Nadal Fans: Between a Rock and a Hard Place

[Kirijax]

If or when Roger captures number 18 for this Rafa fan it will be "game, set and match" and Rafa's whole career whould be a complete waste. Sunday's match results may be both Federer final coronation and Rafael's tennis funeral. So to answer this question , Djokovic is the lesser of these two "evils" for lack of a better word. Damn.

OK, Anti, you need to lay the sarcasm on a bit thicker because my sarcasm meter isn't registering it. Nadal doesn't need Federer to lose today. He is one of the greatest champions ever and will probably be in everyone's top 2 or three for a long long time. I seriously doubt Djokovic will ever appraoch Nadal's numbers (he trips up in the final way too often) so just enjoy the match. Even if Federer wins today, no one will ever be able to talk about him without mentioning Nadal. Nadal; the greatest clay court champion of all time and Federer; the greatest grass court player of all time. and we got to see them play in the same era. Pretty awesome.

 

[britbox]

If or when Roger captures number 18 for this Rafa fan it will be "game, set and match" and Rafa's whole career whould be a complete waste. Sunday's match results may be both Federer final coronation and Rafael's tennis funeral. So to answer this question , Djokovic is the lesser of these two "evils" for lack of a better word. Damn.

If you take away the $100million+in prize money and endorsements, 14 slams, an olympic gold and various other accolades then yeah, I'd agree. His career was a waste of time. No doubt he wishes he'd got a job working on a Mallorcan fishing trawler. At the same time, if Federer wins another slam on Sunday then the whole tour may as well retire. Great post AP.

 

[the AntiPusher]

If or when Roger captures number 18 for this Rafa fan it will be "game, set and match" and Rafa's whole career whould be a complete waste. Sunday's match results may be both Federer final coronation and Rafael's tennis funeral. So to answer this question , Djokovic is the lesser of these two "evils" for lack of a better word. Damn.

If you take away the $100million+in prize money and endorsements, 14 slams, an olympic gold and various other accolades then yeah, I'd agree. His career was a waste of time. No doubt he wishes he'd got a job working on a Mallorcan fishing trawler. At the same time, if Federer wins another slam on Sunday then the whole tour may as well retire. Great post AP.

Remember BB and all who "like BB's post" , the operative words I said for " this Rafa fan" his career would be a waste. It's the way I feel and there is no Damn other numeric logic you can post that can tell me I should be content with 2nd place. I am not built like that, sorry its the way I am.

 

[the AntiPusher]

If or when Roger captures number 18 for this Rafa fan it will be "game, set and match" and Rafa's whole career whould be a complete waste. Sunday's match results may be both Federer final coronation and Rafael's tennis funeral. So to answer this question , Djokovic is the lesser of these two "evils" for lack of a better word. Damn.

No AP , Rafa has had an incredible career he won so much Just get the 08 Wimbledon final dvds out tomorrow and relive the greatest tennis match of all time :clap

Thanks TM.. You know what I am saying...This entire year has been the tennis season from Hell to endure.

 

[Kieran]

If or when Roger captures number 18 for this Rafa fan it will be "game, set and match" and Rafa's whole career whould be a complete waste. Sunday's match results may be both Federer final coronation and Rafael's tennis funeral. So to answer this question , Djokovic is the lesser of these two "evils" for lack of a better word. Damn.

If you take away the $100million+in prize money and endorsements, 14 slams, an olympic gold and various other accolades then yeah, I'd agree. His career was a waste of time. No doubt he wishes he'd got a job working on a Mallorcan fishing trawler. At the same time, if Federer wins another slam on Sunday then the whole tour may as well retire. Great post AP.

Remember BB and all who "like BB's post" , the operative words I said for " this Rafa fan" his career would be a waste. It's the way I feel and there is no Damn other numeric logic you can post that can tell me I should be content with 2nd place. I am not built like that, sorry its the way I am.

Sorry brother, we're always on the same team, but this is extremism of opinion that we could associate with our buddy on the other team, Darthfed, who believes that second is nothing, etc and has been highly critical of Roger for only winning 17 majors. Fact is, both these players are exceptional. And there's no waste, because we all got a lot of miles out of Fedal, and a ton of great matches. Rafa might have caught him on slams won had he stayed fit over the last few seasons, but so what if he doesn't? Tennis historians will forever tie these two together, like Borg and Mac. They'll be inseparable, and the battles will be remembered, all the drama and championships.

You know what I think of their rivalry, but even still, I wouldn't measure Rafa's achievements by looking at what Roger has done. I look at what Rafa has been able to do, and that's good enough for me...

 

[the AntiPusher]

If you take away the $100million+in prize money and endorsements, 14 slams, an olympic gold and various other accolades then yeah, I'd agree. His career was a waste of time. No doubt he wishes he'd got a job working on a Mallorcan fishing trawler. At the same time, if Federer wins another slam on Sunday then the whole tour may as well retire. Great post AP.

Remember BB and all who "like BB's post" , the operative words I said for " this Rafa fan" his career would be a waste. It's the way I feel and there is no Damn other numeric logic you can post that can tell me I should be content with 2nd place. I am not built like that, sorry its the way I am.

Sorry brother, we're always on the same team, but this is extremism of opinion that we could associate with our buddy on the other team, Darthfed, who believes that second is nothing, etc and has been highly critical of Roger for only winning 17 majors. Fact is, both these players are exceptional. And there's no waste, because we all got a lot of miles out of Fedal, and a ton of great matches. Rafa might have caught him on slams won had he stayed fit over the last few seasons, but so what if he doesn't? Tennis historians will forever tie these two together, like Borg and Mac. They'll be inseparable, and the battles will be remembered, all the drama and championships.

You know what I think of their rivalry, but even still, I wouldn't measure Rafa's achievements by looking at what Roger has done. I look at what Rafa has been able to do, and that's good enough for me...

No worries Brother from you or any other Rafa fan..I wouldn't expect anyone to feel or see things the way that I do about Rafa. Yeah I am proud and amazed at Rafa 's accomplishments to date. However this whole recent lack of confidence quotes from Rafa has pissed me off. Its nothing that I have EVER heard from a "champion" at any sports level. Its been a prelude and part of the reason his lack of being competitive this past year. IMO Its the way I feel and I can't speak for Darth.

 

[britbox]

If or when Roger captures number 18 for this Rafa fan it will be "game, set and match" and Rafa's whole career whould be a complete waste. Sunday's match results may be both Federer final coronation and Rafael's tennis funeral. So to answer this question , Djokovic is the lesser of these two "evils" for lack of a better word. Damn.

If you take away the $100million+in prize money and endorsements, 14 slams, an olympic gold and various other accolades then yeah, I'd agree. His career was a waste of time. No doubt he wishes he'd got a job working on a Mallorcan fishing trawler. At the same time, if Federer wins another slam on Sunday then the whole tour may as well retire. Great post AP.

Remember BB and all who "like BB's post" , the operative words I said for " this Rafa fan" his career would be a waste. It's the way I feel and there is no Damn other numeric logic you can post that can tell me I should be content with 2nd place. I am not built like that, sorry its the way I am.

Good logic AP when you apply it to yourself... But when you're placing those demands on someone else... it reads "armchair general" to me. Everyone else is a waste of space unless they're the greatest of all time in their chosen field? Righto. Does Nadal owe you anything? He's probably given you a lot in your role as a fan... clearly not enough.

 

[the AntiPusher]

If you take away the $100million+in prize money and endorsements, 14 slams, an olympic gold and various other accolades then yeah, I'd agree. His career was a waste of time. No doubt he wishes he'd got a job working on a Mallorcan fishing trawler. At the same time, if Federer wins another slam on Sunday then the whole tour may as well retire. Great post AP.

Remember BB and all who "like BB's post" , the operative words I said for " this Rafa fan" his career would be a waste. It's the way I feel and there is no Damn other numeric logic you can post that can tell me I should be content with 2nd place. I am not built like that, sorry its the way I am.

Good logic AP when you apply it to yourself... But when you're placing those demands on someone else... it reads "armchair general" to me. Everyone else is a waste of space unless they're the greatest of all time in their chosen field? Righto. Does Nadal owe you anything? He's probably given you a lot in your role as a fan... clearly not enough.

BB, this is not the same champion I have followed the past decade. Regardless of the numerous highs and lows of Roger, would he or Sampras ever say , " I lack confidence" or the rest of these unacceptable quotes that Rafa says. Listen to all the former pros most recently Evert, the first thing she speaks about is Rafa providing a blueprint to his opponents, that he isn't a confident player. This guy doomed himself for this year, who does that.

 

[Kieran]

Nah, bro, they wouldn't say that, but everybody knows they lack confidence at some stage, so it's irrelevant. They also wouldn't write in their autobio that they sleep woth the lights on, and all the other stuff. Rafa being open like this is never harmful to him. Who cares what his opponents think? When he's back to his best, they'll think something different. It's not killing him to be like this....

 

[britbox]

^But that's not the way your original post read AP. Yeah, sure be disappointed with his performances this year - I guess most Nadal fans are... but you said his whole career was a complete waste IF Federer wins 18 majors... That's something else.

 

[the AntiPusher]

^But that's not the way your original post read AP. Yeah, sure be disappointed with his performances this year - I guess most Nadal fans are... but you said his whole career was a complete waste IF Federer wins 18 majors... That's something else.

Remember the operatives words, For this Rafa fan, his career is a complete waste because he had ever opportunity to succeed but made some poor decisions e.g. by killing his knees and body in mindless master series battles encounters such as 2009 Madrid which I felt totally fried him or had him jaded at RG, playing the year end championship indoor craps at London when he could have been focused on trying to win AO.

 

[Kieran]

^But that's not the way your original post read AP. Yeah, sure be disappointed with his performances this year - I guess most Nadal fans are... but you said his whole career was a complete waste IF Federer wins 18 majors... That's something else.

Remember the operatives words, For this Rafa fan, his career is a complete waste because he had ever opportunity to succeed but made some poor decisions e.g. by killing his knees and body in mindless master series battles encounters such as 2009 Madrid which I felt totally fried him or had him jaded at RG, playing the year end championship indoor craps at London when he could have been focused on trying to win AO.

Yeah, actually playing the tour is what kills these blokes chances. :snicker :hug

Don't be worrying about him brother, he'll be back...

 

[the AntiPusher]

^But that's not the way your original post read AP. Yeah, sure be disappointed with his performances this year - I guess most Nadal fans are... but you said his whole career was a complete waste IF Federer wins 18 majors... That's something else.

Remember the operatives words, For this Rafa fan, his career is a complete waste because he had ever opportunity to succeed but made some poor decisions e.g. by killing his knees and body in mindless master series battles encounters such as 2009 Madrid which I felt totally fried him or had him jaded at RG, playing the year end championship indoor craps at London when he could have been focused on trying to win AO.

Yeah, actually playing the tour is what kills these blokes chances. :snicker :hug

Don't be worrying about him brother, he'll be back...

Thanks Brother, I sure believe and hope so . U know whomever created this thread with the intent of baiting a Rafa bloke like me :laydownlaughing

 

[britbox]

I'd tip my hat of to you if you'd said his career was a complete waste when he was winning all those mindless masters battles at the time - not so much 6 years later when he's heading into the latter end of his career and the show has come off the rails. Anyway mate, throw him out with the trash by all means.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'd tip my hat of to you if you'd said his career was a complete waste when he was winning all those mindless masters battles at the time - not so much 6 years later when he's heading into the latter end of his career and the show has come off the rails. Anyway mate, throw him out with the trash by all means.

Give it a rest BB, I clearly stated my reasons, you can accept them or not ..It's all good , I will always be a Rafa fan regardless.

 

[DarthFed]

I don't "tolerate" Federer. I like him just fine so it's an easy choice. Would have been much more difficult if Rafa was closing in on the slam record but he's not going to catch Roger regardless so the old man might as well win another deserved Wimbledon and it would make a great story.

It would also stop Darth from spreading nonsense such as Fed hasn't done anything remarkable in his 30's so...win/win?

He has done a couple remarkable things, winning Wimbledon and getting back to #1 at age 31. I just have said that he's not playing at an unprecedented level in his 30's. Now if he wins tomorrow that might be different. I think Agassi and Connors won a couple in their 30's.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Sports fans are absurdly demanding and have such a baffling false sense of entitlement.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

If or when Roger captures number 18 for this Rafa fan it will be "game, set and match" and Rafa's whole career whould be a complete waste. Sunday's match results may be both Federer final coronation and Rafael's tennis funeral. So to answer this question , Djokovic is the lesser of these two "evils" for lack of a better word. Damn.

If you take away the $100million+in prize money and endorsements, 14 slams, an olympic gold and various other accolades then yeah, I'd agree. His career was a waste of time. No doubt he wishes he'd got a job working on a Mallorcan fishing trawler. At the same time, if Federer wins another slam on Sunday then the whole tour may as well retire. Great post AP.

Remember BB and all who "like BB's post" , the operative words I said for " this Rafa fan" his career would be a waste. It's the way I feel and there is no Damn other numeric logic you can post that can tell me I should be content with 2nd place. I am not built like that, sorry its the way I am.

AP, even though I am not in your camp, I fully agree with your sentiments, in view of the operative word "for this Rafa fan". As BB says, clearly Rafa's career is not a waste. But, that does not mean it cannot be a waste in your subjective mind.

p.s. See my signature

 

[Carol]

Every player goes through good and bad times and more when there are injuries in their way and later having to recovery their best game and confidence which is not so easy like the people thinks :cover
Not too long ego (two or three years?) I remember to hear and to read similar negative comments about Federer from his fans (and non fans) and look him now with almost 34 years old been the #2 and maybe winning the Wimbledon final (I say "maybe", don't get too exciting :snicker)
Not doubts that Rafa is going through his worst time of his career but like I've said hundred of times he is healthier than ever, he is taking now a very good vacations and soon back to work with more clear mind and ready for the competition. I'm sure he will do much better starting in HC season though he is going to play before a couple of tournament for better training lot

 

[I.Haychew]

So, let me get this straight...If Federer wins, which would give him 18 majors, then Folks' career is a waste. What if Federer loses, which would keep him at 17 majors?...Would Folks' career still be a waste? No matter what happens, Folks has 14 majors and Federer has 17, at worst. What makes the number 18 so special? 18 for Federer = Folks' career is a complete waste. 17 for Federer = Folks' career is NOT a complete waste. I don't get it.