Nadalites – Rafa Nadal Talk

[GameSetAndMath]

While there are uncertainties with Roger's schedule, Ralph has announced his full 2019 schedule recently. Here it is.


Rafael Nadal 2019 schedule

Abu Dhabi (exho)

Brisbane

Sydney (exho)

Australian Open

Acapulco

Indian Wells

Miami

Monte Carlo

Barcelona

Madrid

Rome

Roland Garros

Wimbledon

Montreal

Cincinnati

US Open

Laver Cup (exho)

Shanghai

Paris

ATP Finals (if he qualifies)

Davis Cup finals

 

[Moxie]

I think most use winning percentage on it, number of titles and specifically number of Majors. It seems a bit perverse to go over it all again, but this is the Rafa Fans thread, so I'll enjoy it: 92% win pct. on clay, which is the most, at least in the Open Era. 57 titles on clay, which is a record. 11 titles at RG, when no man holds that many Majors at any other Slam tournament (by +3,) also 11 MC and 11 Barcelona, both records. He's 86-2 at RG (98%.) His record on clay overall in Bo5 is something like 102-2, which is pretty crazy. Also record 81 match win streak on clay, the record. (Also overall for a surface streak, IIRC.)

By contrast, Roger, who I believe by now is considered the Open Era grass GOAT: 87% on grass. 18 titles. 95-12 at Wimbledon (89%) with 8 titles (the record.) He also has 9 titles at Halle, which may be the grass record (open era for men? But who knows...they used to play a lot more on grass.) He also holds the surface win streak: 65.

It doesn't seem so like you to be this petulant about it, but I do think most would give surface GOAT to Rafa on clay. It's kinda hard not to.

CORRECTION: 112-2 in best of 5 on clay.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

1. Saying UFEs are also forced errors is like saying black is white. They keep track of winners and unforced errors explicitly. You can find
out the forced errors of Roger by subtracting from the total points won by Ralph the sum of winners by Ralph and UFE by Roger.

Also,
Wimbledon in very lenient in counting UFEs.
People rarely cross the 50+ UFE mark.
I begrudge Nadals win, but mostly hate this being called the greatest match of all time more than anything.There was choking and poor play from both players to call it that.

 

[isabelle]

he arrived in Abu Dhabi and'll meet tall Kevin

 

[DarthFed]

1. I think everyone knows that forced and unforced errors aren't tracked that carefully and are subjective. There is a huge argument in general about "forced errors."

2. It is only the assessment of the Federer fans that Roger played poorly. The consensus in general is that it was a stellar match because both played outstandingly well, overall. I and many have said that Roger started slowly, but he did not play poorly in that match. He just lost it. It was close. He played very well. Folks need to get over that one.

The consensus is that it was a great match. It is mostly Nadal fans that think Roger was some kind of superhuman in that match when pretty much everything shows it as a hugely disappointing performance. His forehand was great for a couple sets, aside from that I can't think of anything he did particularly well that match. Need I remind you he had won 65 in a row on grass, so a C level performance doesn't mean he wasn't going to be competitive. Need I remind you a whole army of scrubs have beaten Rafa at Wimbledon or at least taken him to 5. It doesn't take a superlative performance to bear Nadal on grass, it took a weak one to lose in 5.

UFE's are subjective and Wimbledon is incredibly generous with them. 52 UE's is probably one of the highest totals ever recorded there and it paints the picture of Roger's highly erratic play.

 

[Moxie]

The consensus is that it was a great match. It is mostly Nadal fans that think Roger was some kind of superhuman in that match when pretty much everything shows it as a hugely disappointing performance. His forehand was great for a couple sets, aside from that I can't think of anything he did particularly well that match. Need I remind you he had won 65 in a row on grass, so a C level performance doesn't mean he wasn't going to be competitive. Need I remind you a whole army of scrubs have beaten Rafa at Wimbledon or at least taken him to 5. It doesn't take a superlative performance to bear Nadal on grass, it took a weak one to lose in 5.

UFE's are subjective and Wimbledon is incredibly generous with them. 52 UE's is probably one of the highest totals ever recorded there and it paints the picture of Roger's highly erratic play.

Again with the hyperbole (AND repetition.) I have never said Roger was super-human that day, or even his best ever. I have always said I thought he started out looking less-than-inspired. Never mind everyone else...you're responding to me. As to other losses, those are subsequent, since dodgy knees have made the grass tougher on Rafa. And some real upsets, I will be fair. But the future doesn't necessarily prove the past, so that's a cheap one. And even RF, greatest ever on grass, lost to a 116-ranked guy in 2nd round, so it can happen.

 

[Moxie]

he arrived in Abu Dhabi and'll meet tall Kevin

Lost in a tight 3rd, when he had a lot of break chances, then it was KA who broke at 4-all, then served it out. Not terrible for a first match back.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Lost in a tight 3rd, when he had a lot of break chances, then it was KA who broke at 4-all, then served it out. Not terrible for a first match back.

Excellent result as I did not include exhibition matches in my prayer.

 

[DarthFed]

Again with the hyperbole (AND repetition.) I have never said Roger was super-human that day, or even his best ever. I have always said I thought he started out looking less-than-inspired. Never mind everyone else...you're responding to me. As to other losses, those are subsequent, since dodgy knees have made the grass tougher on Rafa. And some real upsets, I will be fair. But the future doesn't necessarily prove the past, so that's a cheap one. And even RF, greatest ever on grass, lost to a 116-ranked guy in 2nd round, so it can happen.

It's called a difference of opinion. I don't see how it's hyperbole to think Roger wasn't good that day. His forehand was lights out for much of the last 3 sets and his serve was average at best for his standards. Aside from that he was mostly crap, especially on return. Tough to say he played well when he broke the underwhelming Nadal serve 1 time in 30 service games. Also in a must win 2nd set he blew a 4-1 lead. He then mounted a fruitless comeback attempt. Where in all of that is this great play you speak of?

 

[Front242]

Excellent result as I did not include exhibition matches in my prayer.

Sorry to break it to you but there's no such thing as a good loss.

 

[Moxie]

Sorry to break it to you but there's no such thing as a good loss.

In an exhibition, coming back from a surgery? Yes, there is.

 

[Moxie]

Also,
Wimbledon in very lenient in counting UFEs.
People rarely cross the 50+ UFE mark.
I begrudge Nadals win, but mostly hate this being called the greatest match of all time more than anything.There was choking and poor play from both players to call it that.

I know that Federer fans hate it being called "The Greatest Match of all Time." I'm going to start a thread so we can discuss the concept, and the match, since we keep going back over it.

 

[Front242]

In an exhibition, coming back from a surgery? Yes, there is.

They said the surgery was a very minor thing and it wasn't impacting his movement in any whatsoever so to lose is not a good start, no. Obviously if he won he'd have played his next match.

 

[isabelle]

he pulled out of Abu Dhabi after his loss vs tall Kevin, he wants to save his energy for AO

 

[Moxie]

They said the surgery was a very minor thing and it wasn't impacting his movement in any whatsoever so to lose is not a good start, no. Obviously if he won he'd have played his next match.

I have my take and you have yours. I choose to be optimistic. This is the Nadal fans thread, after all. You've already made your point. If you want to hammer your negativity, it would be nicer if you'd take it over to the Nadal haters thread.

 

[Front242]

I have my take and you have yours. I choose to be optimistic. This is the Nadal fans thread, after all. You've already made your point. If you want to hammer your negativity, it would be nicer if you'd take it over to the Nadal haters thread.

Wasn't aware there was one but kudos to whoever created it if there is

 

[Moxie]

Wasn't aware there was one but kudos to whoever created it if there is

Only a matter of time, and it's got your name or Darth's all over it.

 

[herios]

he pulled out of Abu Dhabi after his loss vs tall Kevin, he wants to save his energy for AO

AO is still a few weeks away. Saving his energy for Brisbane makes more sense.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

AO is still a few weeks away. Saving his energy for Brisbane makes more sense.

Nadal is not a servebot.

 

[herios]

Nadal is not a servebot.

I know that.