Platelet-rich plasma therapy

[isabelle]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

No accusations without any proof please, it's unfair and disloyal

 

[NADAL2005RG]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

The only person suffering in this thread is the OP. No need to delete it.

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

You took long enough to read up on PRP, Mastoor. This has been circulating for years at this stage.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1508357-platelet-rich-plasma-prp-is-ray-lewis-other-substance-speeding-recoveries

http://www.stemcellorthopedic.com/new-york-times-article.html

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2009/02/blood-doping-at-the-super-bowl.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platelet-rich_plasma

"Implications for doping

Some concern exists as to whether PRP treatments violate anti-doping rules, such as those maintained by the World Anti-Doping Agency.[1] It is not clear if local injections of PRP can have a systemic impact on circulating cytokine levels, in turn affecting doping tests; it is also not clear whether PRP treatments have systemic anabolic effects or affect performance.[1] In January 2011, the World Anti-Doping Agency removed intramuscular injections of PRP from its prohibitions after determining that there is a "lack of any current evidence concerning the use of these methods for purposes of performance enhancement".

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

its all gone a bit space age.. hyperbaric chambers aka.."The Magic Egg", blood spinning, injecting plasma or whatever, haemoglobin this, infusing at the molecular level that..:huh:

erm..wot happened to the tennis ?.

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Dodgy times alright. Preferred the days when people just took time off to heal instead of injecting sh1t into every orifice like a junkie.

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

I'm not sure what's dodgy, or who gets to say what's dodgy. Certainly, sportsmen using legal means to get fit and back on the pitch to play is not only fair, but to be recommended. Rafa's a professional tennis player - any legal means at his disposal to get fit quickly are his right - and that's what he's used.

Nothing dodgy about this story at all...

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

I'm not sure what's dodgy, or who gets to say what's dodgy. Certainly, sportsmen using legal means to get fit and back on the pitch to play is not only fair, but to be recommended. Rafa's a professional tennis player - any legal means at his disposal to get fit quickly are his right - and that's what he's used.

Nothing dodgy about this story at all...

The dodgy part is the ability to use PRP as a form of masking doping and other substances along with one's own blood can be injected and also it was illegal before and then subsequently made legal. Makes you wonder why it was illegal before.

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

I'm not sure what's dodgy, or who gets to say what's dodgy. Certainly, sportsmen using legal means to get fit and back on the pitch to play is not only fair, but to be recommended. Rafa's a professional tennis player - any legal means at his disposal to get fit quickly are his right - and that's what he's used.

Nothing dodgy about this story at all...

The dodgy part is the ability to use PRP as a form of masking doping and other substances along with one's own blood can be injected and also it was illegal before and then subsequently made legal. Makes you wonder why it was illegal before.

I understand all that but since it's now legal, I have no problem with any player taking advantage of it to hasten their return from injury...

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

I'm not sure what's dodgy, or who gets to say what's dodgy. Certainly, sportsmen using legal means to get fit and back on the pitch to play is not only fair, but to be recommended. Rafa's a professional tennis player - any legal means at his disposal to get fit quickly are his right - and that's what he's used.

Nothing dodgy about this story at all...

The dodgy part is the ability to use PRP as a form of masking doping and other substances along with one's own blood can be injected and also it was illegal before and then subsequently made legal. Makes you wonder why it was illegal before.

I understand all that but since it's now legal, I have no problem with any player taking advantage of it to hasten their return from injury...

The problem really is the ITF doing their own testing, not enough of it and at the wrong times. If testing was done properly and by WADA I'd be ok with it. As it stands though, even the newly introduced biological passport is a waste of time seeing as the ITF are still the ones behind the extremely poor testing regime. Too much scope for chemical enhancement to go on undetected with no penalty.

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

I'm not sure what's dodgy, or who gets to say what's dodgy. Certainly, sportsmen using legal means to get fit and back on the pitch to play is not only fair, but to be recommended. Rafa's a professional tennis player - any legal means at his disposal to get fit quickly are his right - and that's what he's used.

Nothing dodgy about this story at all...

The dodgy part is the ability to use PRP as a form of masking doping and other substances along with one's own blood can be injected and also it was illegal before and then subsequently made legal. Makes you wonder why it was illegal before.

I understand all that but since it's now legal, I have no problem with any player taking advantage of it to hasten their return from injury...

The problem really is the ITF doing their own testing, not enough of it and at the wrong times. If testing was done properly and by WADA I'd be ok with it. As it stands though, even the newly introduced biological passport is a waste of time seeing as the ITF are still the ones behind the extremely poor testing regime. Too much scope for chemical enhancement to go on undetected with no penalty.

Possibly true, but again, nothing there to support the OP, which is a typically rabid post against both Rafa and logic itself...

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Well he was a good few years late with the breaking news about PRP. Rafa's being using that for years!

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Well he was a good few years late with the breaking news about PRP. Rafa's being using that for years!

Only as long as it's been legal, I'm sure.

Mastoor pops up with peculiar fanboy nonsense when Novak wins. If Rafa beats Novak in Shanghai, he'll scarper and hide again. He's what we call a fair weather fan...

 

[El Dude]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Come on, Mastoor. Poor taste and very misleading. Nadal is not doping. He engaged in a treatment that ENHANCED HIS HEALING RESPONSE but did not enhance his performance.

Why do you think that he doesn't? Can you give me a rational reason why do you think so? I understand that you want to believe he isn't.

Do you know that entire articles and entire discussion treads in other forums get deleted. I wonder why if he is clean.

It has nothing to do with what I "want to believe." Its about accurately representing what Nadal is actually doing - and what we know he's doing versus conjecture and extrapolation.

I don't know that he's NOT doping - he could be; just as you don't know that he's doping. But that article isn't about illegal PEDs (which is what "doping" implies) - its about Nadal using cutting edge medical technology to improve recovery/healing time.

Since when it is it a bad thing to use the latest medical technology?

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

I guess to make everyone happy he should only be allowed to undergo these procedures when accompanied by a member of WADA, trained doping testing analysts and another arbitrary third party (another doctor familiar with this procedure and with no known trail of dubious activity such as HGH and not another Spanish doctor!). This goes for everyone who chooses to undergo PRP treatment and not just Nadal. The fact that the procedures have been done by a Spanish doctor though makes the whole thing a complete shambles given how the Fuentes case panned out with a huge cloud of suspicion cast over all Spanish athletes as a result.

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

It's unfair to cast all Spanish doctors in a bad light because of Fuentes. Nadal is following the rules and of course, there's nothing more he could do to satisfy some people. He doesn't have to make anyone else happy - he makes WADA happy by following their guidelines and playing by the book.

If WADA think it's iffy, they'll ask for it to be done a different way and I'm 1000% sure that would be fine by Rafa...

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

There are other dodgy Spanish doctors out there too.

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

There are other dodgy Spanish doctors out there too.

And good ones, too, just like there's good priests and nuns and decent bankers...

 

[Ricardo]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

I'm not sure what's dodgy, or who gets to say what's dodgy. Certainly, sportsmen using legal means to get fit and back on the pitch to play is not only fair, but to be recommended. Rafa's a professional tennis player - any legal means at his disposal to get fit quickly are his right - and that's what he's used.

Nothing dodgy about this story at all...

actually it's not really 'fair' as players may be able to use something (anything that's performance-enhancing) more advanced which WADA doesn't know about and it's deemed 'legal'; they maybe get the proper research in a couple years time and ban it when they find out its PE properties..... most players perhaps don't have the means to get it so it isn't really 'fair', and let alone the "spirit of sport" :nono

of course we don't know at this stage who's taking what (potential PEDs), so no accusation from me here. But your point about 'fairness'? It's like if someone is able to steal without getting caught (with some kind of advanced tech), then it's 'legal' and 'fair' and it's to be 'recommended'. it's still stealing in my book.

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Using means which WADA say are legal...is fair.

 

[Front242]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

There are other dodgy Spanish doctors out there too.

And good ones, too, just like there's good priests and nuns and decent bankers...

Haven't met many good bankers myself but yeah priests get a bad rep from all the dodgy ones but there are a lot of dodgy ones out there. Remember that episode of Father Ted?

"If theres 100m priests in the world, and 10% of them are paedophiles, thats still only 10m." -Ted