Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[the AntiPusher]

Did we win anything?

Well we were in the right state and location is about 15 miles from my home. That's is about as close as we got. Jajaja. I'm sorry Sir

 

[TheSicilian]

Well we were in the right state and location is about 15 miles from my home. That's is about as close as we got. Jajaja. I'm sorry Sir

Almost won then Thanks for trying, I will get you a ticket next time we have a high EuroMillions jackpot

 

[kskate2]

Thanks Kskate, I just read that on Novak's Instragram page, it was also on Twitter? honestly does he really think he will be allowed into the US? he has no intention of getting vaccinated, that is his choice, he has to understand that countries have their own strict COVID protocols in place. Maybe he should find a hobby while he cannot play tennis. I hear knitting is good for the soul
BTW just read that President Biden has rebounded and caught COVID again,after just coming back from isolation.

I am not really sure what he really believes. I thought he said he was OK w/ missing the USO. That he understood our policies and restrictions and wouldn't be coming to North America unless they dropped the vax requirement. I think he sends his fans mixed messages. He should pick a platform and stick to it. To me, he still hasn't really learned anything from Aus. Don't get me wrong, I get that he's an athlete and he wants to compete.

My issue w/ this whole drama:
1. This was his choice.
2. There's expectation from him that he should receive preferential treatment because of who he is. Granted he hasn't shown up at our border asking for entry, but he still acts like he should receive some kind of exemption or favor above anyone else.

P.S. As to Biden's reinfection. I think he was still infected from the first one or he's turned into a carrier. Just because you test negative, doesn't mean you are virus free. We all know the tests can be false positive or false negative.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I am not really sure what he really believes. I thought he said he was OK w/ missing the USO. That he understood our policies and restrictions and wouldn't be coming to North America unless they dropped the vax requirement. I think he sends his fans mixed messages. He should pick a platform and stick to it. To me, he still hasn't really learned anything from Aus. Don't get me wrong, I get that he's an athlete and he wants to compete.

My issue w/ this whole drama:
1. This was his choice.
2. There's expectation from him that he should receive preferential treatment because of who he is. Granted he hasn't shown up at our border asking for entry, but he still acts like he should receive some kind of exemption or favor above anyone else.

P.S. As to Biden's reinfection. He might not have gotten over the first one. Just because you test negative, doesn't mean you are virus free. We all know the tests can be false positive or false negative.

No player is bigger than the game of tennis period., though Novak keeps pushing his agenda all the time? regarding Covid vaccinations and the countries he thinks he can get into?
In regards to President Biden, he has no symptoms, agree tests can be false positive or false negative

 

[the AntiPusher]

No player is bigger than the game of tennis period., though Novak keeps pushing his agenda all the time? regarding Covid vaccinations and the countries he thinks he can get into?
In regards to President Biden, he has no symptoms, agree tests can be false positive or false negative

Good points by both of y'all @kskate2 @MargaretMcAleer ..my thoughts are the NEXT year will decide the numbers between Rafa and Novak. The #25 for Rafa means that he has to run the table ( USO, AO and RG) Otherwise it's Novak and maybe the crazy Russian Medvedev taking the rest. Thiem has a long way before he can get back to where he was pre wrist injury.

 

[TheSicilian]

I am not really sure what he really believes. I thought he said he was OK w/ missing the USO. That he understood our policies and restrictions and wouldn't be coming to North America unless they dropped the vax requirement. I think he sends his fans mixed messages. He should pick a platform and stick to it. To me, he still hasn't really learned anything from Aus. Don't get me wrong, I get that he's an athlete and he wants to compete.

My issue w/ this whole drama:
1. This was his choice.
2. There's expectation from him that he should receive preferential treatment because of who he is. Granted he hasn't shown up at our border asking for entry, but he still acts like he should receive some kind of exemption or favor above anyone else.

P.S. As to Biden's reinfection. I think he was still infected from the first one or he's turned into a carrier. Just because you test negative, doesn't mean you are virus free. We all know the tests can be false positive or false negative.

This is why people dislike him so much. He is told last week he can't play unless he gets vaccinated. A week later he publicly posts attention seeking drama on social media , he has an entitled attitude, I agree he clearly hasn't learnt anything from Australia. All this my body before trophies & a man of principle is hard to believe after these posts. He has inhaled to much of his magic potion over the years, it's all gone to his head

 

[roberto]

No player is bigger than the game of tennis period., though Novak keeps pushing his agenda all the time? regarding Covid vaccinations and the countries he thinks he can get into?
In regards to President Biden, he has no symptoms, agree tests can be false positive or false negative

Can you clarify what Novak's "agenda" is? I know that the Australian govt. was allegedly concerned that he would inspire anti-vexers if he were let into the country, but to be clear, Novak has stated on many occasions that he has no interest in being part of the "anti-vaxxer" movement--period----he just doesn't want it in his body--his choice--his consequences.

I am not really sure what he really believes. I thought he said he was OK w/ missing the USO. That he understood our policies and restrictions and wouldn't be coming to North America unless they dropped the vax requirement. I think he sends his fans mixed messages. He should pick a platform and stick to it. To me, he still hasn't really learned anything from Aus. Don't get me wrong, I get that he's an athlete and he wants to compete.

My issue w/ this whole drama:
1. This was his choice.
2. There's expectation from him that he should receive preferential treatment because of who he is. Granted he hasn't shown up at our border asking for entry, but he still acts like he should receive some kind of exemption or favor above anyone else.

P.S. As to Biden's reinfection. I think he was still infected from the first one or he's turned into a carrier. Just because you test negative, doesn't mean you are virus free. We all know the tests can be false positive or false negative.

Can you please support your assertion that Novak is expecting preferential treatment regarding entry into the US? He has never publicly stated that---"hoping to play" is not the same assertion. McEnroe and many others have pointed out the fallacy of the US policy--since with today's variants anyone can get the virus--it's more about a proper testing protocol at the tournaments. Especially when an unvaccinated American like Sandgren is going to be mixing with his fellow players.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Novak is not allowed into the USO, due to their COVID vaccination protocols, though on his Instagram and Twitter account he still thinks he has a chance to play.Novak does not intend to get vaccinated, that is his choice, he also has to understand and accept that there are some countries that wont allow him to play, because of their COVID protocols.End of Story

 

[TheSicilian]

Novak is not allowed into the USO, due to their COVID vaccination protocols, though on his Instagram and Twitter account he still thinks he has a chance to play.Novak does not intend to get vaccinated, that is his choice, he also has to understand and accept that there are some countries that wont allow him to play, because of their COVID protocols.End of Story

I still can't believe what he posted publicly. He did something similar before Australia which worked great for him

 

[Jelenafan]

I am not really sure what he really believes. I thought he said he was OK w/ missing the USO. That he understood our policies and restrictions and wouldn't be coming to North America unless they dropped the vax requirement. I think he sends his fans mixed messages. He should pick a platform and stick to it. To me, he still hasn't really learned anything from Aus. Don't get me wrong, I get that he's an athlete and he wants to compete.

My issue w/ this whole drama:
1. This was his choice.
2. There's expectation from him that he should receive preferential treatment because of who he is. Granted he hasn't shown up at our border asking for entry, but he still acts like he should receive some kind of exemption or favor above anyone else.

P.S. As to Biden's reinfection. I think he was still infected from the first one or he's turned into a carrier. Just because you test negative, doesn't mean you are virus free. We all know the tests can be false positive or false negative.

Tell me about it. On the flip side, A very good friend of mine had a positive PCR test and Rapid Test (Antigen) that was negative simultaneously at the same testing site. Subsequently he had consecutive negative results with the rapid test (Antigen) for the next 4/5 days.
He is asymptomatic, with no symptons at all. He only initially tested because he took a friend who had flown in.

They subsequently tested him with another PCR test that again was positive and they finally told him sometimes the PCR can be “too accurate” in detecting aCOVID strain that is still in the system for up to 3 months, long after the viral strain is no longer contagious or infectious.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Novak is not allowed into the USO, due to their COVID vaccination protocols, though on his Instagram and Twitter account he still thinks he

I still can't believe what he posted publicly. He did something similar before Australia which worked great for him

has a chance to play.Novak does not intend to get vaccinated, that is his choice, he also has to understand and accept that there are some countries that wont allow him to play, because of their COVID protocols.End of Story

Well that was what Kskate was alluding to Novak has not learnt anything from what happened in Australia

 

[Andy22]

Djokovic is right about freedom of choice.

 

[Fiero425]

Djokovic is right about freedom of choice.

Nole's obviously serious in his convictions to not do "the shot;" sacrificing 2 majors and a handful of Masters! It's amazing how he salvaged his season by winning Rome & his 7th Wimbledon! I'm so proud of him even though not a fave to watch!

 

[the AntiPusher]

Unless something has changed, the two shots required for vaccination time period window has closed for Novak's Visa entry to the USA and North America unless there's still a one shot vaccine vaccination shot that's on the market. I don't keep up anymore.

 

[Jelenafan]

Nole's obviously serious in his convictions to not do "the shot;" sacrificing 2 majors and a handful of Masters! It's amazing how he salvaged his season by winning Rome & his 7th Wimbledon! I'm so proud of him even thought not a fave to watch!

I have good friends who decided not to take the vaccines. They let me know and I could decide how much risk I wanted to take around them.
Myself, I have absolutely no problem with Novak deciding not to take any COVID vaccine as a personal matter, again his body, his choice. If it means so much to him to forego playing tournaments, so bet it. I've defended him enough times in this forums and think he's an incredible tennis warrior.

What I can't reconcile is that when he ostensibly had the Virus, it appears he didn't inform people around him; potentially exposing them to infection, even as far as not wearing a mask in their presence while testing positive. Like me, maybe some of these individuals could have loved ones older or with underlying conditions who were at risk of getting the virus resulting in hospitalization and even death. Novak doesn't strike me as someone quite frankly with having any higher morals or principles if he was so cavalier with the health of those around him.

 

[kskate2]

Can you please support your assertion that Novak is expecting preferential treatment regarding entry into the US? He has never publicly stated that---"hoping to play" is not the same assertion. McEnroe and many others have pointed out the fallacy of the US policy--since with today's variants anyone can get the virus--it's more about a proper testing protocol at the tournaments. Especially when an unvaccinated American like Sandgren is going to be mixing with his fellow players.

I don't have to support something that is blatantly obvious. He said in his Instagram post that he was grateful for the fans support in creating the petition. He also stated he's waiting to see if the U.S. government will make a ruling in time for him to compete, fingers crossed. That's more than he's just hoping to play. And my comment about him not learning anything from Aus goes back to his public proclamations on social media. I do agree it has more to do w/ testing, but our government just dropped the negative test requirement for people who are fully vaxxed. Again, not something that I agree w/ but it is a policy here now.

I don't give 2 farts about Mac and some others opinions. They don't make domestic or foreign policy. I take their opinion w/ a grain of salt and as someone w/ a high amount of influence and a mic in his possession, Mac should be more prudent about suggesting people circumvent the rules.

You and the other Djoke fans are right. His body, his choice. That same coin has another side, our country and their choice to institute the rules and laws they see fit. I live here and there are many things that I don't agree with, but I have to follow them if I want to continue living here. I cannot look for a way to circumvent them.

 

[kskate2]

Unless something has changed, the two shots required for vaccination time period window has closed for Novak's Visa entry to the USA and North America unless there's still a one shot vaccine vaccination shot that's on the market. I don't keep up anymore.

It's not about the 2 shots AP. So the time window closing means nothing. He's waiting to see one of two things:
Either the US drops the vaxx requirement for foreign visitors (which I don't see happening this summer, especially since they just dropped the negative testing requirement for fully vaxx) or the government shows him favor by granting him an exemption.

 

[kskate2]

Djokovic is right about freedom of choice.

He is. But what gets lost in most of these debates is the fact that freedom of choice works both ways. The countries in question have the freedom of choice to establish whatever rules and policies they want. As a foreigner, I have a right to choose whether I want to visit those countries and subject myself to said rules.

 

[roberto]

I don't think that's what getting lost---everyone gets that the US has a clear set of rules re: foreigners requiring vaccinations. What some are questioning is the rationale for that policy, given that with the current variants, folks can get it easily even if vaccinated and boosted. Therefore, if you were concerned about Covid transmission from visitors, you should reinstate a Covid test---not a meaningless "must be vexed" policy.....

 

[Moxie]

I don't think that's what getting lost---everyone gets that the US has a clear set of rules re: foreigners requiring vaccinations. What some are questioning is the rationale for that policy, given that with the current variants, folks can get it easily even if vaccinated and boosted. Therefore, if you were concerned about Covid transmission from visitors, you should reinstate a Covid test---not a meaningless "must be vexed" policy.....

Yes, but as K very rationally states: we can agree or disagree with these policies, but these are the policies. When it comes to what Novak will or won't be able to do, it's not an opinion question.