Nitto ATP Finals 2023, Turin, Italy

[don_fabio]

Novak ' in the zone' in his serving in the 1st set, losing only 2 points on serve, 6-3 1st set
Apparently I am only the only one watching this match lol!

I'm watching the scores. Seems like Novak is in cruisw control, running away on autopilot at the moment.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I'm watching the scores. Seems like Novak is in cruisw control, running away on autopilot at the moment.

Indeed, he just broke Jannik in the 2nd set, I felt if Jannik had a chance he would have to win the 1st set

 

[rafanoy1992]

Correct. No guarantee he would have won, but I can tell you w/ all sincerity (you and I both know this) the ATG and multi slam champs are cut throat. They have to be otherwise they likely don't become great.

P.S. My attitude is I may not win this title but you won't be around to win it either. If it's not me, then it'll be somebody else, but it definitely won't be you. LOL!!

Unfortunately, that only works when a person is been in the business for so long and has enough experience to understand all situations.

 

[Kieran]

Correct. No guarantee he would have won, but I can tell you w/ all sincerity (you and I both know this) the ATG and multi slam champs are cut throat. They have to be otherwise they likely don't become great.

P.S. My attitude is I may not win this title but you won't be around to win it either. If it's not me, then it'll be somebody else, but it definitely won't be you. LOL!!

Well that's true. He may have made a mistake but if he did, I think he made it for the right reasons. Commentators will discuss it for years...

 

[kskate2]

Unfortunately, that only works when a person is been in the business for so long and has enough experience to understand all situations.

yes maturity is part of it but it's also I think Jannik may suffer a bit from Casper scenario. He's too nice a guy. I really don't want to say that because too nice guys don't go very far in this sport and I'd like to see him gain some further traction against the old and new guard.

 

[Kieran]

My own personal view is that if Sinner had tanked, Carlos would have won the tournament. These kids are inexperienced but they're going to come of age...

 

[Kieran]

yes maturity is part of it but it's also I think Jannik may suffer a bit from Casper scenario. He's too nice a guy. I really don't want to say that because too nice guys don't go very far in this sport and I'd like to see gain some further traction against the old and new guard.

Do you think if Rafa had been in the same situation aged 20 he'd have tanked to ensure Roger was out?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Sinner is getting a tennis lesson at present

 

[rafanoy1992]

yes maturity is part of it but it's also I think Jannik may suffer a bit from Casper scenario. He's too nice a guy. I really don't want to say that because too nice guys don't go very far in this sport and I'd like to see gain some further traction against the old and new guard.

What’s considered too of a nice guy though?

Also, Casper Ruud has made 3 Slam finals and a ATP Final championship match, so that is considered a too nice of a guy?

 

[Kieran]

What’s considered too of a nice guy though?

Also, Casper Ruud has made 3 Slam finals and a ATP Final championship match, so that is considered a too nice of a guy?

He's certainly too nice to win them...

 

[rafanoy1992]

Do you think if Rafa had been in the same situation aged 20 he'd have tanked to ensure Roger was out?

To answer your question: No!

Somebody has to take out Nadal physically off the court to do that

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

At least Sinner managed to hold his serve and get on the board in the 2nd set, still down a break

 

[Kieran]

At least Sinner managed to hold his serve and get on the board in the 2nd set, still down a break

That hold of serve might be crucial...

 

[kskate2]

What’s considered too of a nice guy though?

Also, Casper Ruud has made 3 Slam finals and a ATP Final championship match, so that is considered a too nice of a guy?

Don't confuse mentality w/ talent and ability. Casper did well to make those finals but never really had a chance to win any of them.

 

[nehmeth]

Novak ' in the zone' in his serving in the 1st set, losing only 2 points on serve, 6-3 1st set
Apparently I am only the only one watching this match lol!

I’m watching. Just remaining quiet.

 

[don_fabio]

That hold of serve might be crucial...

Not while Djoker is Karlovicing him like this.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

That hold of serve might be crucial...

Yes he avoids a bagel

 

[rafanoy1992]

I just want to say this really quick: I am not a fan of Casper Ruud, but I respect him because he has the same Slam finals appearances as Tsitsipas and Zverev combined! And Tsitsipas and Zverev have more "talent" than Ruud in terms of shot making and rally tolerance.

 

[kskate2]

Do you think if Rafa had been in the same situation aged 20 he'd have tanked to ensure Roger was out?

That's really an unfair question because we already know what type of player he is. But cmon you know Nads better than me and already have the answer to this question: he would have been out there w/ his sleeveless shirt, pirate pants and sweaty headband running around playing a ton of defense for 3 hours in a meaningless match.

 

[nehmeth]

I just want to say this really quick: I am not a fan of Casper Ruud, but I respect him because he has the same Slam finals appearances as Tsitsipas and Zverev combined! And Tsitsipas and Zverev have more "talent" than Ruud in terms of shot making and rally tolerance.

They definitely have more athleticism than Ruud. Talent too. But work ethic? If we compared, I imagine Caspar puts them to shame. I could be wrong.