Platelet-rich plasma therapy

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

There are other dodgy Spanish doctors out there too.

And good ones, too, just like there's good priests and nuns and decent bankers...

Haven't met many good bankers myself but yeah priests get a bad rep from all the dodgy ones but there are a lot of dodgy ones out there. Remember that episode of Father Ted?

"If theres 100m priests in the world, and 10% of them are paedophiles, thats still only 10m." -Ted

:lolz: :clap

As for good bankers, I may have been stretching things there alright... :huh:

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Using means which WADA say are legal...is fair.

Herein lies the problem. WADA as everyone knows don't do the tennis testing. The ITF do. And not properly by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Using means which WADA say are legal...is fair.

Herein lies the problem. WADA as everyone knows don't do the tennis testing. The ITF do. And not properly by any stretch of the imagination.

Again, to keep the topic from straying too far from the OP, none of this means Rafa is doping. It was a typically irresponsible and stupid post by the myopically partisan Mastoor.

What a pity Mastoor didn't use his energy better by sharing with us what he thought of the US Open - as Herios, Riotbeard, Denisovich, Nehmeth and other Djoker fans did - instead of skulking and sulking til Novak won again - and returning with a pack of misinformation and puerile bile...

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Well, he was years late with this breaking news for a start and there's definitely a cloud of suspicion over PRP as can be seen by google searches but it'll take a gun to the head of the doctor who administered the treatments before anyone gets a definitive yes or no to the doping accusations unless Fuentes or anyone else come clean in the future.

 

[Ricardo]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Using means which WADA say are legal...is fair.

exactly what you thought of OJ Simpson..... legal and fair.

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Using means which WADA say are legal...is fair.

exactly what you thought of OJ Simpson..... legal and fair.

What makes you think I thought that about OJ?

What a bizarre remark...

 

[tented]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Using means which WADA say are legal...is fair.

exactly what you thought of OJ Simpson..... legal and fair.

The ne plus ultra of non sequiturs.

 

[tented]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

It was a typically irresponsible and stupid post by the myopically partisan Mastoor.

AKA, the Doped One (I told ya so)

What a pity Mastoor didn't use his energy better by sharing with us what he thought of the US Open - as Herios, Riotbeard, Denisovich, Nehmeth and other Djoker fans did - instead of skulking and sulking til Novak won again - and returning with a pack of misinformation and puerile bile...

Agreed.

 

[Didi]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Is it possible to change the ridiculous title of the thread into "Platelet-rich plasma therapy"? It's a very interesting topic that has been going on for years due to many sportsmen, especially basketball players and ski jumping athletes making use of it. Even my father paid a huge sum to use a mini version of it to huge effects when his patellar tendon on the right knee just couldn't recover over years no matter what methods he tried, not even a long rest really helped. Now he's able to walk again in his early 70s. Britbox and Front also raised a few very good points about it. No need to have such a bitter, provoking and misleading title for it.

 

[tented]

Is it possible to change the ridiculous title of the thread into "Platelet-rich plasma therapy"? ... Britbox and Front also raised a few very good points about it. No need to have such a bitter, provoking and misleading title for it.

Excellent suggestion, Didi. I changed it.

It's a very interesting topic that has been going on for years due to many sportsmen, especially basketball players and ski jumping athletes making use of it. Even my father paid a huge sum to use a mini version of it to huge effects when his patellar tendon on the right knee just couldn't recover over years no matter what methods he tried, not even a long rest really helped. Now he's able to walk again in his early 70s.

How interesting to have someone who has been so closely involved with it, and can speak to its positive effects. Thanks for sharing your story.

 

[nehmeth]

Yes, that's the one that GSM's article references. Read more carefully. Apparently Verdasco was saying that he and Nadal used the same blood plasma therapies, which was once banned but is now allowed. I'll see you a knee therapy, and raise you a PED-egg, which is also not banned, but considered "not in the spirit of the sport."

You come back after two months and bring this, Mastoor? I would have thought this kind of trolling was beneath you.

Probably after reading all the ridiculously over the top and stupidly overzealous to the point of leaving reason run over and murdered posts by Nadal2008, poor Mastoor's inner troll was driven to this.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Come on, Mastoor. Poor taste and very misleading. Nadal is not doping. He engaged in a treatment that ENHANCED HIS HEALING RESPONSE but did not enhance his performance.

Why do you think that he doesn't? Can you give me a rational reason why do you think so? I understand that you want to believe he isn't.

Do you know that entire articles and entire discussion treads in other forums get deleted. I wonder why if he is clean.

Can you give me a rational reason why you don't think Djokovic dopes? He was a wimp who couldn't go two hours without retiring until magically going on a tear and almost never dropping a match. He physically outlasted a guy who supposedly dopes, on more than one occasion. How did that happen all of a sudden?

Here's my honest opinion about "doping" (beyond this thread, since it's quite silly and started by an individual who's, let's say, a special case):

It's completely arbitrary. All high caliber athletes, in all sports, are on something. It just happens that this "something" is arbitrarily banned, or arbitrarily legal. Yes, I realize there is generally a reason behind the ban or the legalization, but you're kidding yourself if you think they always make sense.

In any case, as long as what you're on does not conflict the rules, I don't see what's the problem. Personally, I say either ban everything or allow everything, and that doesn't just apply for tennis.

 

[Front242]

Ban everything imo. If they allowed everything it'd just belittle the achievements of prior generations in the sport to a laughable degree. Imo, it's getting that way already.

 

[DarthFed]

Unless it is proven to not have detrimental long term health effects it should be banned. A lot of these banned supplements probably haven't been proven to be harmful but that doesn't mean they've been proven safe either. And then we already know that anabolic steroids, EPO and blood transfusions can have harmful side effects. No athlete should have to choose between being at a competitive disadvantage or risking long-term health to play on an even field.

 

[Front242]

It's like when Ulrich confessed he had taken EPO because everyone else was so he couldn't be on even terms with them unless he did too. Lance Armstrong took the most flak but practically everyone else in the Tour De France was juiced too.

 

[Kieran]

Yes, that's the one that GSM's article references. Read more carefully. Apparently Verdasco was saying that he and Nadal used the same blood plasma therapies, which was once banned but is now allowed. I'll see you a knee therapy, and raise you a PED-egg, which is also not banned, but considered "not in the spirit of the sport."

You come back after two months and bring this, Mastoor? I would have thought this kind of trolling was beneath you.

Probably after reading all the ridiculously over the top and stupidly overzealous to the point of leaving reason run over and murdered posts by Nadal2008, poor Mastoor's inner troll was driven to this.

I don't think either of them need much excuse! They have their own thread somewhere else to keep them going (hopefully!)...

 

[brokenshoelace]

Yes, that's the one that GSM's article references. Read more carefully. Apparently Verdasco was saying that he and Nadal used the same blood plasma therapies, which was once banned but is now allowed. I'll see you a knee therapy, and raise you a PED-egg, which is also not banned, but considered "not in the spirit of the sport."

You come back after two months and bring this, Mastoor? I would have thought this kind of trolling was beneath you.

Probably after reading all the ridiculously over the top and stupidly overzealous to the point of leaving reason run over and murdered posts by Nadal2008, poor Mastoor's inner troll was driven to this.

This suggests that Mastoor's pre Nadal2005 postings were significantly better In Mastoor's own OP, he states that "he's been telling us" Nadal has been doping for a while, and thus, this nonsense is hardly new. He's been spraying it before Nadal2005 showed up. If we thought one was bad, let's wait and see their combined efforts!

 

[britbox]

It's like when Ulrich confessed he had taken EPO because everyone else was so he couldn't be on even terms with them unless he did too. Lance Armstrong took the most flak but practically everyone else in the Tour De France was juiced too.

That's true, but Ullrich played the game that was out there. Armstrong did a whole lot more. He used his position of power shamefully - ruining peoples lives with blackmail, smear campaigns and a whole lot more. He even went after the innocent non-dopers and ran them out of the sport. The guy was a fricken disgrace. Karma.

 

[bobvance]

I don't mean to add fuel to the fire here but there is something unnatural about this kind of procedure. Taking a part of your body and modifying it in a lab to ensure you recover faster just seems ethically wrong even though it isn't illegal. And in the case of Rafa, did the treatment help his knee heal faster, or did it promote a type of healing that wouldn't have occurred without the treatment? Also, while we're on this kind of topic, I'm not sure how I feel about Novak sleeping in an egg to increase stamina.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I don't mean to add fuel to the fire here but there is something unnatural about this kind of procedure. Taking a part of your body and modifying it in a lab to ensure you recover faster just seems ethically wrong even though it isn't illegal. And in the case of Rafa, did the treatment help his knee heal faster, or did it promote a type of healing that wouldn't have occurred without the treatment? Also, while we're on this kind of topic, I'm not sure how I feel about Novak sleeping in an egg to increase stamina.

Well it IS unnatural. As is a laser operation for poor eyesight. Of course the treatment promoted a type of healing that wouldn't have occurred without the treatment. That's the whole purpose of a treatment. This is what I mean when I say most of this is arbitrary. Doesn't medication promote a kind of healing that wouldn't occur with the treatment? Where do you draw the line?

Again, ethical or not, the real question is whether it's legal. As long as it is, there's no problem.