Swiss Indoors Basel 2019, Switzerland, ATP 500

[herios]

I am not so familiar with the naming convention in Spain as @Moxie is, but is clear that many of them use all of them from the get go: RBA, PCB, GGL, etc.
Indeed, I remember that Ramos added Vinolas later on, and so did Arantxa Sanchez back in the day, she did not use Vicario at the beginning of her career.

 

[Moxie]

I am not so familiar with the naming convention in Spain as @Moxie is, but is clear that many of them use all of them from the get go: RBA, PCB, GGL, etc.
Indeed, I remember that Ramos added Vinolas later on, and do did Arsntxa Sanchez back in the day, she did not use Vicario at the beginning of her career.

It's fairly simple, just not what we're used to. As in most cultures, a child takes the father's surname. Only in the Spanish culture, they also append the mother's last name, as well. It's like a family tree. But the favored surname is still the father's, which is the first surname. Say, herios, your father was John Smith, and your mother Mary Doe. You would be Herios Smith Doe, but you would be normally known as Herios Smith. Or you could be Herios Smith Doe, your full formal name. It's like the second surname is "silent," or optional. Does that help?

 

[Fiero425]

I am not so familiar with the naming convention in Spain as @Moxie is, but is clear that many of them use all of them from the get go: RBA, PCB, GGL, etc.
Indeed, I remember that Ramos added Vinolas later on, and so did Arantxa Sanchez back in the day, she did not use Vicario at the beginning of her career.

Yeah, Arantxa decided to honor her mother by adding her maiden name to hers after FO win in '89! She was such a winner, but her idiot family frittered away her $$ I guess! I can't remember the particulars, but as usual family and money are soon parted as they say! I hope she's not "on the street;" last time I saw her was at an awards program of some sort and she gave a quick interview! Still a little rosebud! ;-)

 

[Bonaca]

It's fairly simple, just not what we're used to. As in most cultures, a child takes the father's surname. Only in the Spanish culture, they also append the mother's last name, as well. It's like a family tree. But the favored surname is still the father's, which is the first surname. Say, herios, your father was John Smith, and your mother Mary Doe. You would be Herios Smith Doe, but you would be normally known as Herios Smith. Or you could be Herios Smith Doe, your full formal name. It's like the second surname is "silent," or optional. Does that help?

I like that, mothers should be much more appreciated .

 

[herios]

It's fairly simple, just not what we're used to. As in most cultures, a child takes the father's surname. Only in the Spanish culture, they also append the mother's last name, as well. It's like a family tree. But the favored surname is still the father's, which is the first surname. Say, herios, your father was John Smith, and your mother Mary Doe. You would be Herios Smith Doe, but you would be normally known as Herios Smith. Or you could be Herios Smith Doe, your full formal name. It's like the second surname is "silent," or optional. Does that help?

Yes, it certainly does. Thanks! I learned something new ...

 

[Ricardo]

It's fairly simple, just not what we're used to. As in most cultures, a child takes the father's surname. Only in the Spanish culture, they also append the mother's last name, as well. It's like a family tree. But the favored surname is still the father's, which is the first surname. Say, herios, your father was John Smith, and your mother Mary Doe. You would be Herios Smith Doe, but you would be normally known as Herios Smith. Or you could be Herios Smith Doe, your full formal name. It's like the second surname is "silent," or optional. Does that help?

Isn’t that sexism?

 

[Moxie]

Isn’t that sexism?

It's patriarchal, same as all the Western naming standards. There are more options to use the mother's name, though it's still the mother's father's name. Picasso, for example, is the artist's mother's last name.

 

[Jelenafan]

Hispanics don’t believe in short names, I’ll tell you that. And if Roman Catholic in background, some women have technically “ Maria” as their first name but are commonly referred by their second or middle name , as in Maria Guadalupe, or Maria de Carmen, or Maria Luisa, etc etc.

 

[Bonaca]

I see no real challenge for Roger except the SF against the Greek.
Should be his next title.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Fed won again easily. Next up is most likely Wawrinka (assuming he can defeat Tiafoe).

But, Wawrinka is just coming from another tourney and so played his first match only today and so he
will be playing all his matches on consecutive days.

That does not look like a good schedule to beat Fed who will be rested a day before facing Stan
(for whom it will be the third consecutive match if he faces Fed).

 

[Fiero425]

Fed won again easily. Next up is most likely Wawrinka (assuming he can defeat Tiafoe).

But, Wawrinka is just coming from another tourney and so played his first match only today and so he
will be playing all his matches on consecutive days.

That does not look like a good schedule to beat Fed who will be rested a day before facing Stan
(for whom it will be the 3rd cons. match if he faces Fed).

All I can say to myself is "cry me a river!" We need to stop and get over this pity party for fame HO millionaires! The Munchausen syndrome needs to be put on hold! If he's tired or too old, DON'T PLAY! I've been saying the same for Fed for years now! They accommodate him of course so he usually doesn't have to deal with this situation of being overplayed! Stan can control his own destiny by being more aggressive and closing out points in a timely fashion instead of just trying to wait out Tiafoe who's playing quite well making the 2nd round of even this tourney! :whistle:

 

[herios]

All I can say to myself is "cry me a river!" We need to stop and get over this pity party for fame HO millionaires! The Munchausen syndrome needs to be put on hold! If he's tired or too old, DON'T PLAY! I've been saying the same for Fed for years now! They accommodate him of course so he usually doesn't have to deal with this situation of being overplayed! Stan can control his own destiny by being more aggressive and closing out points in a timely fashion instead of just trying to wait out Tiafoe who's playing quite well making the 2nd round of even this tourney! :whistle:

2 round of each event is not an outstanding accomplishment.

 

[Fiero425]

2 round of each event is not an outstanding accomplishment.

Oh really? So when was the last time you did it? :whistle: :cuckoo: & Seek

 

[Ricardo]

It's patriarchal, same as all the Western naming standards. There are more options to use the mother's name, though it's still the mother's father's name. Picasso, for example, is the artist's mother's last name.

So patriarchal system should be destroyed to make way for gender equality no?

 

[Moxie]

So patriarchal system should be destroyed to make way for gender equality no?

It's fine if you need to think so.

 

[Ricardo]

It's fine if you need to think so.

Then again the world as we know wouldn’t exist without inventions of men, something has to give

 

[Moxie]

Then again the world as we know wouldn’t exist without inventions of men, something has to give

Odd way of getting from one thing to another.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Then again the world as we know wouldn’t exist without inventions of men, something has to give

"the world as we know wouldn’t exist" without women caring for children and the integrity of their households while men are playing with their "inventions". The world "without inventions of men" on the other hand, would be perhaps poorer but would still exist.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Odd way of getting from one thing to another.

Let's call said "odd way" properly: sexism. Sexists like to see sexism everywhere, even if it does not exist in objective opinions.

 

[tented]

Tsitsipas drops the first set to Berankis in a tiebreak.