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Playing on clay we always used light balls? I remember when Rafa played in slow ,heavy and rainy conditions in a final at RG,years ago,the balls were light.Other players have also complained about the balls being heavier than needed.I have no idea what the official were thinking with changing the balls.....hopefully next year RG will be in its rightful place in the summer.Most of the tour is played in the various countries in summer.....of course we can also look at a positive, players are grateful that the USO and RG went ahead.,with soo many tournaments had to be cancelled due to covid-19.
I don't think balls are either merely heavy or light. There are lots of options, like the amount of fluff or wharf on the outside. But, to your point, when Rafa and Novak were playing that final in 2012, and it started to rain, the balls got wet and the clay adhered to the balls. We actually saw that in Hamburg last week. The balls got so covered in clay they actually changed color and were harder to see on TV. In any case, when the clay sticks to the balls, it makes them heavier. So, given that we're having this RG in the autumn, when the weather is going to be colder and damper, why in the world would they chose an already heavier ball? Given that conditions might very likely make the balls heavier or lower-bouncing, anyway? Cool temperature and night conditions, (which we will have a lot of, as Paris only has 12 hours of daylight at this time,) dampness and indoors will all make the balls bounce lower, anyway. This should all favor flatter-ball hitters, and oddly, perhaps, grass players, because the surface is natural, and you get odd bounces, so improvisational skills will be prized. I'm expecting that points will be shorter, net play will factor more, and the big servers might do better than expected.
 

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I don't think balls are either merely heavy or light. There are lots of options, like the amount of fluff or wharf on the outside. But, to your point, when Rafa and Novak were playing that final in 2012, and it started to rain, the balls got wet and the clay adhered to the balls. We actually saw that in Hamburg last week. The balls got so covered in clay they actually changed color and were harder to see on TV. In any case, when the clay sticks to the balls, it makes them heavier. So, given that we're having this RG in the autumn, when the weather is going to be colder and damper, why in the world would they chose an already heavier ball? Given that conditions might very likely make the balls heavier or lower-bouncing, anyway? Cool temperature and night conditions, (which we will have a lot of, as Paris only has 12 hours of daylight at this time,) dampness and indoors will all make the balls bounce lower, anyway. This should all favor flatter-ball hitters, and oddly, perhaps, grass players, because the surface is natural, and you get odd bounces, so improvisational skills will be prized. I'm expecting that points will be shorter, net play will factor more, and the big servers might do better than expected.

I was live at the final in 2012....conditions were bleak especially for the fans,lets alone the players,unusual for that time of year as well.To me it is madness they changed the balls at RG this year,trying to hit through the ball in these cold,heavy and sometimes wet conditions with a heavier ball does not make sense to me at all,no wonder they players are complaining.
 
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Cilic - Thiem is on. I hope Marin can make this match interesting.
 
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Cilic - Thiem is on. I hope Marin can make this match interesting.
Dont look so.
he has the groundstroke power but at the moment he is a UFE machine.
Austrija just keeps the ball in play and wait for mistakes, nadalesque!
 

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Felix out in straights to Nishioka.
 

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Glad to see Thiem come through in straight sets. Definitely needs to keep these matches short given what his draw looks like.

He got thru in straights, but wtf happened to Opelka? He was my "rising star" from a couple years ago even though this was clay! He wasn't going to win, but conditions must be awful for him to go out in straight sets to a rejuvenated Sock! FAA also went down in flames to some nobody! Why'd these people even fly over to Paris? Now Serena's struggling against some girl that's only won 2 matches on clay! :facepalm:
 

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He got thru in straights, but wtf happened to Opelka? He was my "rising star" from a couple years ago even though this was clay! He wasn't going to win, but conditions must be awful for him to go out in straight sets to a rejuvenated Sock! FAA also went down in flames to some nobody! Why'd these people even fly over to Paris? Now Serena's struggling against some girl that's only won 2 matches on clay! :facepalm:

I’m not surprised Serena is struggling her movement at the US Open was suspect, and I don’t expect it to have improved here.
 
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My man Fognini goes down to Kukushin. I watched 3 games in the 2nd set. Tennis was awful, I had to turn it off.
 
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My man Fognini goes down to Kukushin. I watched 3 games in the 2nd set. Tennis was awful, I had to turn it off.
Sorry about that. He's only played a tiny bit since his ankle surgeries.
 

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Resurrection of the Sock! I hope he doesn' start throwing his socks once again now that he is on a roll, 4 wins including 3 before the main draw.
It seems that the conditions (and maybe the balls?) are not favorable to the server. Opelka didn't even't get one set to a TB! Serena lost her first service game of her match, in what was probably the longest service game she'd ever played. And Cilic didn't serve one ace until the 3rd set. What does that tell you? The heavy conditions give the returner more time, I'd say.
 
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Thiem said he likes the conditions. I would imagine so, it gives him time to wind up for his shots. For big servers, I imagine not getting as many free points on your serve is a tough go, but if you are an equally gifted returner it’s not so bad.
 

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Then again, Serena fired off like 11 aces, but I’m not sure should she progress that will continue as wear and tear might make it harder. I do wonder if conditions are indeed favoring the returner if we will see the bigger servers adjust and take some off to get their first serve in, and focus on the return.
 

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Bob is looking a bit concerned, is he picking his butt more often than usually?
Jesus Christ this is looking ridiculous.
 

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good win by Nadal it was smart for him to choose to go down a break to play himself into form, also really bad the umpire unfairly warning Nadal for nothing. djokovic would have lost the match the way gerasimov was playing LOL
 
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The French Open this year reminds me of my high school playing tennis team days.

Breaks of serve buffet.

For the most part serving was the last thing really learned in basic tennis "back in the day!" For some reason I didn't have a problem; maybe the long arms! It was shocking if I didn't have a couple aces each service game! Most kids just didn't have the confidence in taking that full, extended wind-up to serve, preferring to "pooch tap in" trying to get the ball in the box! It was embarrassing to see at times! How'd they make a team? All our members were proficient in every stroke, but a lot of HS kids were weekend warriors and were probably just thrown out there to field a team at the last minute; boys and girls! :face-with-head-bandage:
 
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Glad to see Bob winning in straights.
He needs to save energy for his QF and SF.
I’m a bit concerned he will not reach the F.
He was not looking good, and that after being destroyed by Diego on slow clay court. Novak won against Schwartzman with very good level.
Novak is best on clay so far.
Hopefully Bob can roll into form to put down the Boobs and the Sensitive one, but there is big doubt he will.
 
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