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Great choice. I would throw in a Ben Hur too, another briliant film from that age.

Lately I feel more inclined again to watch older movies. I am going through Hitchcock now with some movies that I haven't seen before. Recently seen Rope, Dial M for Murder, Rear Window. All great flicks.

I have some Kurosawa movies on the list too.

I have also one gem with me that I watched like more than 10 years ago, it's called Metropolis. It's from german director Fritz Lang, it's a silent movie from 1927 and many say it's a birth of Sci-Fi genre.
I am so glad that you're calling out old films. I feel like such and old lady that I love them.

Kurosawa is a whole conversation, but High and Low is a fun thriller.

I haven't seen Metropolis for years but good call!
 
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Have you seen Ran? It’s one of his best. Dreams is another masterpiece.
I watched Ran, but not the Dreams. I'll put it on the list. From Kurosawa I've seen: Ran, High and Low, Rashomon and Seven Samurai. I have with me also Bad Sleep Well and Stray Dog, these two I'm yet to see.
 
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I watched Ran, but not the Dreams. I'll put it on the list. From Kurosawa I've seen: Ran, High and Low, Rashomon and Seven Samurai. I have with me also Bad Sleep Well and Stray Dog, these two I'm yet to see.
I have not seen Ran for many years, but it was never my favorite. (Sorry, @tented.) Have not seen Dreams. Was that his last film?
 

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now you've done it. I'm going to have to watch El Cid again for the 20th time!
I have never seen El Cid. And I did study the epic poem. I worry it won't play as well on the small screen?
 

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I have never seen El Cid. And I did study the epic poem. I worry it won't play as well on the small screen?
with Charlton Heston and Sophia Loren. It's glorious! One of the great epic movies. I highly highly recommend it. There are certain movies of that era that need to be watched, that one is darn near the top of the list. Big Country with Gregory Peck is of that ilk
 
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with Charlton Heston and Sophia Loren. It's glorious! One of the great epic movies. I highly highly recommend it. There are certain movies of that era that need to be watched, that one is darn near the top of the list. Big Country with Gregory Peck is of that ilk
Oh, I know the film. I've just never seen it. TBH, Charlton Heston has never been one of my faves. (And, my hand to my heart, that's from before the whole NRA thing. It's just the big choppers and the whole over-acting thing. Though Sofia Loren is one of my all-time favorites, so there's a push-pull there.) The problem was, I think, the same as the one I had with Lawrence of Arabia until I saw it on the big screen in all of its 70mm glory, when it jump up to one of my favorites. It's just that some films are sort of unwatchable on the small screen, or certainly were when I was a kid. (The whole "pan-and-scan" desecration of films.) That's why I asked you about watching it on the small screen. Obviously, we can find wide-screen versions now, and my TV is bigger, and I can calibrate the color. Maybe I'll ask my local cinema that does 70mm to bring it back! I would love to see it...properly.
 

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Sony Trinitron 14" in 2023? :D
Oh, laugh. It's bigger than that, but not much. The one in the country house is pretty huge, but then we have to talk everyone into 3 hours of "El Cid." :lol6:
 
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Napoleon.
Only Ridley Scott might have taken on a ambitious film as Napoleon, Scott dosent succeed. maybe because the subject is too vast and complex to be crammed into 2 1/2 hours.
The cinematography was commendable and visually captivating, as Ridley Scott's work usually is, though no matter how well you shoot a film artistically, a poor script can prove to be a films undoing. as I felt it does lack substance.
Phoenix chose to play Napoleon as an introvert, grumpy and troubled, though devoted to his official duties, tortured by a sense of destiny
Vanessa Kirby, played Napoleon's wife, Josephine, her performance was patchy, didnt take control of the role and make it her own. The line " You are nothing without me" hardly held good in terms of her role in the film.
In the end Napoleon could have been made with more care. While the attention to detail was prevalent in the battle sequences didnt disappoint, the lack of plot twists I felt let this film down.
 
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Oh, I know the film. I've just never seen it. TBH, Charlton Heston has never been one of my faves. (And, my hand to my heart, that's from before the whole NRA thing. It's just the big choppers and the whole over-acting thing. Though Sofia Loren is one of my all-time favorites, so there's a push-pull there.) The problem was, I think, the same as the one I had with Lawrence of Arabia until I saw it on the big screen in all of its 70mm glory, when it jump up to one of my favorites. It's just that some films are sort of unwatchable on the small screen, or certainly were when I was a kid. (The whole "pan-and-scan" desecration of films.) That's why I asked you about watching it on the small screen. Obviously, we can find wide-screen versions now, and my TV is bigger, and I can calibrate the color. Maybe I'll ask my local cinema that does 70mm to bring it back! I would love to see it...properly.
I hear you re: Charlton Heston and the NRA thing. There are a lot of actors whose politics I either don't gel with or at the very least I would rather not know. Charlton Heston was one, John Wayne is perhaps the worst, the draft dodging in particular but the race issues too. But I still love their work product. The fact is there are actors in this era that I find problematic Rachel Ziegler for one. I don't believe I've seen anything of hers to date, or at least I wasn't aware of it. But for me the art is the art. I make a special exception for Amber Heard, I will actively refuse to watch anything with her in it, and this will surprise you... not directly because of her, but for the craven film companies that have permitted her to continue having a career while a court of law has revealed her as an abuser who actively sought to get her victim cancelled. These same film companies were willing to cancel Depp on the accusation alone, but won't do anything against her despite the court revelations. Make that make sense. These companies don't deserve my money or attention.

But back to Elcid.. I have no doubt it would be even better to watch it on a big screen, I believe I've seen a cut on wide screen before. But here's the thing.. the accompanying music mitigates this. There was a time when music could do that, add grandeur to something even if the medium was inadequate. They built films differently once upon a time
 
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Napoleon.
Only Ridley Scott might have taken on a ambitious film as Napoleon, Scott dosent succeed. maybe because the subject is too vast and complex to be crammed into 2 1/2 hours.
The cinematography was commendable and visually captivating, as Ridley Scott's work usually is, though no matter how well you shoot a film artistically, a poor script can prove to be a films undoing. as I felt it does lack substance.
Phoenix chose to play Napoleon as an introvert, grumpy and troubled, though devoted to his official duties, tortured by a sense of destiny
Vanessa Kirby, played Napoleon's wife, Josephine, her performance was patchy, didnt take control of the role and make it her own. The line " You are nothing without me" hardly held good in terms of her role in the film.
In the end Napoleon could have been made with more care. While the attention to detail was prevalent in the battle sequences didnt disappoint, the lack of plot twists I felt let this film down.
Thanks for the review, Margaret!

It‘s the growing consensus that Scott made a $200 million flop, with many reviews pointing out what you said: it’s too big for a film. I’m surprised he didn’t make a miniseries instead. He could have taken his time to get the pacing and series of events just right.
 
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Thanks for the review, Margaret!

It‘s the growing consensus that Scott made a $200 million flop, with many reviews pointing out what you said: it’s too big for a film. I’m surprised he didn’t make a miniseries instead. He could have taken his time to get the pacing and series of events just right.
Agree, though if he did take the time to get the series of events right it would have been a longer film.The reviews here in Sydney were poor, though I decided to go and make up my own mind, my husband thought this was the worst film he has made,that was his opinion.
 
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I hear you re: Charlton Heston and the NRA thing. There are a lot of actors whose politics I either don't gel with or at the very least I would rather not know. Charlton Heston was one, John Wayne is perhaps the worst, the draft dodging in particular but the race issues too. But I still love their work product. The fact is there are actors in this era that I find problematic Rachel Ziegler for one. I don't believe I've seen anything of hers to date, or at least I wasn't aware of it. But for me the art is the art. I make a special exception for Amber Heard, I will actively refuse to watch anything with her in it, and this will surprise you... not directly because of her, but for the craven film companies that have permitted her to continue having a career while a court of law has revealed her as an abuser who actively sought to get her victim cancelled. These same film companies were willing to cancel Depp on the accusation alone, but won't do anything against her despite the court revelations. Make that make sense. These companies don't deserve my money or attention.

But back to Elcid.. I have no doubt it would be even better to watch it on a big screen, I believe I've seen a cut on wide screen before. But here's the thing.. the accompanying music mitigates this. There was a time when music could do that, add grandeur to something even if the medium was inadequate. They built films differently once upon a time
Just to be clear, I said that I didn't like Charlton Heston as an actor, politics aside. (I only mentioned his politics, lest you think it was that. He actually started out as a liberal Democrat, actively, but hardened over the years.) He just never appealed to me, especially as a romantic lead. There are films of his that I love: Ben-Hur and Touch of Evil, because they're great films! Same with John Wayne...I don't love him as an actor, but I do love some of the films he's in. I think with both of them, it's in part that they preferred to work in genres that I don't (and never did) love as much: Biblical epics, for the former, and Westerns, for the latter. I will add here, though, that I will see and can love any film in any genre, if I love the filmmaking.

I'm glad you brought "El Cid" back to my attention, though, and I will seek it out. I just want to see it properly, in some form. As to the way they made those old films...I do agree, in terms of some of those great epics, though the inclination is still there. Remember that when El Cid was made (1961), Hollywood was trying to draw people into the theaters with innovations they couldn't get from the small screen at home. Technicolor! Cinemascope! Great soundtracks. That's why I say that the inclination is still there. You have to make "big-screen" movies, or the movie theaters will die.

This is a bigger discussion, but there are a lot of forces at work that are killing theatre-going, especially since the pandemic. No longer do people have tiny, b/w screens at home. They have home theaters, with great sound systems and big screens. (Despite @Front242 making fun of mine. :lulz1: ) Now Netflix makes a film, releases it in theaters for a couple of weeks, then straight to streaming. Who's going to pay $18 to see a film that they can watch at home for the price of a subscription they already pay for? That's why we have IMAX and Dolby and, for us lucky few, some 70mm film projectors left. IMO, it will be sad if one day we really have no more movie houses.
 
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Since we're talking about "Napoleon," I'll ask about favorite war films, which I was going to, anyway.

"Ran" was recently mentioned, which is not my favorite of the Kurosawa films. Too much war. I just rewatched "Saving Private Ryan." Same complaint. The battle scenes become tiresome. Sort of like action films where the car chases go on forever. I have a lot of problems with "Saving Private Ryan," as derivative, though very well-made, and well-acted. Spielberg schmaltz being one. (Love Spielberg sometimes...less so, other times.)

So I'm wondering what war films people especially love. I haven't really thought of my own answer to this question, though I'll mention an old and maybe a bit obscure one: "A Walk in the Sun." (1945.) It's subtle, character-driven, and it's about the US invasion of Italy, which is less-common.

On the opposite end of the "subtlety" spectrum is "Apocalypse, Now." To me, it's an absolutely genius evocation of war as a nightmarish fever-dream.
 
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Since we're talking about "Napoleon," I'll ask about favorite war films, which I was going to, anyway.

"Ran" was recently mentioned, which is not my favorite of the Kurosawa films. Too much war. I just rewatched "Saving Private Ryan." Same complaint. The battle scenes become tiresome. Sort of like action films where the car chases go on forever. I have a lot of problems with "Saving Private Ryan," as derivative, though very well-made, and well-acted. Spielberg schmaltz being one. (Love Spielberg sometimes...less so, other times.)

So I'm wondering what war films people especially love. I haven't really thought of my own answer to this question, though I'll mention an old and maybe a bit obscure one: "A Walk in the Sun." (1945.) It's subtle, character-driven, and it's about the US invasion of Italy, which is less-common.

On the opposite end of the "subtlety" spectrum is "Apocalypse, Now." To me, it's an absolutely genius evocation of war as a nightmarish fever-dream.

“Apocalypse Now” is the best. Or at least the most artistic. “Heart of Darkness”, the documentary about the making of “Apocalypse Now” is also well worth watching. I can’t imagine having been there as Coppola made this.

“The Thin Red Line” - Terrance Malick’s masterpiece, loaded with great performances and, of course, cinematography.

“The Grand Illusion” - the 1936 film by Jean Renoir about WWI. I rewatched this again earlier this year. Even though it’s about 90 years old, and about a war from over a century ago, it holds up perfectly.

“Paths of Glory” - Stanley Kubrick‘s movie about WWI is one of the all-time great films, not just among war films.
 
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So I'm wondering what war films people especially love. I haven't really thought of my own answer to this question, though I'll mention an old and maybe a bit obscure one: "A Walk in the Sun." (1945.) It's subtle, character-driven, and it's about the US invasion of Italy, which is less-common.
Not sure if all classify as war movies:

The Deer Hunter (1978) - One of my favorite movies in general, starring John Cazale too.
Full Metal Jacket (1987) - Kubrick
The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957)
Das Boot (1981) - WWII from a U-boat.

and some from 2000s,

Jarhead (2005)
Hurtlocker (2008)

Thin Red Line is a fantastic movie too, I really loved that one.

Apocalypse Now - I have to watch it again @tented . I think I was too young to fully understand it at the time. I often find that as I grow older and in some way wiser, then I give some movie another chance and find out it is actually great.

Some nice suggestions by both of you. Thnx.