Platelet-rich plasma therapy

[El Dude]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Come on, Mastoor. Poor taste and very misleading. Nadal is not doping. He engaged in a treatment that ENHANCED HIS HEALING RESPONSE but did not enhance his performance.

 

[Moxie]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Illegal Doping is pretty much everything banned by WADA, so if they allow it then it's not doping. There isn't anything stopping a player taking shots of B12, Iron injections or other "supplements" that are not banned.

The main concern I'd have with PRP is that you would wonder if it could be used as a cover for athletes having blood transfusions on a much bigger scale.

The way they have generally caught the blood dopers is from Plasticisers in the blood - Plasticisers being traces from the IV bags the blood is stored in. If an athlete flunking a test says they are having PRP treatment then is this become a potential Get out of Jail card?

You lost me on the Plasticisers. Can you illuminate further for the uninitiated?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Illegal Doping is pretty much everything banned by WADA, so if they allow it then it's not doping. There isn't anything stopping a player taking shots of B12, Iron injections or other "supplements" that are not banned.

The main concern I'd have with PRP is that you would wonder if it could be used as a cover for athletes having blood transfusions on a much bigger scale.

The way they have generally caught the blood dopers is from Plasticisers in the blood - Plasticisers being traces from the IV bags the blood is stored in. If an athlete flunking a test says they are having PRP treatment then is this become a potential Get out of Jail card?

Well, actually apparently the Canadian doctor who did PRP on Tiger got arrested
as he also does HGH on the side. This raised suspicion that he might have given
HGH for the athletes he treated, including tiger.

PRP can certainly be used as a cover by shady doctors for various other things
including blood doping and HGH. I guess ultimately, as is true with anything dealing
with ethics, it will boil down to the integrity of the player and/or the doctor.

 

[britbox]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

You lost me on the Plasticisers. Can you illuminate further for the uninitiated?

The athletes blood is basically extracted and stored in IV Bags. When the athlete needs a boost they transfuse him with his own blood, boosting his/her red blood cell count.

In a sustained period of competition - the red blood cell count diminish and transfusing the stored blood can bring the red blood cell/haemocrit level back up.

They have caught athletes in more recent times by finding traces of Plasticisers in the blood. These Plasticisers come from the bags the blood has been stored in.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=4744216


This is old news from 2009. Does any one know whether this doc
was found guilty eventually.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Here is brief story of that Canadian doc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Galea

It appears that HGH is legal for you and me to consume and is banned
only for sportsmen. I could use some. Does anyone know, if my assertion
is true and if so, whether it can be bought over the counter or only using
a doc's prescription.

 

[Moxie]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

You lost me on the Plasticisers. Can you illuminate further for the uninitiated?

The athletes blood is basically extracted and stored in IV Bags. When the athlete needs a boost they transfuse him with his own blood, boosting his/her red blood cell count.

In a sustained period of competition - the red blood cell count diminish and transfusing the stored blood can bring the red blood cell/haemocrit level back up.

They have caught athletes in more recent times by finding traces of Plasticisers in the blood. These Plasticisers come from the bags the blood has been stored in.

OK, but is there any evidence that PRP therapy could interfere with a normal test for other, sanctioned blood doping therapies?

 

[Moxie]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Interesting also the anti-gravity treadmill that Rafa used. This link is in Spanish, but watch the video. It's in English.

 

[britbox]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

You lost me on the Plasticisers. Can you illuminate further for the uninitiated?

The athletes blood is basically extracted and stored in IV Bags. When the athlete needs a boost they transfuse him with his own blood, boosting his/her red blood cell count.

In a sustained period of competition - the red blood cell count diminish and transfusing the stored blood can bring the red blood cell/haemocrit level back up.

They have caught athletes in more recent times by finding traces of Plasticisers in the blood. These Plasticisers come from the bags the blood has been stored in.

OK, but is there any evidence that PRP therapy could interfere with a normal test for other, sanctioned blood doping therapies?

I don't know. I'm really posing the question more than anything. I'd guess it would likely depend on how the blood is stored.

 

[Moxie]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

You lost me on the Plasticisers. Can you illuminate further for the uninitiated?

The athletes blood is basically extracted and stored in IV Bags. When the athlete needs a boost they transfuse him with his own blood, boosting his/her red blood cell count.

In a sustained period of competition - the red blood cell count diminish and transfusing the stored blood can bring the red blood cell/haemocrit level back up.

They have caught athletes in more recent times by finding traces of Plasticisers in the blood. These Plasticisers come from the bags the blood has been stored in.

OK, but is there any evidence that PRP therapy could interfere with a normal test for other, sanctioned blood doping therapies?

I don't know. I'm really posing the question more than anything. I'd guess it would likely depend on how the blood is stored.

I realize these things are hard to know, but here we are on a thread that Mastoor created, completely spuriously, as it turns out, and once again mud is slung. It bears repeating that these therapies are within WADA guidelines. In particular, I would think this one should be deemed fair, since they didn't allow it until it had passed the test.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Every time Nadal wins, another Mastoor dies inside :lolz:

BTW, at least Nadal is tested. Even during his recovery last year he was tested frequently, including 4 times in December according to an interview. Meanwhile Djokovic said he went 7 months without being tested at all. I guess that explains his magical 2011

 

[Moxie]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Every time Nadal wins, another Mastoor dies inside :lolz:

BTW, at least Nadal is tested. Even during his recovery last year he was tested frequently, including 4 times in December according to an interview. Meanwhile Djokovic said he went 7 months without being tested at all. I guess that explains his magical 2011

How do you even know that? Cite sources, or you are just part of the problem on a ridiculous thread like this.

 

[ClayDeath]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Come on, Mastoor. Poor taste and very misleading. Nadal is not doping. He engaged in a treatment that ENHANCED HIS HEALING RESPONSE but did not enhance his performance.

nadal is still having to play with a lot of pain.

some people just have no idea. you can just see it on his face.

and of course you can see it in the movement.

the guy is flat out of gas if anything. he nearly lost to fognini and he got run right over by nole at the china open.

he won so much this year on his incredible skills and his guts. he put some goals in front of him and he stayed focused on those goals.

so he did what he had to and what he set out to do.

right now he has hit the wall. so anything else he picks up is just bonus for him.


that does not mean that I am happy with him.

 

[Mastoor]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Illegal Doping is pretty much everything banned by WADA, so if they allow it then it's not doping. There isn't anything stopping a player taking shots of B12, Iron injections or other "supplements" that are not banned.

The main concern I'd have with PRP is that you would wonder if it could be used as a cover for athletes having blood transfusions on a much bigger scale.

The way they have generally caught the blood dopers is from Plasticisers in the blood - Plasticisers being traces from the IV bags the blood is stored in. If an athlete flunking a test says they are having PRP treatment then is this become a potential Get out of Jail card?

Firstly, I would like to disagree that if something is legalised you should not call it doping. It is like saying that you can't be stoned in Netherlands where pot is legal. They won't arrest you for possession there, but it is still narcotic.

Secondly, it is interesting that this was illegal, before they legalised it for "lack of evidence". What is that supposed to mean, firstly they had evidence so put it on the list and later they decided they lacked it? BS! Also, it may be the same for legal reasons if you do this or take vitamin B pill

Thirdly, how is this different to that Spanish doctor who was imprisoned? He did something with spinning blood, didn't he? He mentioned that he had successful Spanish sportsmen from many sports but they didn't let him reveal any names which implies that highest profile Spanish sportsmen were involved. Well, Nadal and Verdasco fit that description. This last thing I am not implying that must be them, I am asking how prp is different to what that what happened in Spain, because I don't know.

 

[Mastoor]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Come on, Mastoor. Poor taste and very misleading. Nadal is not doping. He engaged in a treatment that ENHANCED HIS HEALING RESPONSE but did not enhance his performance.

nadal is still having to play with a lot of pain.

some people just have no idea. you can just see it on his face.

and of course you can see it in the movement.

the guy is flat out of gas if anything. he nearly lost to fognini and he got run right over by nole at the china open.

he won so much this year on his incredible skills and his guts. he put some goals in front of him and he stayed focused on those goals.

so he did what he had to and what he set out to do.

right now he has hit the wall. so anything else he picks up is just bonus for him.


that does not mean that I am happy with him.

Samson, what pain? Beijing final he played clean and what i saw on his face wasn't pain, but fear of Djoker and disappointment that he can't hurt him. I didn't see any pain on his face other than that.

And his last two wins, against Fognini and against Berdych, when you mentioned one of them please let me tell you, in a just world they would be investigated. You are losing 6-2 4-2 and then you win the match, isn't it too much even against a tool like Fog? And what was that against Berdych, why did he retire out of blue? Was it sprained eyelash? Who in this world gets to number 1 that way?

 

[Mastoor]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Come on, Mastoor. Poor taste and very misleading. Nadal is not doping. He engaged in a treatment that ENHANCED HIS HEALING RESPONSE but did not enhance his performance.

Why do you think that he doesn't? Can you give me a rational reason why do you think so? I understand that you want to believe he isn't.

Do you know that entire articles and entire discussion treads in other forums get deleted. I wonder why if he is clean.

 

[Moxie]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Come on, Mastoor. Poor taste and very misleading. Nadal is not doping. He engaged in a treatment that ENHANCED HIS HEALING RESPONSE but did not enhance his performance.

Why do you think that he doesn't? Can you give me a rational reason why do you think so? I understand that you want to believe he isn't.

Do you know that entire articles and entire discussion treads in other forums get deleted. I wonder why if he is clean.

You put up a misleading thread, based on misrepresentation of an article that you didn't read correctly, and then you follow it up with cynical insinuation. That kind of cheap mudslinging can be done to anyone. No one owes you a "rational reason" why it isn't true. You've proven it yourself. This is exactly how slander is created on the internet.

 

[Kieran]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Welcome back, Mastoor! Novak won and you return. Big surprise!

:Lolz:

 

[britbox]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Firstly, I would like to disagree that if something is legalised you should not call it doping. It is like saying that you can't be stoned in Netherlands where pot is legal. They won't arrest you for possession there, but it is still narcotic.

That's debateable. I'm not saying you can't be stoned - I'm saying you're not breaking rules. Let's be honest, ALL players will take an artificial boost in the form of supplements as long as they aren't breaking the rules. So the line in the sand of what you can take is what the governing body decides. The purpose of the oxygen egg Djokovic used was to boost red blood cells - but it was legal. So in my view that was fine.

Secondly, it is interesting that this was illegal, before they legalised it for "lack of evidence". What is that supposed to mean, firstly they had evidence so put it on the list and later they decided they lacked it? BS! Also, it may be the same for legal reasons if you do this or take vitamin B pill

I'm not sure why they switched stances on it.

Thirdly, how is this different to that Spanish doctor who was imprisoned? He did something with spinning blood, didn't he? He mentioned that he had successful Spanish sportsmen from many sports but they didn't let him reveal any names which implies that highest profile Spanish sportsmen were involved. Well, Nadal and Verdasco fit that description. This last thing I am not implying that must be them, I am asking how prp is different to what that what happened in Spain, because I don't know.

I guess the Spanish doctor you mean is Fuentes. He was doing full blood transfusions specifically for performance enhancement... and yes, he announced it was for a wide range of athletes including tennis players. He never actually went to prison, although he was given a jail term. (Spain has a strange law that anyone sentenced to jail time under 2 years, doesn't have to go if it's their first offence).

There are a lot of dubious things about that case and the judge's ruling not to let WADA have the names of non-cyclists, together with an instruction to destroy the evidence. It was a shameful day for spanish sport.

But, this is clearly different from the above - it's not full blood transfusions, it's small localised blood replacement to aid the healing process.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

RE: The Doped One (I told ya so)

Every time Nadal wins, another Mastoor dies inside :lolz:

BTW, at least Nadal is tested. Even during his recovery last year he was tested frequently, including 4 times in December according to an interview. Meanwhile Djokovic said he went 7 months without being tested at all. I guess that explains his magical 2011

How do you even know that? Cite sources, or you are just part of the problem on a ridiculous thread like this.

Its like I'm the only person who follows tennis around here....

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/9397854/tennis-lackluster-drug-testing-next

Novak Djokovic revealed in January that he hasn't been randomly blood tested in the prior six or seven months. "It was more regular … two, three years ago. I don't know the reason why they stopped it," he said.

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP---Rafael-Nadal-has-undergone-drug-testing-six-or-seven-times-ahead-of-his-return-articolo8198.html

The seven time French Open champion has been tested for doping four times in two weeks, according to sources close to the player. Overall, Nadal was tested “six or seven” times ahead of his return, ITF president Francesco Ricci Bitti told DPA.