Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[Ellentonboy]

Why do you think the Australians are causing the aggravation? They are just doing their jobs. They made it abundantly clear months ago what would be required to play in Aus. Second, they are not the ones appealing all the decisions.

I agree with you, maybe I wasn't clear. The Australians were doing their jobs, Novak should have made sure all the appropriate documentation was in-hand prior to getting on the plane. People saying he is unfairly being singled out are mistaken. He should be treated like any other visitor coming into a country. Personally, I am somewhat surprised they are allowing him to stay, then appeal on Monday I read? Monday seems a long time to wait in isolation, aren't officials concerned there is a chance for the spread of some infection should be be positive for covid? I don't wish the man any harm, but if he were the average traveler, he would have been deported and probably sent back by now.

 

[Ellentonboy]

Novak is not very happy in that hotel....ay ay ay if he would be vaccinated or at least getting the correct visa he wouldn't be going through all of that

I wonder if he was expecting the Four Seasons or something along those lines????

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

Honestly this is Djokovic’s doing. He knew the requirements prior to entering Australia. This isn’t a matter concerning the tournament, this is a matter concerning government regulations. Every conversation that needed to happen is with the government making sure everything is in order, and then the tournament.

I’m not entirely sure Djokovic isn’t getting what he wants from this which is probably the nightmare that is him and what other tournaments might feel with him attempting to enter their tournaments.

It was said that there will be repercussions for the tournament and country for denying the Number 1 player and the defending champion, and I don’t disagree there. While I blame Djokovic 100%, I think the PR machine is more inclined to work against Australia than Novak because at the end of the day, I think Novak has moved past caring about people’s perception of him. I think he finally realized he isn’t going to win that battle, so he can be that villain.

 

[tented]

I’m wondering what some of our other friends who live in Australia think of what’s going on, such @britbox @Ricardo @Vince Evert ?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Honestly this is Djokovic’s doing. He knew the requirements prior to entering Australia. This isn’t a matter concerning the tournament, this is a matter concerning government regulations. Every conversation that needed to happen is with the government making sure everything is in order, and then the tournament.

I’m not entirely sure Djokovic isn’t getting what he wants from this which is probably the nightmare that is him and what other tournaments might feel with him attempting to enter their tournaments.

It was said that there will be repercussions for the tournament and country for denying the Number 1 player and the defending champion, and I don’t disagree there. While I blame Djokovic 100%, I think the PR machine is more inclined to work against Australia than Novak because at the end of the day, I think Novak has moved past caring about people’s perception of him. I think he finally realized he isn’t going to win that battle, so he can be that villain.

It is a matter concerning Tennis Australia,Craig Tiley received documents from Novak's team with a exemption,which was passed onto Victoria Health department,who said there wasn't enough evidence why he should be allowed into Australia,this was late last year.Tennis Australia have a lot to answer for period.Novak should not have gotton on a flight in the first place.
Border Force officials stated he did not have enough evidence on his medical exemption why he should be allowed into Australia.Novak did have a working visa,which was incorrect to start with.

 

[tented]

While I blame Djokovic 100%, I think the PR machine is more inclined to work against Australia than Novak because at the end of the day, I think Novak has moved past caring about people’s perception of him. I think he finally realized he isn’t going to win that battle, so he can be that villain.

No, he hasn’t moved past caring about people’s perception of him, otherwise he wouldn’t have cried at the US Open final when he thought people in the crowd cared about him.

 

[the AntiPusher]

It is a matter concerning Tennis Australia,Craig Tiley received documents from Novak's team with a exemption,which was passed onto Victoria Health department,who said there wasn't enough evidence why he should be allowed into Australia,this was late last year.Tennis Australia have a lot to answer for period.Novak should not have gotton on a flight in the first place.

THIS.. PREACH!

 

[the AntiPusher]

No, he hasn’t moved past caring about people’s perception of him, otherwise he wouldn’t have cried at the US Open final when he thought people in the crowd cared about him.

Novak would have been a better person if Roddick would have allowed to just kick his ass over 10 years ago.

Andy Roddick tried to fight Novak Djokovic in U.S. Open locker room

Roddick shines new light on his classic 2008 beef with Djokovic.

ftw.usatoday.com

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Border Force Officials are now investigating 1 official and a couple of players who have also 'have medical exemptions' coming into the Australian Open.
Our Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews just reported on our national TV news.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

is it day 2or3 of the djokovic fugative siege?. if it's now friday jan 7th in aussie.

 

[10isfan]

Which players are not vaccinated?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Which players are not vaccinated?

Border Force is not disclosing that information until they finished their investigations,it will be up to our Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews to disclose those players and one official,if they have not met the criteria coming into Australia.

 

[Moxie]

Novak Djokovic will be deported if he hasn't told truth, deputy PM says

This is from the BBC. One thing it contradicts, which we believed yesterday, and the NYT's reported, as per @tented's post on the previous page, is that having had COVID in the past 6 months is NOT on the federal list of issues that allow for exemption:

"Earlier, Prime Minister Scott Morrison denied Djokovic was being singled out and said no-one was above the country's rules. Though Djokovic's reason for an exemption has not been disclosed, Mr Morrison said contracting Covid-19 in the past six months was not among federal criteria for one."

Maybe this is a source of some confusion. Perhaps the state of Victoria had it on their list, not realizing it conflicted with the federal list? That's pure speculation, and I'm trying to be generous. But I have trouble thinking what other criteria on that list (which I posted on the Covid thread) Novak could possibly meet.

By Monday, surely Novak's lawyers will have obtained the correct visa, and then it will be up to the judge to determine if his paperwork for medical exemption is acceptable.

 

[Moxie]

Border Force is not disclosing that information until they finished their investigations,it will be up to our Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews to disclose those players and one official,if they have not met the criteria coming into Australia.

Craig Tiley also had said the AO would not disclose unless players chose to disclose, themselves. But I'm going to bet that someone else is going to get sent home, if Novak does.

 

[Moxie]

It is a matter concerning Tennis Australia,Craig Tiley received documents from Novak's team with a exemption,which was passed onto Victoria Health department,who said there wasn't enough evidence why he should be allowed into Australia,this was late last year.Tennis Australia have a lot to answer for period.Novak should not have gotton on a flight in the first place.
Border Force officials stated he did not have enough evidence on his medical exemption why he should be allowed into Australia.Novak did have a working visa,which was incorrect to start with.

This is new intel to me, about Victoria Health stating weeks ago that Djokovic didn't meet the standards. Are you implying that Tiley and TA gave Novak a chance to come up with better answers?

But I definitely agree with your other post, saying that they never should have allowed medical exemptions in the first place. That never looked fair to the Australian population in any way.

 

[Moxie]

Honestly this is Djokovic’s doing. He knew the requirements prior to entering Australia. This isn’t a matter concerning the tournament, this is a matter concerning government regulations. Every conversation that needed to happen is with the government making sure everything is in order, and then the tournament.

I’m not entirely sure Djokovic isn’t getting what he wants from this which is probably the nightmare that is him and what other tournaments might feel with him attempting to enter their tournaments.

It was said that there will be repercussions for the tournament and country for denying the Number 1 player and the defending champion, and I don’t disagree there. While I blame Djokovic 100%, I think the PR machine is more inclined to work against Australia than Novak because at the end of the day, I think Novak has moved past caring about people’s perception of him. I think he finally realized he isn’t going to win that battle, so he can be that villain.

I disagree with most of this, respectfully. Like Tented, I think Novak very much cares what people think of him, and he rather blatantly courts the affection of the crowd. I also disagree that this is going to reflect poorly on Australia, though the tournament (esp. Tiley and Tennis Australia) will probably get a dent. Definitely I think that Covid restrictions are too tight, in general, and are against vaccine mandates, and, for them, there will be a great deal of sympathy. But there are a lot more people, in and out of Australia, who see this as a tennis player looking to get around the rules just because of his own beliefs, and some feeling that he ought to be able to, because he's #1, or etc. Who think that Australia is doing the right thing by insisting that the rules (agree with them or don't) apply to everyone.

It will remain to be seen how other tournaments will react to this kerfuffle. The first thing that is a wait-and-see is what the regulations will be per country when we get there, because that will supersede what any individual tournament decides to do. And then we'll see how far they are willing to go to accommodate Novak, if he remains unvaccinated.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I disagree with most of this, respectfully. Like Tented, I think Novak very much cares what people think of him, and he rather blatantly courts the affection of the crowd. I also disagree that this is going to reflect poorly on Australia, though the tournament (esp. Tiley and Tennis Australia) will probably get a dent. Definitely I think that Covid restrictions are too tight, in general, and are against vaccine mandates, and, for them, there will be a great deal of sympathy. But there are a lot more people, in and out of Australia, who see this as a tennis player looking to get around the rules just because of his own beliefs, and some feeling that he ought to be able to, because he's #1, or etc. Who think that Australia is doing the right thing by insisting that the rules (agree with them or don't) apply to everyone.

It will remain to be seen how other tournaments will react to this kerfuffle. The first thing that is a wait-and-see is what the regulations will be per country when we get there, because that will supersede what any individual tournament decides to do. And then we'll see how far they are willing to go to accommodate Novak, if he remains unvaccinated.

While I certainly don’t want Tennis Australia to take a hit, and I don’t think they did anything wrong, my point was I could easily see them taking a hit PR wise whether people think it warranted or not.

I think his caring about the public extends as far as his public perception in relation to Roger or Rafa. If Novak truly cared about public opinion, he would be vaccinated and have all his ducks in a row rather than continue down this road.

 

[tented]

Craig Tiley also had said the AO would not disclose unless players chose to disclose, themselves. But I'm going to bet that someone else is going to get sent home, if Novak does.

I was thinking the same thing earlier: at least one, if not more, players are going to be sent home so that it’s clear everyone with a medical exemption is treated the same.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Of interest here is that, according to the survey I've read in SMH, about 95% of Aussie who have opinion on Djokovic, universally blame Djokovic for his visa problems and condemn his contempt of our border protection laws. The remaining 5% who support Djokovic coincides with the number of anti-vaxxers in our society. Remarkable correlation.
I don't know the population of Serbian community here: their opinions are obviously biased and skew the results of the above survey. Without Serbian ethnical bias, the level of Djokovic's disapproval would be higher. but perhaps not as much.
One of the tweets makes a new mocking nickname: "Novax Novisa Joker". That one may stick as Djokovic's popularity in this country no doubt hits a new low, whatever the outcome of his detention. It sticks in my mind.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Novak Djokovic will be deported if he hasn't told truth, deputy PM says

This is from the BBC. One thing it contradicts, which we believed yesterday, and the NYT's reported, as per @tented's post on the previous page, is that having had COVID in the past 6 months is NOT on the federal list of issues that allow for exemption:

"Earlier, Prime Minister Scott Morrison denied Djokovic was being singled out and said no-one was above the country's rules. Though Djokovic's reason for an exemption has not been disclosed, Mr Morrison said contracting Covid-19 in the past six months was not among federal criteria for one."

Maybe this is a source of some confusion. Perhaps the state of Victoria had it on their list, not realizing it conflicted with the federal list? That's pure speculation, and I'm trying to be generous. But I have trouble thinking what other criteria on that list (which I posted on the Covid thread) Novak could possibly meet.

By Monday, surely Novak's lawyers will have obtained the correct visa, and then it will be up to the judge to determine if his paperwork for medical exemption is acceptable.

Though Djokovic's reason for an exemption has not been disclosed, Mr Morrison said contracting Covid-19 in the past six months was not among federal criteria for one."
Moxie.. can you explain this please..
Are they saying that he has tested positive 6 months ago plus he had Covid last year?