Nadalites – Rafa Nadal Talk

[Andy22]

Haha Bob and his team complaining about the conditions and balls at the beginning, they quickly realised it’s even more in his favour, because it ales everything just slower.
Now he could run down even more balls and hold them in play.
Be realistic and don’t put more into it.
I think just NadalGoat2 was clever and honest enough to mention that in the middle of the tournament. Chapeau.


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I know bit late with this reply but thanks man your also a very wise poster and one of the best on this forum most that you say is 100% right and true hard court goat Djokovic is going to back come hard at AO next year.

 

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[Jelenafan]

"Went Through a Bad Time": Rafael Nadal Reveals Physical Struggles Months Before French Open Victory - EssentiallySports

Rafael Nadal recently won his third title in Paris but it did not come easy. He went through some tough times and he has just given the details about this.

www.essentiallysports.com

Excerpt:

“On a social level, we’ve been living with continuous problems. On a personal level, it’s a reality that after the lockdown I went through a bad time, my body did not respond in the best way possible. I had a lot of days where I could only train very little, with unpleasant feelings in my body. All of that, together with training without clear goals, makes the problem worse.”

This make me think that like a lot of supremely conditioned athletes whose workout routine is all planned ahead of time, the lack of routine can create some physical imbalances in their system.

I know long distance runners who are used to running 5/10/15 miles a day who when forced not to do it after many years, it throws their bodies out of whack because that repetition goes suddenly missing and their body reacts. Wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened to Rafa.

 

[Bonaca]

"Went Through a Bad Time": Rafael Nadal Reveals Physical Struggles Months Before French Open Victory - EssentiallySports

Rafael Nadal recently won his third title in Paris but it did not come easy. He went through some tough times and he has just given the details about this.

www.essentiallysports.com

Excerpt:



This make me think that like a lot of supremely conditioned athletes whose workout routine is all planned ahead of time, the lack of routine can create some physical imbalances in their system.

I know long distance runners who are used to running 5/10/15 miles a day who when forced not to do it after many years, it throws their bodies out of whack because that repetition goes suddenly missing and their body reacts. Wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened to Rafa.

Good comparison with marathon runners, it’s the worst for him, no one does as many repetitions as he does.
Many people still think : more running=more health.
Same is waiting for Thiem.


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[Jelenafan]

Good comparison with marathon runners, it’s the worst for him, no one does as many repetitions as he does.
Many people still think : more running=more health.
Same is waiting for Thiem.


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Actually Carlo Moya has toned down how much training he does compared to previous years under Uncle Toni:

https://www.atptour.com/en/news/moya-interview-about-nadal-december-2018

excerpt:

Does that mean training won't be as brutal or as punishing?
Well, since I joined Rafa's team, training sessions haven't lasted longer than two hours. That's more than enough time in practice, considering the level of intensity Rafa puts into training. We give his well-being the highest priority and take all precautions necessary to avoid injury. Going three-and-a-half hours would be overkill and wouldn't make for more quality training.

I'm in favour of the shorter workout sessions. As an example, we've reduced the double workout sessions in a day; we reserve that for tournaments and that's because the goal then is to work around the scheduled morning/evening sessions and get work in when it's available.

 

[Kieran]

That’s great! I love this too:



I wish Rafa would being back uncle Toni, and get rid of the porn star...

 

[Bonaca]

Actually Carlo Moya has toned down how much training he does compared to previous years under Uncle Toni:

https://www.atptour.com/en/news/moya-interview-about-nadal-december-2018

excerpt:

Very smart from Carlos and good for Nadal.
This will keep him longer at a high level, I’m not sure if it will help when one day leaving pro tennis?


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It is difficult to conceive for some that Rafael Nadal could be better than Roger Federer: Gilles Simon

 

[Carol]

That’s great! I love this too:



I wish Rafa would being back uncle Toni, and get rid of the porn star...

Who is porn star?

 

[Jelenafan]

It is difficult to conceive for some that Rafael Nadal could be better than Roger Federer: Gilles Simon

I'm just glad even among the players the double standards/hypocrisy is noted where rumors about Rafa and drugs would circulate because of his performance, and as Simon noted, when 36 year old Federer was running around fresh as a daisy after consecutive 5 set matches in 2017 dead silence from the doping/drug conspiracy contingent.

 

[Bonaca]

I'm just glad even among the players the double standards/hypocrisy is noted where rumors about Rafa and drugs would circulate because of his performance, and as Simon noted, when 36 year old Federer was running around fresh as a daisy after consecutive 5 set matches in 2017 dead silence from the doping/drug conspiracy contingent.

It’s not well comparable.
Rogers playing style is way lesser physical demanding. The ability of endlessly running is what brought up the rumours.
That for Roger not suspicious like Nadal.


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[Kieran]

Who is porn star?

Moya. Waste of a seat in the players box, when he can be bothered to show. Skipped TWO Wimbledon’s, which is ridiculous. When Rafa went in overnight a set down in the semis against Djoker, the porn star should have been on a flight outta whatever seedy den he was enjoying himself in, and been there supporting him. I’d much prefer uncle Toni to be back for the rest of Rafa’s career...

 

[Carol]

Moya. Waste of a seat in the players box, when he can be bothered to show. Skipped TWO Wimbledon’s, which is ridiculous. When Rafa went in overnight a set down in the semis against Djoker, the porn star should have been on a flight outta whatever seedy den he was enjoying himself in, and been there supporting him. I’d much prefer uncle Toni to be back for the rest of Rafa’s career...

Uncle Toni always is there, maybe no physically but he is there with Rafa

 

[Jelenafan]

Uncle Toni always is there, maybe no physically but he is there with Rafa

Trying to think of another player/coach relationship with the success and sustained longevity of Rafa/Toni which was at least 15 years and 16 Major wins but I'm fairly sure it's unprecedented.

Sort of like the tennis version of Tom Brady/Bill Belichick in American football. It ran it's course and with the phoenix rising from the ashes scenario of 2017 it was nice to see Uncle Toni leave on his own terms with the transition to Carlos. I got the impression that Toni had had enough of the tournament season grind. Toni has the best of all worlds now, with a front row seat to Rafa's tennis without having to do the heavy pushing.

What I loved about Toni (and actually Carlos Moya) and Rafa's whole support/team is that it's never about them. You don't hear them shading the other players or lamenting " woe is me "or playing the victim card. They understand they are there to support but not to make headlines on their own. Uncle Toni always struck me as confident that Rafa could overtake Federer but about Roger himself he's always been respectful and laudatory.

 

[Moxie]

Trying to think of another player/coach relationship with the success and sustained longevity of Rafa/Toni which was at least 15 years and 16 Major wins but I'm fairly sure it's unprecedented.

Sort of like the tennis version of Tom Brady/Bill Belichick in American football. It ran it's course and with the phoenix rising from the ashes scenario of 2017 it was nice to see Uncle Toni leave on his own terms with the transition to Carlos. I got the impression that Toni had had enough of the tournament season grind. Toni has the best of all worlds now, with a front row seat to Rafa's tennis without having to do the heavy pushing.

What I loved about Toni (and actually Carlos Moya) and Rafa's whole support/team is that it's never about them. You don't hear them shading the other players or lamenting " woe is me "or playing the victim card. They understand they are there to support but not to make headlines on their own. Uncle Toni always struck me as confident that Rafa could overtake Federer but about Roger himself he's always been respectful and laudatory.

In fairness, let's not pretend that Toni hasn't talked enough to the press to the point that it sometimes was about him.

But it is rare, in men's or women's, to see a coach take a player from babyhood to multiple-slam winner. (Richard Williams is another.)

I can't but think that Toni stepping aside was about not traveling anymore, and staying at home with his kids. And obviously running the Nadal Academy. I don't get @Kieran calling Moyà a "porn star" or not understanding how he slots perfectly into the Nadal family of coaching, physios and etc., with and including Roig. Moyà was Rafa's mentor from when Rafa was 12. They come from the same island, and they speak the same dialect. I absolutely think that Toni is still a voice...and we've seen him show up when Rafa needs the support...but Carlos is a good new voice on changing a few things up.

 

[Moxie]

It’s not well comparable.
Rogers playing style is way lesser physical demanding. The ability of endlessly running is what brought up the rumours.
That for Roger not suspicious like Nadal.


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Oh, it IS comparable, and the notion of Roger's playing style is a MacGuffin, at this stage of the game. You keep trying to make Rafa's game all about running. I keep telling you that this isn't track and field. If you had the least notion of how tennis is played, you could see how Rafa's game works. At least Rafa's results are consistent across his career. No gigantic bump in results such as Novak in 2011 or Roger in 2017. Clearly you don't know much about PEDs and jumps in results. Read what Simon said...he's a player on the tour.

 

[Andy22]

we all love uncle Toni, but Nadal needed someone on outside like the great Moya to make Nadal a even better player which he has done, Nadal under coach Moya better serve, net game return even backhand. Nadal also ending points faster than he ever was under moya hes been a great coach so overall Nadal and moya have made a great team.

 

[Jelenafan]

Speaking of Longevity: This week Rafa just surpassed Connors for the Open Era most consecutive weeks at top ten, 15 + years...and counting

Rank	Country	Name	Weeks at Top 10	Start Date	End Date
1	USA	Jimmy Connors	787	26-08-1973	24-09-1988
1	ESP	Rafael Nadal	787	24-04-2005	17-10-2020
3	SUI	Roger Federer	734	13-10-2002	29-10-2016
4	USA	Ivan Lendl	619	06-07-1980	09-05-1992
5	USA	Pete Sampras	565	09-09-1990	30-06-2001
6	SRB	Novak Djokovic	555	18-03-2007	28-10-2017

 

[Kieran]

In fairness, let's not pretend that Toni hasn't talked enough to the press to the point that it sometimes was about him.

But it is rare, in men's or women's, to see a coach take a player from babyhood to multiple-slam winner. (Richard Williams is another.)

I can't but think that Toni stepping aside was about not traveling anymore, and staying at home with his kids. And obviously running the Nadal Academy. I don't get @Kieran calling Moyà a "porn star" or not understanding how he slots perfectly into the Nadal family of coaching, physios and etc., with and including Roig. Moyà was Rafa's mentor from when Rafa was 12. They come from the same island, and they speak the same dialect. I absolutely think that Toni is still a voice...and we've seen him show up when Rafa needs the support...but Carlos is a good new voice on changing a few things up.

I call him the porn star because he’s like hunky beef of nothing in the box, and when he skipped those Wimbledons, he might as well have been off somewhere in some red light dive filming his close ups. That was sacrilegious of him. Rafa needed him then, but where was he?

I don’t see what he’s added to the team. I get the Mallorca connection, and that Rafa likes having him around, but uncle Toni brought Rafa from the cradle to the 16th slam of his career. He had every gift of all the great coaches, from the technical to the psychological, and insight into how to turn tables on Rafa’s greatest opponents. I doubt Toni will ever be back on the team, and I agree with Jelenafan, he just wanted to stop the yearly grind, but I’m not as enamoured of his replacement as almost every other Rafa fan is...

 

[Bonaca]

Oh, it IS comparable, and the notion of Roger's playing style is a MacGuffin, at this stage of the game. You keep trying to make Rafa's game all about running. I keep telling you that this isn't track and field. If you had the least notion of how tennis is played, you could see how Rafa's game works. At least Rafa's results are consistent across his career. No gigantic bump in results such as Novak in 2011 or Roger in 2017. Clearly you don't know much about PEDs and jumps in results. Read what Simon said...he's a player on the tour.

No it isn’t. Rogers style completely different. When he goes 5 it’s like Nadal goes 3.
Also take notion how they run and what foot position they have: Roger runs like gazelle, front foot dominant, Nadal more like cow back foot dominant, also Nadal strongly supinates. Despite all of that, Nadal endlessly runs and brings back for years.
Also the consistency could be put in the same bag, but that’s in my opinion due to his work and focus, and lack of side administration.
Not I brought up rumours , these facts did. In fairness that are just rumours.
But there are reasons why he is suspicious and not the others.
Just pointing that out my dear.


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