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Nadalites – Rafa Nadal Talk
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Djokovic needs to score 1035 more than Nadal from presumably Shanghai-Paris-WTF.Nadal might play Vienna-Paris-WTF.
JMDP will play Beijing-Shanghai-Stockholm-Basel-Paris-WTF.
He is around 2500 points behind Nadal.So an outside chance.
Unfortunately Federer will play only Shanghai-Basel-WTF and he's behind by 2600 so has little to no chances
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Looks pretty likely that Djoker ends up as Year End #1.
By the way, this has been discussed before... but does it really matter who is the Year End #1? As it's a rolling calendar I've never thought being #1 on Dec 31 is much different than being #1 on any other date during the year. Weeks at #1 is a far better premise to work off.
By the way, this has been discussed before... but does it really matter who is the Year End #1? As it's a rolling calendar I've never thought being #1 on Dec 31 is much different than being #1 on any other date during the year. Weeks at #1 is a far better premise to work off.
I agree that it really shouldn't matter at all. But at the same time the calendar slam feels like the most important achievement of of all. Is there any logical reason Djokovic shouldn't get credit. Probably not, but yet it is what they all want so it is important.
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ATP hypes it a lot but yeah definitely agree that in a rolling calendar like ATP weeks at #1 is a better indicator
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Most sports are defined by ranking at the conclusion of a season. Tennis has a definite season ( 4 Majors, Masters, etc) and things are wrapped up by November with a short break before the madness begins again, so I do think that YE #1 does carry more weight than a random week in January.
Pistol Pete’s one remaining Open record is in trouble regardless, 6 years ranked YE #1. Can’t see Rafa or Nole not remaining competitive for it the next few years if they stay healthy.
Pistol Pete’s one remaining Open record is in trouble regardless, 6 years ranked YE #1. Can’t see Rafa or Nole not remaining competitive for it the next few years if they stay healthy.
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Even in that case YE #1 matters because it gives the winner lots of free weeks at weekly #1 during the off season.
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At best I can concede them being of equal importance.
If the rankings reset every new year like in F1 then definitely YE#1 would be much more huge.
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YE#1 is most points for the calendar year. Is it mathematically possible to be YE#1 without being #1 in the rolling rankings at the end of the year?
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No, at the end of year both will be the same (for all practical purposes).
If you want the real story here it is. The only purpose of race rankings is to determine which 8 players get to play in WTF. So, actually the race points resets to 0 for every one when the WTF begins. YE #1 by definition is whoever is #1 in the regular rankings at the end of the year.
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I swear someone told me that was different. I'm really not clear now. So then, why does it ever matter who is YE#1, if that's correct?
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It is correct. YE #1 matters because that is how human beings like to remember an year.
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don't know, maybe because he seems more fragile than before....let's see what happen
Well he’s older, so I would think that it’s simply harder to bounce back from any injury at age 32 as opposed to 22.
However, in arithmetical sense, YE rankings are identical to the race rankings + WTF results (as if the race ranking were not reset before WTF, but after WTF and the questions of YE#1 settled), am I correct? I cannot think of any minute differences between ATP regular and race points, that would make my statement not true. Assuming my statement is true, then, when looking towards YE#1, all we need to care about is the race points + the points coming up for grabs, including from WTF. That makes our analysis much easier: we don't need to care about how many points each player has to "defend", subtract the undefended points, etc. Throw all that complexity to trash! Look at the race point standing: Novak is just 1000points behind Nadal and more than likely to gain that if he does play at his current level. Enough e.g. to do well in Shanghai (say final), make sure Nad does not end up better than Novak in Paris, and that Novak wins WTF (no matter what Nadal does there): That scenario gives Novak 600 points edge in Shanghai (where Nad is not playing) plus at least 500 points edge in WTF. Enough to overtake Nad.
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It should not be mathematically possible in a sense I described above. I think you mean the same here and you would agree with me that race points should not be forgotten before WTF (contrary to what GSM said) but after WTF because they should also be used to track the YE rankings not just "race process" only.
