high paying" exhibtions; usually created thru Jimmy Connors' agent, Bill Riordan! Most of them centered around Connors who couldn't really prove himself w/ the weak players of the time! The end of an era was occurring w/ the aging out of Laver & Rosewall, Nastase was a bit unhinged, & Borg was just coming of age! I believe the biggest & most important exhibition was a rematch of Connors & Newcombe after the Aussie stopped The American from defending his AO Chp.in '75! Connors won, but John still earned that major "down under!" :face-with-hand-over-mouth: :astonished-face: :fearful-face: :yawningface:
 
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New Career Highs on ATP Top 100, Monday July 15

6. De Minaur
26. Draper
28. Fils
44. Mpetschi Perricard
68. Nagal
73. Bergs.
 
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ATP Top Ten, Monday July 15

1. Sinner 9570 points
2. Djokovic 8460
3. Alcaraz 8130
4. Zverev 7015
5. Medvedev 6525
6. De Minaur 4185 (+3)
7. Hurkacz 4105
8. Rublev 4070 (-2)
9. Ruud 4030 (-1)
10. Dimitrov 3770
 

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Worth sharing the Race rankings, which start becoming relevant around now (and give a better sense of their current level of play):

1. Sinner 6200
2. Alcaraz 5950
3. Zverev 4785
4. Medvedev 4000
5. Ruud 3475
6. Djokovic 3160
7. De Minaur 2905
8. Tsitsipas 2565
9. Fritz 2530
10. Paul 2475

Rublev has fallen to 12. Musetti is rising at 14.

Fonseca's at 137 in the Race rankings. Hoping he can sneak into the top 100 by year's end.
 
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Oh, and Rafa's at 170 in the Race. If he wins Bastad, he'll get into the top 100 (Race).
 
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6 Italian men are into the ATP Top 50
12% of the ATP Top 50 is Italian!
1. Sinner
17. Musetti
33. Darderi
40. Arnaldi
48. Cobolli
50 Berrettini After Berrettini won the title today in Swiss Open
 

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Oh, and Rafa's at 170 in the Race. If he wins Bastad, he'll get into the top 100 (Race).

Standards have truly dropped for the Clay GOAT! You guys are imagining thing as you think he's gonna stay in & compete competently at the Olympics! He wasn't just going 3 sets from round 1 in Bastad, he looked bad doing it IMO; errant groundstrokes, DF's, & overdoing the pumping up after a good play! They were few & far between BTW as he allowed players I've never heard of close to taking him out early! When Novak goes 3, it feels like he's just getting extra practice, then turns it on to close out the riff raff of the tour! Rafa's struggling w/ the pace & length going on in these points! The poor ball-kids have to go back to running out his sweaty towels! WHY?:angry-face::astonished-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::lying-face::sneezing-face:
 

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Did you have to say that.. What has big Frenchie done to offend you? that kid came from NOWHERE and now is at #44 ..
Oh please? your joking? He has done nothing to offend me? I dont know the player personally either do you? I just posted lets see how he goes for the rest of the year? touchy arent we? lol!
 
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New Career Highs On ATP Top 100 Monday 22nd July,

20. Fils
31. Zhang
33. Darderi
38. Giron
42. Borges
82. Kovacevic
 

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New ATP Top Ten 22nd July,
1. Sinner
2. Djokovic
3. Alcaraz
4. Zverev
5. Medvedev
6. De Minaur
7. Hurkacz
8. Ruud ( +1)
9. Rublev (-1)
10. Dimitrov
 
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New Career Highs On ATP Top 100 Monday 5th August,

6. Hurkacz
18. Korda
30. Thompson
32. Darderi
33. Cobolli
37. Giron
64. Mensik
78. Kovacevic
86. Walton
91. Carabelli