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[Federberg]

oh! And the Mavericks getting the number 1 pick is one of the dodgiest things I've ever seen. Even if it's not dodgy it's an awful awful look for the NBA

 

[DarthFed]

oh! And the Mavericks getting the number 1 pick is one of the dodgiest things I've ever seen. Even if it's not dodgy it's an awful awful look for the NBA

Yeah it’s insane. For the decent % of people who think the NBA is rigged this provides a lot of fuel. Make awful trade to send Luka to a big market and the most popular franchise in the league, and now they shockingly land the #1 pick for what most expect will be a future superstar. Can’t make that crap up.

 

[DarthFed]

my mind is blown by the MJ thing too. I'm fairly confident that he'll stay away from the GOAT nonsense. I'm so tired of Lebron and his minions pushing that narrative. It's so obviously nonsense. Frankly I can't see how anyone can claim Lebron is a better player than MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Magic and Steph. Probably Duncan too. Anyway I. don't want to get into a Fedal level debate about that!

You know.. it's starting to look like we could end up with OKC vs Pacers for a final. What a ratings disaster that will be, even if I actually think it'll be a great fight (it just doesn't strike me that most consumers will see it as sexy enough). I feel so so sorry Tatum, that's just awful luck. I'm obviously even more upset about Steph's injury. I honestly think the Warriors would have taken down the Timberwolves relatively comfortably if he'd been fit. Ah well! As for Giannis... I would love the Warriors to offer Podziemski, Kuminga, Butler and picks to get Giannis. But it's hard to see that competing with what teams like Houston, the Spurs and possibly the Nets could offer. I'll just have to hope the Freak is keen to play with 30

At this point it’s mostly the media bringing up the GOAT stuff just for click bait. Bringing up LeBron in any article/post is going to get a ton of clicks and comments since he is probably the most hated athlete in history. In a weird way I see guys like Kobe, LeBron, and Chef just exemplifying how great Jordan was because none of them truly came close. I have Bron well ahead of Kobe and Curry but the idea of him having a legit GOAT claim is long gone.

We definitely aren’t going to agree on LeBron’s place haha but we already knew that. I think you have to move a bunch of goalposts to have him lower than 4, that or it just becomes about only counting rings in a team sport. I got MJ by a lot, then KAJ, and then LeBron and Magic are like a tie in my mind for #3 and #4. I feel pretty good with that as the NBA Mount Rushmore.

One stat I like is VORP; value over replacement player. It is a cumulative stat, so LeBron has the highest by a lot, but when you take total VORP and divide it by seasons played, Jordan is easily #1 and then Jokic is slightly over LeBron currently. The stat started after Kareem’s first 4 or 5 seasons which were extremely dominant so his total is definitely off. Basically I wasn’t really surprised by many of the results.

Unfortunately Tatum actually ruptured his achilles, not just a partial tear. That’s really rough. Also Dallas says they have no interest in trading away #1 which more or less confirms they won’t pursue Giannis if he becomes available. I know Giannis would enjoy playing with Curry but the chef is already 37.. I’d have to imagine he’d be happy going to Houston, SA or OKC too given the young talent on those teams. Up to the Bucks to take the best offer. Wouldn’t surprise me for dumbass Horst to trade him for a cheeseburger at this point.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

my mind is blown by the MJ thing too. I'm fairly confident that he'll stay away from the GOAT nonsense. I'm so tired of Lebron and his minions pushing that narrative. It's so obviously nonsense. Frankly I can't see how anyone can claim Lebron is a better player than MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Magic and Steph. Probably Duncan too. Anyway I. don't want to get into a Fedal level debate about that!

Steph does not belong in that conversation. They play in the same era, and he doesn't even come close to LeBron in many statistics. LeBron has way more all-star selections, all-NBA selections, and even all-defense teams. Steph has not even made an all defense team.

There are very few things that Steph has over LeBron (and even those are by slim margins), whereas when LeBron has the edge, he really has it: https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/stephen_curry_vs_lebron_james.htm

 

[Federberg]

In a weird way I see guys like Kobe, LeBron, and Chef just exemplifying how great Jordan was because none of them truly came close.

agreed!

I have Bron well ahead of Kobe and Curry but the idea of him having a legit GOAT claim is long gone.

I can't see how Lebron has surpassed Kobe. In his career, Lebron has had far more help to get the rings he has. Don't get me wrong I think he's exceptional and without a doubt one of the top 10 guys of all time, but the media narrative around him is so insane he's even been given undeserved accolades like Rookie of the Year. That should have been Carmelo's. In the Paris Olympics Steph should have had the MVP, there was no way they were winning gold without his performances in the semis and final. Going back to Kobe, nothing Lebron has done compares to the two post-Shaq rings. Frankly I don't think Lebron has done anything that matches Steph's 2022. Think about it, Lebron is a Ray Allen shot from only 3 rings. He's a Kyrie missed 3 away from 2 rings. Don't get me started about the worth of the bubble when half the teams didn't even want to be there. And the one that pisses me off the most. - as a Warriors fan - is 2016. Have you ever heard of a player being suspended for a game in the final, not by an on court decision but from media pressure after a game?? I'm sorry but that one pisses me off no end, and remains highly suspicious to me.

I take your point about Lebron's stats vs Steph. But then I look at Wilt's stats vs pretty much anyone of the rest of the top 10. Being that guy that can get the win, no matter what, means something to me. Steph has done that, Kobe and MJ have. Isn't it remarkable that the most memorable Lebron performances tend to be in glorious defeat? I think Lebron is aware of this and has prioritised stats over the years. Something that I don't think guys like Kobe or Steph have done. In fact I seem to recall Kobe talking about that before. Bottom line.. there's been a Magic-Bird era, a MJ era, a Kobe era... there has been no Lebron era. You can't have an era if you haven't won the most, where you've at the very least been matched all the way.

Btw.. Steph not getting FMVP in 2015 is one of the most egregious snobs in finals history

 

[DarthFed]

At this point it’s mostly the media bringing up the GOAT stuff just for click bait. Bringing up LeBron in any article/post is going to get a ton of clicks and comments since he is probably the most hated athlete in history. In a weird way I see guys like Kobe, LeBron, and Chef just exemplifying how great Jordan was because none of them truly came close. I have Bron well ahead of Kobe and Curry but the idea of him having a legit GOAT claim is long gone.

We definitely aren’t going to agree on LeBron’s place haha but we already knew that. I think you have to move a bunch of goalposts to have him lower than 4, that or it just becomes about only counting rings in a team sport. I got MJ by a lot, then KAJ, and then LeBron and Magic are like a tie in my mind for #3 and #4. I feel pretty good with that as the NBA Mount Rushmore.

One stat I like is VORP; value over replacement player. It is a cumulative stat, so LeBron has the highest by a lot, but when you take total VORP and divide it by seasons played, Jordan is easily #1 and then Jokic is slightly over LeBron currently. The stat started after Kareem’s first 4 or 5 seasons which were extremely dominant so his total is definitely off. Basically I wasn’t really surprised by many of the results.

Unfortunately Tatum actually ruptured his achilles, not just a partitear. That’s really rough. Also Dallas says they have no interest in trading away #1 which more or less confirms they won’t pursue Giannis if he becomes available. I know Giannis would enjoy playing with Curry but the chef is already 37.. I’d have to imagine he’d be happy going to Houston, SA or OKC too given the young talent on those teams. Up to the Bucks to take the best offer. Wouldn’t surprise me for dumbass Horst to trade him for a cheeseburger at this point.

agreed!


I can't see how Lebron has surpassed Kobe. In his career, Lebron has had far more help to get the rings he has. Don't get me wrong I think he's exceptional and without a doubt one of the top 10 guys of all time, but the media narrative around him is so insane he's even been given undeserved accolades like Rookie of the Year. That should have been Carmelo's. In the Paris Olympics Steph should have had the MVP, there was no way they were winning gold without his performances in the semis and final. Going back to Kobe, nothing Lebron has done compares to the two post-Shaq rings. Frankly I don't think Lebron has done anything that matches Steph's 2022. Think about it, Lebron is a Ray Allen shot from only 3 rings. He's a Kyrie missed 3 away from 2 rings. Don't get me started about the worth of the bubble when half the teams didn't even want to be there. And the one that pisses me off the most. - as a Warriors fan - is 2016. Have you ever heard of a player being suspended for a game in the final, not by an on court decision but from media pressure after a game?? I'm sorry but that one pisses me off no end, and remains highly suspicious to me.

I take your point about Lebron's stats vs Steph. But then I look at Wilt's stats vs pretty much anyone of the rest of the top 10. Being that guy that can get the win, no matter what, means something to me. Steph has done that, Kobe and MJ have. Isn't it remarkable that the most memorable Lebron performances tend to be in glorious defeat? I think Lebron is aware of this and has prioritised stats over the years. Something that I don't think guys like Kobe or Steph have done. In fact I seem to recall Kobe talking about that before. Bottom line.. there's been a Magic-Bird era, a MJ era, a Kobe era... there has been no Lebron era. You can't have an era if you haven't won the most, where you've at the very least been matched all the way.

Btw.. Steph not getting FMVP in 2015 is one of the most egregious snobs in finals history

I agree with you about Olympics MVP. LeBron was consistent throughout but you have to prioritize the medal rounds and Curry should have won that. Not sure about rookie of the year. Stats were fairly close, Carmelo better scorer at that point but LeBron of course better all around. Either way, neither of those awards are moving the needle at all for his career, let’s be honest.

Kobe vs LeBron to me is a great example of why you can’t just count rings. I’d say Kobe had far more help given his first 8 years was with prime Shaq and overall he had Phil as his coach for about 10 seasons. Whereas LeBron was drafted to the worst team in the league, one that did little to nothing to improve during his first 7 years in the league. The idea that he has had a ton of help is overblown. Calling the 2nd version of the Cavs a “superteam” is a loose definition and clearly the Lakers have not been a superteam since he joined. Even if the Cavs were a superteam they were still way way worse than the Warriors talent wise those 4 years. So to answer your question I’d say the 2016 title is up there with any of them. I’d also say LeBron was the best player on the floor for at least 6 of the 10 Finals he played in. If you want to say LeBron was dragged to that ring in 2016 when he led both teams in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, you may want to check Kobe’s game 7 stats in 2010 Finals.

The “era” talk is also picking up a lot of steam. How was there a Kobe era in 2000’s when Shaq was the best player on those first few titles and Duncan also has a few rings? How is the 80’s the Magic Johnson era when Kareem was the best player on those first couple titles and Bird won a few? Really aside from Bill Russell and MJ there is no clear “era” if we are going off titles and adding context of who the best players were, and in a team sport that’s really the expectation. Now if we look at more than just the titles I’d say LeBron was clearly the best player in the world for close to a decade and has been a top 10 player every single year after his rookie season which is pretty absurd given it’s year 22.

I will put it like this, if you tell me one guy has 5 rings with 1 MVP and 2 finals MVP and one guy has 4 rings with 4 MVP’s and 4 Finals MVP’s, I’m assuming the latter is the greater player. Finals MVP is probably the most important accolade there is. And then when you dig into everything else about those guys I just see the gap widening. And we can do the same thing with Duncan and Curry and still the same result IMO.

 

[Federberg]

lol! We could probably go round and round on this one, and neither of us is likely to concede. Couple of things though.. that Cavs team was a super team. Problem is as usual anyone who joins Lebron seems to have to sacrifice their production to accommodate him. Kevin Love being the exemplar of this. And without question the Heat was a superteam.

Regarding Kobe, I was very specific in focussing on his rings without Shaq. Look at the teams he had to overcome in the West. Meanwhile most of the time, the East was weak. I wish I could find a stat showing how many guys in the East made All NBA teams in that era. It'll shock you, there were very few, and even less if you discount the ones on Lebron's teams, so his getting to finals wasn't what some make it to be.

2016 is a huge problem for me. The Draymond suspension was dodgy AF. That's what it took for Lebron to get that ring, and even then it needed a worldie from Kyrie to close it out. And talking about FMVP's will you at least concede that Steph was robbed in 2015? His numbers in that series beat most recipients in history, please don't tell me that wasn't a media/ perhaps Nike thing, because I wouldn't believe it.

I don't know any other superstar who's defence of his legacy is more dependent on his stats than Lebron. A certified stat padder. But when you look at the moments... take the bubble for example. I thought AD was the best player in that final. Lebron has a way of doing just enough to get the nod in wins. Funnily though some of his performances in losses have been spectacular. I think his 51 points in game one of the 2018 final is right up there with Giannis awesome 51 point game in 2021, or Steph's 43 point one in 2022. If I see greatness I'll acknowledge it. But I'll also add that one of my biggest issues with Lebron is the eye test. It's a brutally physical game with very little finesse. It doesn't scream "best" to me. And probably never will. But here's the thing, even this season the media has been trying to push the narrative that Lebron was one of the 10 best players with a hugely negative plus/minus. It's crazy to me. I watched games this season where Lebron stayed out, when all hope of victory was gone, just so he could get his points and rebounds up. Stat padding. I recall prime Steph getting crazy numbers and Kerr refusing to play him in 4th quarters. That's "best" to me.

 

[DarthFed]

lol! We could probably go round and round on this one, and neither of us is likely to concede. Couple of things though.. that Cavs team was a super team. Problem is as usual anyone who joins Lebron seems to have to sacrifice their production to accommodate him. Kevin Love being the exemplar of this. And without question the Heat was a superteam.

Regarding Kobe, I was very specific in focussing on his rings without Shaq. Look at the teams he had to overcome in the West. Meanwhile most of the time, the East was weak. I wish I could find a stat showing how many guys in the East made All NBA teams in that era. It'll shock you, there were very few, and even less if you discount the ones on Lebron's teams, so his getting to finals wasn't what some make it to be.

2016 is a huge problem for me. The Draymond suspension was dodgy AF. That's what it took for Lebron to get that ring, and even then it needed a worldie from Kyrie to close it out. And talking about FMVP's will you at least concede that Steph was robbed in 2015? His numbers in that series beat most recipients in history, please don't tell me that wasn't a media/ perhaps Nike thing, because I wouldn't believe it.

I don't know any other superstar who's defence of his legacy is more dependent on his stats than Lebron. A certified stat padder. But when you look at the moments... take the bubble for example. I thought AD was the best player in that final. Lebron has a way of doing just enough to get the nod in wins. Funnily though some of his performances in losses have been spectacular. I think his 51 points in game one of the 2018 final is right up there with Giannis awesome 51 point game in 2021, or Steph's 43 point one in 2022. If I see greatness I'll acknowledge it. But I'll also add that one of my biggest issues with Lebron is the eye test. It's a brutally physical game with very little finesse. It doesn't scream "best" to me. And probably never will. But here's the thing, even this season the media has been trying to push the narrative that Lebron was one of the 10 best players with a hugely negative plus/minus. It's crazy to me. I watched games this season where Lebron stayed out, when all hope of victory was gone, just so he could get his points and rebounds up. Stat padding. I recall prime Steph getting crazy numbers and Kerr refusing to play him in 4th quarters. That's "best" to me.

Man, it’s all good. I do think you’ve probably spent a bit too much time on forums, Facebook etc if we are reducing LeBron to be just a stat padder. Because some of this is the same pure hatred stuff you’ll see on any post or article about LeBron. Are you sure LeBron has ever dictated to a coach that he wants to stay out late in the 4th qtr of a blowout so he can add stats? Or that a game is ever truly out of reach in the current NBA. I don’t think a game at this points is out of reach unless it’s 15+ point lead with less than 2 minutes left. And we should define SuperTeam. I think automatically people think any team he’s on is a SuperTeam. I’ve seen some clowns say the 2007 and 2018 teams he dragged to the Finals were great and actually try to argue it. I will just say that Love was definitely no superstar, if you want to talk stat padders he was doing that on one of the worst teams in the league. Kyrie and the Cavs were horrific before LeBron came back too. Take LeBron off those Cavs teams those 4 years and im
not sure they make the playoffs, even in the East. And clearly the Warriors were the far superior team all 4 years and that’s not because anyone in Vegas thought Steph was a better player than LeBron.

You are totally remembering the 2016 suspension differently than me. Draymond was suspended due to the accumulation of technicals and flagrant fouls in those playoffs. He had hit 2 or 3 players in the nuts before doing that to LeBron. Obviously LeBron baited him and did the ultimate American playground disrespect of stepping over him, but Draymond took the bait. Also, he was only suspended game 5, he was back for game 6 and 7. So you have to automatically award them game 5 in your mind if Draymond plays. LeBron led both teams in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks that series and came up with probably the most memorable defensive play in Finals history late in that game too. Arguing that Kyrie saved him just kind of shows he can’t win with haters.

As for 2015 I thought Steph should have got it despite underperforming a lot of that series. But even then LeBron was by far the best player in that series and there was talk he could even get it in a losing effort like Jerry West did. Also, there would not have been any agenda to deny Steph. That was their first ring and Steph’s first regular season MVP. I don’t know if you are saying he was already considered a threat to LeBron’s legacy somehow, but clearly that was not the case.

The West wasn’t that stacked during Kobe’s last couple rings, they beat Spurs in 2008 which was definitely impressive but then lost handily to the Celtics in those Finals. But the other two years…I don’t remember teams like Jazz, Suns and Rockets being anything special those years. And those Laker teams are definitely not as bad as you are remembering them with Gasol, Odom, Bynum, and Artest in 2010 who ahem…made a big shot in game 7 when Kobe was putrid all game.

Im glad you mentioned LeBron’s game not having much finesse as a reason for him not being the best…and that's a big part of the reason people don’t like him. How much finesse is someone his size going to have moving on the court? Kobe modeled his game fairly successfully off MJ so obviously he has the aesthetics. Steph is from Mars when it comes to shooting and most fans think that’s amazing to watch. LeBron in his prime was like a cyborg, even when he was a freak athlete in his youth his game wasn’t as easy on the eyes as MJ or Kobe, and people seem to equate that with him being inferior to some guys he clearly isn’t.

I don’t think LeBron’s legacy needs any defending by stats. Look at his accolades compared to Kobe and Curry. Things like MVP’s, first team all NBA and total All NBA. And the guy holds pretty much every playoff record and it’d be hard to argue he’s not a top
3-4 playoff performer in history. So to make an argument for those guys you have to “attack” what LeBron has accomplished and act like he is a stat padder and was not by far the best player on the teams he won rings with. Even in 2020 LeBron was clearly the best player on that team, he was 2nd in MVP voting and if Covid didn’t shorten the season he may have ended up catching Giannis for it. And in the playoffs I do agree it was close between him and AD as they both were phenomenal, but I don’t think it was wrong for him to get Finals MVP.

 

[Federberg]

Man, it’s all good. I do think you’ve probably spent a bit too much time on forums, Facebook etc if we are reducing LeBron to be just a stat padder. Because some of this is the same pure hatred stuff you’ll see on any post or article about LeBron. Are you sure LeBron has ever dictated to a coach that he wants to stay out late in the 4th qtr of a blowout so he can add stats?

I don't use Facebook I absolutely 1000% believe that Lebron has the power to get rid of coaches. I believe he's done it many times, most recently Darvin Ham. I can definitely speak to what I've seen. I've watched games this year (I use League Pass) where AD and Reeves left the game and the Lakers were clearly not pushing to get back in. And Lebron came back on, and added to his numbers. That's definitely happened mate.

To be clear, concerning Steph vs Bron. I think Steph is greater than LeBron. In terms of impact and winning. I'm willing to concede that Lebron at least peak Lebron as an individual was a better player, if only because he was a two way player. Much like I would probably say that Russell was greater than Wilt, if not better. So perhaps clarifying the distinction is a worthwhile exercise.

Im glad you mentioned LeBron’s game not having much finesse as a reason for him not being the best…and that's a big part of the reason people don’t like him. How much finesse is someone his size going to have moving on the court?

Dream was bigger than Lebron and had a bag. I'm not sure that's a good enough defence of his skillset

I don’t think LeBron’s legacy needs any defending by stats. Look at his accolades compared to Kobe and Curry. Things like MVP’s, first team all NBA and total All NBA. And the guy holds pretty much every playoff record and it’d be hard to argue he’s not a top
3-4 playoff performer in history. So to make an argument for those guys you have to “attack” what LeBron has accomplished and act like he is a stat padder and was not by far the best player on the teams he won rings with. Even in 2020 LeBron was clearly the best player on that team, he was 2nd in MVP voting and if Covid didn’t shorten the season he may have ended up catching Giannis for it. And in the playoffs I do agree it was close between him and AD as they both were phenomenal, but I don’t think it was wrong for him to get Finals MVP.

if you look at totals then yes but the guy has been playing for hundred years! I think the best way to assess is to look at per game stats. No one is seriously going to claim that Lebron is a better scorer than MJ, or a better assist maker than Magic, but his totals far exceed theirs. It's unfortunate because I actually think Lebron is a top 10 player of all time. My issue is that there's simply no way he's the GOAT. So perhaps I'm more trenchant in putting forth arguments to debunk his case. But honestly.. I've seen far too many pundits glazing him it just makes me want to puke. People like Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright do my head in!

 

[DarthFed]

I don't use Facebook I absolutely 1000% believe that Lebron has the power to get rid of coaches. I believe he's done it many times, most recently Darvin Ham. I can definitely speak to what I've seen. I've watched games this year (I use League Pass) where AD and Reeves left the game and the Lakers were clearly not pushing to get back in. And Lebron came back on, and added to his numbers. That's definitely happened mate.

To be clear, concerning Steph vs Bron. I think Steph is greater than LeBron. In terms of impact and winning. I'm willing to concede that Lebron at least peak Lebron as an individual was a better player, if only because he was a two way player. Much like I would probably say that Russell was greater than Wilt, if not better. So perhaps clarifying the distinction is a worthwhile exercise.


Dream was bigger than Lebron and had a bag. I'm not sure that's a good enough defence of his skillset


if you look at totals then yes but the guy has been playing for hundred years! I think the best way to assess is to look at per game stats. No one is seriously going to claim that Lebron is a better scorer than MJ, or a better assist maker than Magic, but his totals far exceed theirs. It's unfortunate because I actually think Lebron is a top 10 player of all time. My issue is that there's simply no way he's the GOAT. So perhaps I'm more trenchant in putting forth arguments to debunk his case. But honestly.. I've seen far too many pundits glazing him it just makes me want to puke. People like Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright do my head in!

Well as you said, we aren’t going to agree on this. I don’t think Curry has a greater impact on winning, especially if we are talking both guys in their prime. But it’s all subjective. East being weak or not, when one guy makes 8 consecutive finals with 2 very different teams that is saying a lot. And there is no version of Curry we’ve ever seen that is taking the 2007 and 2018 Cavs to the finals, East or not. Probably wouldn’t have taken them there in 2015 either when Kyrie and Love missed the playoffs after round 1.

Yes, Dream’s footwork was special, not any big man in history like that. But the general point is aesthetics. We can talk about Kobe having the bag and being more fun to watch but he wasn’t anywhere near as efficient a scorer as LeBron and the latter was just an all around better player IMO. Curry is mainly just an absurd shooter, he’s not a true point guard and with his size obviously not much of a defender. But what gets lost with some people is just the threat of him being on the floor opens everything up for his team. And the man obviously has “it” as a leader and when it comes to intangibles.

LeBron statistically, accolades, analytics, etc just is well above pretty much everyone except MJ and that’s not just cumulative stats either. But obviously as we know, stats and accolades aren’t everything and that’s why there are debates oh and I totally can’t stand Sharpe, Wright, Cowherd, Skip or Stephen A. It’s a sign of the times that the “shock value” reporting is everything.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

Well as you said, we aren’t going to agree on this. I don’t think Curry has a greater impact on winning, especially if we are talking both guys in their prime. But it’s all subjective. East being weak or not, when one guy makes 8 consecutive finals with 2 very different teams that is saying a lot. And there is no version of Curry we’ve ever seen that is taking the 2007 and 2018 Cavs to the finals, East or not. Probably wouldn’t have taken them there in 2015 either when Kyrie and Love missed the playoffs after round 1.

Yeah, definitely. In the years LeBron didn't win, he at least made the Conference Finals or NBA Finals most years. LeBron has 10 NBA Finals and 12 Conference Finals appearances. Steph just has the 6 Conference Finals/NBA Finals, meaning he lost in the early rounds or missed the playoffs more often.

 

[Federberg]

Yeah, definitely. In the years LeBron didn't win, he at least made the Conference Finals or NBA Finals most years. LeBron has 10 NBA Finals and 12 Conference Finals appearances. Steph just has the 6 Conference Finals/NBA Finals, meaning he lost in the early rounds or missed the playoffs more often.

different conferences. Getting through the East in those years is not as impressive as it seems. Meanwhile the West has been a murderers row. I really have to find the info someone gave me about the number of All NBA players in the East over a 10yr span when Lebron was dominant. The number was about 40. When you consider that All NBA is for 15 players each year... and bear in mind that 14 of those were either Lebron or his teammates. That shows how weak the East was. Context matters

 

[Federberg]

Anyway.. my beloved Golden State Warriors got gentleman swept. That hamstring was an absolute killer. I hope that they have a serious look at that squad. I think Podziemski has talent but he's not a starter. His reluctance/refusal to shoot open 3s killed us! If I see another fake 3, to take the middy which he subsequently chickens out of I'll scream. Imagine a supposed 40+% shooter in College persistently giving up the open 3 to pass on to Draymond Green. God bless Draymond, he took the challenge and tried but on a good day he's 33-34% shooter. That was rank cowardice in my view. I hope they sell Podziemski and Kuminga. I want to see Cam Johnson as a Warrior next season! And a legit fkg big! Enough with this small ball. Everyone knows what we're trying to do now, and the Nuggets bully us is annoying! aaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!

 

[kskate2]

Anyway.. my beloved Golden State Warriors got gentleman swept. That hamstring was an absolute killer. I hope that they have a serious look at that squad. I think Podziemski has talent but he's not a starter. His reluctance/refusal to shoot open 3s killed us! If I see another fake 3, to take the middy which he subsequently chickens out of I'll scream. Imagine a supposed 40+% shooter in College persistently giving up the open 3 to pass on to Draymond Green. God bless Draymond, he took the challenge and tried but on a good day he's 33-34% shooter. That was rank cowardice in my view. I hope they sell Podziemski and Kuminga. I want to see Cam Johnson as a Warrior next season! And a legit fkg big! Enough with this small ball. Everyone knows what we're trying to do now, and the Nuggets bully us is annoying! aaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!

We've been barking about the Dubs squad every year the last few years when they were eliminated. They've needed size for a long time. They needed help scoring since the splash bros was dismantled. They go get Jimmy Buckets, but even he can't save them against Minny. I like Steph just like the next person but they need some talented young blood and stop farting around w/ these old heads and pay the $$ to get the required help

 

[Federberg]

We've been barking about the Dubs squad every year the last few years when they were eliminated. They've needed size for a long time. They needed help scoring since the splash bros was dismantled. They go get Jimmy Buckets, but even he can't save them against Minny. I like Steph just like the next person but they need some talented young blood and stop farting around w/ these old heads and pay the $$ to get the required help

I agree with you. I can't understand the obsession with small ball when guys like Bogut were there at the start to get them over the hump. Just because it worked with the KD iteration is a stupid reason to plow ahead with it. My goodness what I would do if we could get Giannis! But realistically any decent big would do. Allow Draymond to play the 4. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I think Dunleavy is a much better GM than Myers. Bob just rode the splash bros and the KD acquisition. His last few draft years were utter trash