Rio Olympics Official Thread - Men's Tennis

[Tennis Fan]

ohmy -- that is not right to do that to RAFA.

first of all - KEI -- SHOULD NOT have done that to ''take a breather' if he was ''behind" - but also the officiating should have imposed a strict regimen for kei NOT to take longer than a specified REASONABLE time for a ''bathroom' break. unless it is a clear injury-medical time out with the requisite protocols as they have become official -- a ''toilet" 12 minute - imo-- does not count as ''normal'' bathroom break.

for something like that -- patricularluy for males -- you RUN take a pee -- put that pecker back in -- wash hands -- go out RUN -- and go back to the match. end of story.

and since actually taking a shit that DOES take longer -- can not reasonably or ''etiquette-correct" be ''checked" as to whether you're making a DUMP with all the stink -- to have a toilet break like that is somethign that the athlete -- knowing what matches are about -- should have DONE Beofore the match .

take care of those things like eating and so on - before the match. and come to match prepared to go the long -- so that your stomach is good--

and this is unlike pete sampras guzzling down liters of pepsi like he did -- on court and stupidly enough -- started vomiting against alex corretja!! lol -- but which clearly happened on court -

but KEI did not ''imbibe' anything on court to cause such an 'emergency" -- and if he did BEFORE match - that is HIS fault and should have known better ...especially in this day and age of nutritionists and teams of medical and eating and preparing advisers.

so -- to ME -- IT WAS gamesmanship on the part of KEI to ''catch his brreath" longer than was fair TO nadal.

this was unfair to nadal.

Absolutely and Kei's gamesmanship cannot be white-washed in this matter. He was also allowed to go to the closest bathroom on Centre Court, whereas Nadal had to be walked to Court 1. This is hogwash. Kei has done nothing in the game to warrant such supremacy. I'm not even hearing that mess.

 

[Tennis Fan]

Have you ever eaten a Mutton Vindaloo Curry?

No, but the Mutton Vindaloo Curry didn't kick in until he lost 5 games in a row. No excuse for Kei, and a shower? NO!

 

[Carol]

Kei has a pretty clean record actually, not just that but also didn't hold up his opponent, or resort to on court coaching and other stuff. A gaming player does't do it once, it's usually long term.

Kai has the record to looks "injured" when he is playing. His way to act yesterday was ugly and disgraceful with all the pleasure of the Bernades who is a jerk with capital letters but if for you to take 12-15 minutes toilet break and including a shower is normal and correct then I don't think I have to discuss more about it with you, it's not worth

 

[Tennis Fan]

Kai has the record to looks "injured" when he is playing. His way to act yesterday was ugly and disgraceful with all the pleasure of the Bernades who is a jerk with capital letters but if for you to take 12-15 minutes toilet break and including a shower is normal and correct then I don't think I have to discuss more about it with you, it's not worth

I don't see how his behavior can be excused when people complain about mere seconds, and don't bat an eyelash at 12 full minutes! That's just crazy to me.

 

[Carol]

Exactly, apply the same standards across the board. During one of Federer's matches a few years back he went on a toilet break. I was watching on ESPN and didn't think anything about it. This was when Cahill was his coach, I believe. But later I watched the same match on TTC and the commentator actually admitted on air that Cahill called him on the phone with tactics. Not one word was breathed about that, but I heard it with my own ears. I've also been at tournaments and seen coaches calling out repeatedly during the match. These coaches don't sit in the players box, they sit with the regular fans and they were shouting. The umpire didn't say a word.

And the word on the street is that Federer's box covers the mikes in his box, but they'll never tell you that.

There are many ways to be coaching from the box and not just with words and I was told from a good sources that some players get many signs which are more effective than one word but of course their fans are not going to critic that......you know what I mean....
And yes, many players take a toilet break, nothing bad with that but so long and taking a shower? come on
But if someones are agree with that I hope since now that their fav has to go through the same circumstances, his opponent does the same and we'll see what they say, then it would be a different story

 

[Carol]

I don't see how his behavior can be excused when people complain about mere seconds, and don't bat an eyelash at 12 full minutes! That's just crazy to me.

People complain about "seconds" by Rafa but what about Delpo who takes so long walking between points but when he is playing is running like a greyhound (he got a warning playing to Muzz) or even Muzz is walking slowly too or the other one bouncing the ball 100 times or smashing the racket or complaining to the Umpire, all these takes too many seconds too....

 

[Tennis Fan]

There are many ways to be coaching from the box and not just with words and I was told from a good sources that some players get many signs which are more effective than one word but of course their fans are not going to critic that......you know what I mean....
And yes, many players take a toilet break, nothing bad with that but so long and taking a shower? come on
But if someones are agree with that I hope since now that their fav has to go through the same circumstances, his opponent does the same and we'll see what they say, then it would be a different story

Even the commentators admit that most players get coaching. I know because I've experienced it every tennis match that I've been at. My sister gets to take advantage of the corporate boxes and we're very close to the players. The problem is that they call out Rafa only. Do you remember when Mary Carillo said that her friend was sitting next to Rafa's box and Uncle Toni was calling out tactics in Spanish?

What a lie. Number One, why didn't her "friend" come forward, and Number Two, why didn't she report it? That was strictly for gullible fans to believe, which many people swallowed hook, line and sinker.

But when their faves get "persecuted" they're all up in arms. I have a problem with that. I believe in what's right, and that doesn't change despite how I feel about the player/person. This unbridled and unnecessary hatred is poisonous and it explains why the world is in the state that it's in.

I don't have to like any player, but you won't see me p*ssing on them day in and day out, because I have enough sense to know that a sour disposition like that is not a reflection on the player, but it would be on my own messed up frame of mind.

 

[Tennis Fan]

People complain about "seconds" by Rafa but what about Delpo who takes so long walking between points but when he is playing is running like a greyhound (he got a warning playing to Muzz) or even Muzz is walking slowly too or the other one bouncing the ball 100 times or smashing the racket or complaining to the Umpire, all these takes too many seconds too....

I remember when they first started this bogus time violation crap. I've been watching tennis for decades. And, all you have to do is look at an old classic match and you'll see how long they took between points. McEnroe being one of the main ones who "violated" the rule that was never enforced. Ever. But to malign Rafa they decided to put a shot clock on the screen.

However, that didn't work, because what they found out was that most players took longer than the archaic, irrelevant rule. Does anyone complain about the minutes lost during a match when someone stops the game to argue with the umpire, or lean on the walls to catch their breath? Or what about Sharapova's routine which clearly was over the allotted time consistently. No, another blind eye to that as well.

Anyway, their "experiment" didn't work so they went back to just saying, because that was effective enough. They knew most people wouldn't take note of their glaring inconsistencies, and they didn't.

Talking about a few seconds when we have players cursing on court, trying to intentionally strike other players when they're losing, cursing out fans, and hitting balls into the stands. All of that is excusable, but not one second on that BS witch hunt.

I can't with that kind of logic, or lack thereof. If you're not going to address everybody, then don't address just one person. That's what makes it unfair, unless we're to assume that everyone else on the tour is perfect and we know that's not true.

 

[Carol]

I remember when they first started this bogus time violation crap. I've been watching tennis for decades. And, all you have to do is look at an old classic match and you'll see how long they took between points. McEnroe being one of the main ones who "violated" the rule that was never enforced. Ever. But to malign Rafa they decided to put a shot clock on the screen.

However, that didn't work, because what they found out was that most players took longer than the archaic, irrelevant rule. Does anyone complain about the minutes lost during a match when someone stops the game to argue with the umpire, or lean on the walls to catch their breath? Or what about Sharapova's routine which clearly was over the allotted time consistently. No, another blind to that as well.

Anyway, their "experiment" didn't work so they went back to just saying, because that was effective enough. They knew most people wouldn't take note of their glaring inconsistencies, and they didn't.

Talking about a few seconds when we have players cursing on court, trying to intentionally strike other players when they're losing, cursing out fans, and hitting balls into the stands. All of that is excusable, but not one second on that BS witch hunt.

I can't with that kind of logic, or lack thereof.

Well said Tennis Fan but unfortunately Rafa started to play in the wrong time beaten several times the wrong guy who was worshiped for many people which can't forget that. To them it doesn't matter what the others playes do but what Rafa does, same old same old but like my father always said "when you are doing good things but some people talk bad about you it's because you are someone very important, envied and they can't ignore you"

 

[Tennis Fan]

Well said Tennis Fan but unfortunately Rafa started to play in the wrong time beaten several times the wrong guy who was worshiped for many people which can't forget that. To them it doesn't matter what the others playes do but what Rafa does, same old same old but like my father always said "when you are doing good things but some people talk bad about you it's because you are someone very important, envied and they can't ignore you"

That's exactly what the problem is. I'm well aware of that. They also say people only pick the good apples off of the tree. They will never forgive Rafa for beating "the wrong one" since he was seventeen years old. It's sad, that you can hold onto to that for over a decade and you still can't get the venom out of your blood.

You don't see me dogging players out every day, because most of them aren't that relevant to me. The fact that Rafa stays on your mind and you're not a fan, says more about you than it does about him.

I pick Rafa over every male tennis player, or sportsman that I've ever seen in my life. I don't believe in heroes, but I do point out to my son how to remain humble regardless of any success you have in life, and Rafa is the best example that I've seen. Period.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Kei isn't the only one who has taken toilet breaks, so that's harsh to focus on him. It is not something one can really control, like if the player ate something a bit off which he didn't know, hardly his fault. A match can last an hour, some 5 hours plus, it's not reasonable to generalise toilet breaks as gamesmanship.

Of course players can always choose to crap in their pants.....so they can avoid being labelled as such. But i doubt they really give a shit when nature calls.

ohi agree... players have done it themselves -- the bottom line with all of them is ''taking time out" for gamesmanship.

to me -- that is what kei did - and should not have done it, just because others did.

BUT as you remind us -- it also does not excuse any others - including nadal in his own time -- whether it's the''serving time' things and ll that.

but although it also sound ''picking on kei" here -- it is because it is what it is -- the instance of this particular incident.

when time comes it's someone else that does it -- it could be nadal himself -- HE'll get picked on to - and rightly so if he did. which will highloight the point you made --

others indeed have done it....and here is where MOXIE made a very good point --

that whether or not nadal himself also had ''bent the rules' -- better to have just said nothing and let it be.

thanks for the point made.

 

[teddytennisfan]

I guess you're right if it wasn't gamesmanship. We won't know for sure, but I'm not aware Kei has a track record for doing it, so maybe he should have the benefit of the doubt.

i called it gamesmanship myself -- if that means -- trying to disrupt or put out of rhythm the opponent...

but now that there are also more views on this - as well as some of you showing the over-all patterns of players -- it does seem to be that kei had a rather ''cleaner'' record than most at that level...so -- gamesmanship it is for me - but i would then notch it down as not ''characteristic".

it\s a matter of infractions and whether or not they are becoming habitual.

a person can blow up once but that doesn't mean that person is quarrelsome ...

 

[teddytennisfan]

Exactly, apply the same standards across the board. During one of Federer's matches a few years back he went on a toilet break. I was watching on ESPN and didn't think anything about it. This was when Cahill was his coach, I believe. But later I watched the same match on TTC and the commentator actually admitted on air that Cahill called him on the phone with tactics. Not one word was breathed about that, but I heard it with my own ears. I've also been at tournaments and seen coaches calling out repeatedly during the match. These coaches don't sit in the players box, they sit with the regular fans and they were shouting. The umpire didn't say a word.

And the word on the street is that Federer's box covers the mikes in his box, but they'll never tell you that.

really? i never knew that. sometimes this is when ''impressions'' can make a big difference ...one would think that becuse roger had been themost vocal in being against mid-match coaching -- if i remember correctly -- he just in principle didn't get coached himself..but then -- when you see it's done for him -- the picture suddenly changes...

wasn't there a time when he was open about saying uncle toni did that ? or didn't like the way nole's famly or group screamed their support at the AO AND told them on court "shut up?" and then say ?

oooppsss...wasn't he supposed to be ''immaculate?" lol.

but i think what ALL of these things prove is -- they ARE human -- they are not perfect -- and for US -- it is also a matter of WHICH infractions of which players WE ''prefer" to be more ''forgivable" because of our liking or disliking a player..and that TOO tells a lot abotu US, in a way.

but they are still infractions of a kind, big or small - they are infractions.

 

[Carol]

really? i never knew that. sometimes this is when ''impressions'' can make a big difference ...one would think that becuse roger had been themost vocal in being against mid-match coaching -- if i remember correctly -- he just in principle didn't get coached himself..but then -- when you see it's done for him -- the picture suddenly changes...

wasn't there a time when he was open about saying uncle toni did that ? or didn't like the way nole's famly or group screamed their support at the AO AND told them on court "shut up?" and then say ?

oooppsss...wasn't he supposed to be ''immaculate?" lol.

but i think what ALL of these things prove is -- they ARE human -- they are not perfect -- and for US -- it is also a matter of WHICH infractions of which players WE ''prefer" to be more ''forgivable" because of our liking or disliking a player..and that TOO tells a lot abotu US, in a way.

but they are still infractions of a kind, big or small - they are infractions.

Who was the one who said "shut up" to the crowd and also to Novak's parents? I have the vids....Nadal wasn't.......

 

[Tennis Fan]

really? i never knew that. sometimes this is when ''impressions'' can make a big difference ...one would think that becuse roger had been themost vocal in being against mid-match coaching -- if i remember correctly -- he just in principle didn't get coached himself..but then -- when you see it's done for him -- the picture suddenly changes...

wasn't there a time when he was open about saying uncle toni did that ? or didn't like the way nole's famly or group screamed their support at the AO AND told them on court "shut up?" and then say ?

oooppsss...wasn't he supposed to be ''immaculate?" lol.

but i think what ALL of these things prove is -- they ARE human -- they are not perfect -- and for US -- it is also a matter of WHICH infractions of which players WE ''prefer" to be more ''forgivable" because of our liking or disliking a player..and that TOO tells a lot abotu US, in a way.

but they are still infractions of a kind, big or small - they are infractions.

That's the point, Teddy. Not one of these players are perfect. So trying to put one person on a pedestal and acting like their stuff doesn't stink is wrong; while simultaneously trying to kick another player in the teeth. I've read tons of things on many players over the years, but I don't use it to kick sand in their faces and constantly belittle them, because I don't see the point in that.

I do remember him being rude to Novak's parents. It was uncalled for, but again, no one said anything.

For me that one or two second rule is total BS seeing as how it was never, ever enforced. Then they put a shot clock on the screen and got egg on their faces. The next time you watch a Nadal match, notice how many times they mention those precious seconds. While you're at it, count how many times they refer to his losses. Then, watch and see how much they discuss Roger, Andy, and Novak's losses. Is the name Brands, Canas, Delbonis, Stakhosky rolling off of their lips? No. I wonder why that is. I didn't even know that Kyrgios had beat Federer, but everyone in the tennis world knew that Nick beat Rafa. I watch mostly all of the tennis matches and when Rafa went out with injury a year or two ago, the concern with time suddenly went away. Shortly after he returned they started it up again, sometimes they were so eager to make a point they gave time violations on players who were waiting for the crowd to settle back down. All to try to prove a point and make it seem like they were being fair.

They do the same thing with Serena. For over a decade they were talking about Maria's big win over Serena, showing clips like it happened yesterday. It was only fitting that in the next ten years she would never win another match against Serena. Karma for their devious behinds.

I don't buy anything they do or say because I have zero respect for people who are mean-spirited and unfair. As you can see I'm a proud non-member of the "Status Quo." Wouldn't be in that group if my life depended on it.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Who was the one who said "shut up" to the crowd and also to Novak's parents? I have the vids....Nadal wasn't.......

oh -- that was ROGER. you remember? it was in the AO - dont recall if that was when nole beat him there -- but the parents and group of nole were of course cheering nole on -- but basically much smaller group and probably also serbs and slavs in australia

while of course the ''world" isfor roger...so when the parents were shouting their encouragement to nole --

that's when it got to roger and as he passed BY their box -- he turned his head to them and really did say "shut up!" ...and actually made a complaint of it to the umpire.

that was big news at that time. you remember?

 

[teddytennisfan]

Who was the one who said "shut up" to the crowd and also to Novak's parents? I have the vids....Nadal wasn't.......

relaly surprised carol - you missed that episode many years ago? oh it was a BIG to-do when that happened.

AND the western media PILED ONNOVAK for that -- basically painting him andhis parents as ''those eastern slavs who don't know how to behave" kind of thing...like some kind of ''oustiders"

androger of course was supposed to be RIGHT FOR ''showing them how to be cultivated and cultured". that kind of thing.

i rmember these things quite well because THOSE are some of the things i used to quarrel in other websites about and got banned for defending NOLE.

 

[Carol]

relaly surprised carol - you missed that episode many years ago? oh it was a BIG to-do when that happened.

AND the western media PILED ONNOVAK for that -- basically painting him andhis parents as ''those eastern slavs who don't know how to behave" kind of thing...like some kind of ''oustiders"

androger of course was supposed to be RIGHT FOR ''showing them how to be cultivated and cultured". that kind of thing.

i rmember these things quite well because THOSE are some of the things i used to quarrel in other websites about and got banned for defending NOLE.

Yep, I remember now lol, I found some videos about it and wow, Roger was really mad :hunting:

 

[teddytennisfan]

That's exactly what the problem is. I'm well aware of that. They also say people only pick the good apples off of the tree. They will never forgive Rafa for beating "the wrong one" since he was seventeen years old. It's sad, that you can hold onto to that for over a decade and you still can't get the venom out of your blood.

You don't see me dogging players out every day, because most of them aren't that relevant to me. The fact that Rafa stays on your mind and you're not a fan, says more about you than it does about him.

I pick Rafa over every male tennis player, or sportsman that I've ever seen in my life. I don't believe in heroes, but I do point out to my son how to remain humble regardless of any success you have in life, and Rafa is the best example that I've seen. Period.

REMEMBER how the FRENCH and other 'northern european" powers that be tried to smear RAFA'S name with those doping accusations BUT NEVER PRESENTING REAL EVIDENCE? meaning -- by repeating and repeating and repeating the accusations the accusations would BECOME the evidence and therefore \

|"RAFA MUST BE GUILTY?"

rafa is NOT DONE with them yet -- because we all know he has been dragging them to court to prove themselves. LOL!!!

which i MUST point out right now about RIO - being under the cntrol of WADA AND USA ''drug jdges" -- to isolate and exclude and vilify russia --

RUSSIA is not done with them -- with THEIR now exposed accusations of ''russian state doping" -- with NO EVIDENCE whatsoever -- and their ''witnesses" - incouding the bitter russian athletes who WERE kicked out by russia for dopingthemselves and hiding it from russian authorities -- as well ashthe CANADIAN doctor who initiated the accusations -- again -- i emphasize WITHOUT EVIDENCE ..(same tactic as against rafa and nole, you should all notice by now) --

russia is NOT DONE WITH THEM -- and is very , very likely already preparing IRON-CLAD civil and criminal suits against WADA officials, operative,s lawyers, doctors, blahl blahblah

that will hound them for the rest of their lives after this RIO business if over...

just watch -- and SHOW to the world that if THERE IS A CHEATING NATION CHAMPION in this world

it is NONE other than the one that is grabbing tons of golds right now-- the USA itself!

lol dont say i didn't mention this first...because I will COME BACK TO UPDATE ON THIS...and also as a test of all of you whether you are willing to confront by reading what REALLY is going on about ''corruption and cheating" and who REALLY are the countries and entities that ARE the real cheats..

the ones that ACCUSE russia or others about ''cheating" .

this is the same as roger complaining about nole's parents or ''coaching from the sidelines"

and THEN it turns out HIS coaching is done "under the breath" ...and theOFFICIALS PRETEND nothign happened...

 

[teddytennisfan]

Yep, I remember now lol, I found some videos about it and wow, Roger was really mad :hunting:

see? that's what i was recalling. it's true, isn't it? he really did address it to THEM - nole's family?

io mean -- why? even if they yelled and yelled that IS what people do especially when they have such a tiny group against all the 'world for roger" ...u know? why resent them for it?

in wimbledon for a decade he's the idol -- like the LORD OF THE MANOR coming into his lawn and everyone PRAYS and sings in unison the church hymn "roger thou art in heaven"...

and RAFA was treated more like a gatecrasher -- not so welcome for making the grass muddy with his ''clay sliding" --

rafa could have complained about THAT...BUT he didn't -- he just fought HARD and on the third try -- he WON.