Nadalites – Rafa Nadal Talk

[atttomole]

Except that Nadal isn't just retrieval skills. And what makes him so popular is a flair of a different kind, which is wildly under appreciated by Fed fans. But no matter...we're used to it. Anyway, I'm waiting for the rest of your argument for Roger as the surface GOAT, because I think that's where you're going. Give it your best shot. Why not?

I never said Roger is the surface GOAT. Rafa has 11 French Opens!! However, the difference in the way the surfaces play is a major factor in determining the number of titles won on a surface, as I said in the other post.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

I never said Roger is the surface GOAT. Rafa has 11 French Opens!! However, the difference in the way the surfaces play is a major factor in determining the number of titles won on a surface, as I said in the other post.

French Open is much more difficult to dominate.

Nadal has 11 French Opens, the next man has 6 (Borg), and then it's all the way down to 3 (Kuerten, Wilander, Lendl)

Federer has 8 Wimbledons, the next man has 7 (Sampras), and then it's 5 (Borg), 4 (Djokovic) and 3 (Becker, McEnroe).

Clearly what Rafa has accomplished is much more difficult because clay is just more difficult to dominate as history shows. With Wimbledon, if you have a great serve it's already half the battle, with the French Open you have to fight for every point like it's the last day you're on earth and you have to have a complete game. Tons of players are fast and defend well, but it takes much more than that.

Clay is the most difficult surface and that makes Rafa's clear dominance of it even more spectacular. Frankly what Federer did on grass isn't that much greater than Sampras or even Borg. Also give Djokovic a few more years and he might join them. Nadal is already far away by himself and he'll probably add many more.

 

[atttomole]

French Open is much more difficult to dominate.

Nadal has 11 French Opens, the next man has 6 (Borg), and then it's all the way down to 3 (Kuerten, Wilander, Lendl)

Federer has 8 Wimbledons, the next man has 7 (Sampras), and then it's 5 (Borg), 4 (Djokovic) and 3 (Becker, McEnroe).

Clearly what Rafa has accomplished is much more difficult because clay is just more difficult to dominate as history shows. With Wimbledon, if you have a great serve it's already half the battle, with the French Open you have to fight for every point like it's the last day you're on earth and you have to have a complete game. Tons of players are fast and defend well, but it takes much more than that.

Clay is the most difficult surface and that makes Rafa's clear dominance of it even more spectacular. Frankly what Federer did on grass isn't that much greater than Sampras or even Borg. Also give Djokovic a few more years and he might join them. Nadal is already far away by himself and he'll probably add many more.

I am not sure if clay is the most difficult. It is surely the slowest surface. You have to scrap consistently to win on clay, and Nadal can do that. On grass, you can lose the match very quickly if your opponent serves well. At least on clay you can fight for every point, but against Nadal you need strong legs to have a chance.

The reason why Federer has 8 Wimbies is simply that he is that good, and his tennis is suited to the surface.

 

[Carol]

French Open is much more difficult to dominate.

Nadal has 11 French Opens, the next man has 6 (Borg), and then it's all the way down to 3 (Kuerten, Wilander, Lendl)

Federer has 8 Wimbledons, the next man has 7 (Sampras), and then it's 5 (Borg), 4 (Djokovic) and 3 (Becker, McEnroe).

Clearly what Rafa has accomplished is much more difficult because clay is just more difficult to dominate as history shows. With Wimbledon, if you have a great serve it's already half the battle, with the French Open you have to fight for every point like it's the last day you're on earth and you have to have a complete game. Tons of players are fast and defend well, but it takes much more than that.

Clay is the most difficult surface and that makes Rafa's clear dominance of it even more spectacular. Frankly what Federer did on grass isn't that much greater than Sampras or even Borg. Also give Djokovic a few more years and he might join them. Nadal is already far away by himself and he'll probably add many more.

Totally agreed and the proof is there are more winners in Wimbledon than in RG like Federer 8, Novak 4, Nadal 2, Murray 1. RG? Nadal 11, and under "certain circumstances" Federer 1, Novak 1 and Wawrinka 1 which means that or it's easier to win Wimbledon or Nadal has a superb domination in RG than anyone else on grass including Federer. And of course the service has to do a lot on grass, it's their best help

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Nadal doesn’t play himself in the finals of the French Open, he has many opponents including the likes of Federer, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Ferrer, etc. The fact that he owns an 11-0 record in finals proves his dominance.

Meanwhile Federer on his best surface has lost many Wimbledon finals including against “scrappers” according to you like Nadal and Djokovic, certainly not huge servers. It just shows that Federer is just not dominant enough on grass to win them all.

Also Djokovic is a huge rival for Nadal evren on clay everywhere but in those RG finals he couldn’t beat him. Nadal 6-0 against Federer and Djokovic in RG finals. Federer is 2-3 against Djokovic and Nadal in Wimbledon finals. Overall against all sorts of opponents and styles of play Nadal is 86-2 at RG and Federer is 95-12 at Wimbledon. Not even close.

 

[DarthFed]

Go watch ice skating or curling while you're at it while we watch UFC or American Football. Federer's style is feminine, Nadal's style is manly and epic.

Nadal's style is ugly and peasant-like. Just about winning a war of attrition for most of his career. Now that he can't move like before he actually has something approaching an all-around game. Roger is and always was elegant.

 

[DarthFed]

Many Rafa fans are criminally overrating Federer's serve. They are acting like he's Isner out there. I've always felt it gets a bit overrated with some overrating it to an enormous degree. If his serve was all that he wouldn't have lost a ton on grass.

 

[atttomole]

Nadal doesn’t play himself in the finals of the French Open, he has many opponents including the likes of Federer, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Ferrer, etc. The fact that he owns an 11-0 record in finals proves his dominance.

Meanwhile Federer on his best surface has lost many Wimbledon finals including against “scrappers” according to you like Nadal and Djokovic, certainly not huge servers. It just shows that Federer is just not dominant enough on grass to win them all.

Also Djokovic is a huge rival for Nadal evren on clay everywhere but in those RG finals he couldn’t beat him. Nadal 6-0 against Federer and Djokovic in RG finals. Federer is 2-3 against Djokovic and Nadal in Wimbledon finals. Overall against all sorts of opponents and styles of play Nadal is 86-2 at RG and Federer is 95-12 at Wimbledon. Not even close.

It looks like you are forgetting that the surface at Wimbledon is playing so slowly that slow-court players like Djokovic, and especially Rafa look much better on grass than they are. Rafa and Djokovic have benefited from the changes at Wimbledon. You can not find equivalent changes at RG, where the conditions are to Rafa’s liking. Imagine RG becoming lightning quick in the second week.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

It looks like you are forgetting that the surface at Wimbledon is playing so slowly that slow-court players like Djokovic, and especially Rafa look much better on grass than they are. Rafa and Djokovic have benefited from the changes at Wimbledon. You can not find equivalent changes at RG, where the conditions are to Rafa’s liking. Imagine RG becoming lightning quick in the second week.

That's such an overexaggeration but let me just say this, even if Wimbledon is played on lightning quick ice, Federer would still not have Nadal's record at RG.

 

[Front242]

That's such an overexaggeration but let me just say this, even if Wimbledon is played on lightning quick ice, Federer would still not have Nadal's record at RG.

You forget he's nothing but a servebot so I'm pretty sure, going by that, he would.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

You forget he's nothing but a servebot so I'm pretty sure, going by that, he would.

He’s a servebot indeed so that’s why I assume that a few other more complete players such as Nadal and Djokovic will still managed to beat him even on ice. B-)

 

[Front242]

He’s a servebot indeed so that’s why I assume that a few other more complete players such as Nadal and Djokovic will still managed to beat him even on ice. B-)

To be fair Djokovic is a very complete player apart from terrible overheads but he's improved those lately. Pretty laughable though to consider Nadal a more complete player than Federer but nothing you post here is a surprise to anyone.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

To be fair Djokovic is a very complete player apart from terrible overheads but he's improved those lately. Pretty laughable though to consider Nadal a more complete player than Federer but nothing you post here is a surprise to anyone.

He actually is. Oh well, you may not realize it now but you will by the time they retire. Federer is just attack attack attack and finish the point as quickly as possible, meanwhile Nadal is a smarter player kind of like genius tactician chess player, a thinker out there with every shot in the book and with the perfect combination of patience, strategy and offensive. The only reason why Federer has a small lead over the slam record is a combination of his age (playing more years) and having accumulated many slams in the transitional weak era in the middle of Agassi/Sampras and Nadal/Djokovic, otherwise he would have maybe 10 slams But Nadal will still manage to pass him.

 

[Front242]

He actually is. Oh well, you may not realize it now but you will by the time they retire. Federer is just attack attack attack and finish the point as quickly as possible, meanwhile Nadal is a smarter player kind of like genius tactician chess player, a thinker out there with every shot in the book and with the perfect combination of patience, strategy and offensive. The only reason why Federer has a small lead over the slam record is a combination of his age (playing more years) and having accumulated many slams in the transitional weak era in the middle of Agassi/Sampras and Nadal/Djokovic, otherwise he would have maybe 10 slams But Nadal will still manage to pass him.

Keep telling yourself dumb shit and eventually you begin to believe it I guess. The last few years have been the weakest in decades. Btw, the mighty Kevin Anderson says hi. Anyone with half a brain would tell you beating prime Roddick on grass took much more than beating Kevin Anderson on the dog slow US Open courts but keep deluding yourself. It's fun for us all here to watch you embarrass yourself. Gonna pour myself a cold one and toast to the sheer stupidity of your posts.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Keep telling yourself dumb shit and eventually you begin to believe it I guess. The last few years have been the weakest in decades. Btw, the mighty Kevin Anderson says hi. Anyone with half a brain would tell you beating prime Roddick on grass took much more than beating Kevin Anderson on the dog slow US Open courts but keep deluding yourself. It's fun for us all here to watch you embarrass yourself. Gonna pour myself a cold one and toast to the sheer stupidity of your posts.

I see that I touched a sensitive nerve. Sorry but your dramatic response proves that what I said is the truth. Hopefully one day you will learn how to handle and accept the truth, but in the meantime just remember that Roger isn't your husband and that it's just tennis... so relax.

 

[atttomole]

He actually is. Oh well, you may not realize it now but you will by the time they retire. Federer is just attack attack attack and finish the point as quickly as possible, meanwhile Nadal is a smarter player kind of like genius tactician chess player, a thinker out there with every shot in the book and with the perfect combination of patience, strategy and offensive. The only reason why Federer has a small lead over the slam record is a combination of his age (playing more years) and having accumulated many slams in the transitional weak era in the middle of Agassi/Sampras and Nadal/Djokovic, otherwise he would have maybe 10 slams But Nadal will still manage to pass him.

This is an interesting post. The bolded part seems to describe Federer, not Nadal.

 

[Front242]

This is an interesting post. The bolded part seems to describe Federer, not Nadal.

It shows the sheer level of delusion we're dealing with here.

 

[Front242]

I see that I touched a sensitive nerve. Sorry but your dramatic response proves that what I said is the truth. Hopefully one day you will learn how to handle and accept the truth, but in the meantime just remember that Roger isn't your husband and that it's just tennis... so relax.

On the contrary, it's the complete opposite. I for one don't believe Nadal or even Djokovic would have beaten prime Roddick on grass and he was made to look weak only by Federer. Hence you and others with this silly nonsense about a pretend "weak era" just make me chuckle.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

On the contrary, it's the complete opposite. I for one don't believe Nadal or even Djokovic would have beaten prime Roddick on grass and he was made to look weak only by Federer. Hence you and others with this silly nonsense about a pretend "weak era" just make me chuckle.

Roddick Lol

Nadal has even beaten prime Federer on grass, Einstein. :cuckoo:

 

[Front242]

Roddick Lol

Nadal has even beaten prime Federer on grass, Einstein. :cuckoo:

The pathetic performance Federer put on at RG was the reason for that loss and he didn't even start playing properly for 2.5 sets at Wimbledon. I guess 52 unforced errors is evidence he played well too.