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GameSetAndMath said:
Moxie629 said:
But speaking of ugly, I will call a fashion crime on Ferrer's shirt.

This is ATP. You might get more response to fashion talk in WTA forums. ;)
But, I cannot guarantee that as well as many of them are also serious about
tennis and don't pay attention to shirts.

Oh, we all like a little fashion side-bar, GSM. No harm, and no disruption.
 

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Moxie629 said:
Front242 said:
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It's still pretty ugly from Seppi. This is a guy who gave Djokovic hell at RG a while back, leading 2 sets to zip playing sublime so he has every ounce of ability to beat Ferrer.

God forbid it should be clean and bold from Ferrer. :cool:

Well if Seppi started actually playing to potential you'd likely see Ferrer firing balls at babies in the crowd and pushing all the linespeople :p

I call foul, for many reasons. You mentioned earlier Seppi having a great match over Djokovic some time back. But let's not pretend that Seppi is anything more than a middlingly-talented journeyman who occasionally challenges in the mid-stages of tournaments. You only fancy him because you dislike Ferrer's style of play. And calling out a couple, (and by which I mean two, exactly,) off-color moments from an otherwise very fair and quiet player is cheap. :cool:

Roby Koenig just said this was a masterclass match by Ferrer;)
 

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I like Robbie Koenig but that's hilarious. Seppi was projectile vomiting most of the match which may just have helped.
 

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herios said:
Moxie629 said:
Front242 said:
Moxie629 said:
Front242 said:
It's still pretty ugly from Seppi. This is a guy who gave Djokovic hell at RG a while back, leading 2 sets to zip playing sublime so he has every ounce of ability to beat Ferrer.

God forbid it should be clean and bold from Ferrer. :cool:

Well if Seppi started actually playing to potential you'd likely see Ferrer firing balls at babies in the crowd and pushing all the linespeople :p

I call foul, for many reasons. You mentioned earlier Seppi having a great match over Djokovic some time back. But let's not pretend that Seppi is anything more than a middlingly-talented journeyman who occasionally challenges in the mid-stages of tournaments. You only fancy him because you dislike Ferrer's style of play. And calling out a couple, (and by which I mean two, exactly,) off-color moments from an otherwise very fair and quiet player is cheap. :cool:

Roby Koenig just said this was a masterclass match by Ferrer;)

And I would agree. It's not the same tennis as Fed played today v. De Bakker, but similarly rock-solid.
 

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Front242 said:
I like Robbie Koenig but that's hilarious. Seppi was projectile vomiting most of the match which may just have helped.

That is a completely prejudiced view of that match. Seppi is 4th-tier at best and Ferrer has been top 3-5 for three years. If you had any appreciation for a type of tennis that you don't like but is also effective, you'd be able to see that the superior player won today…my friend. ;)
 

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Moxie629 said:
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I like Robbie Koenig but that's hilarious. Seppi was projectile vomiting most of the match which may just have helped.

That is a completely prejudiced view of that match. Seppi is 4th-tier at best and Ferrer has been top 3-5 for three years. If you had any appreciation for a type of tennis that you don't like but is also effective, you'd be able to see that the superior player won today…my friend. ;)

We're entitled to our opinions and I think most would agree Seppi was very poor today and the stats back it up. For the record, I don't think Federer played anything special either and this match was similar, they did what they had to do as the opponents were so poor. Of course the superior players won in both matches 'cos they played much cleaner matches, that's obvious. But what's equally obvious is Seppi and De Bakker hit tons of errors and just were plain bad.

To call that a masterclass performance by Ferrer is laughable and neither was it from Federer. They were workmanlike get the job done straightforward nothing special performances by each of the winners and very poor performances by the losers. There were literally tons of shots in both matches where they weren't caught off balance by sharp angled shots, etc and simply hit balls miles long or into the net and served very badly. None of those are forced and just come down to poor execution.
 

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Yes yes, maybe we will get to see Roger vs. Ferrer again :) It has been awhile...
 

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Front242 said:
Moxie629 said:
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I like Robbie Koenig but that's hilarious. Seppi was projectile vomiting most of the match which may just have helped.

That is a completely prejudiced view of that match. Seppi is 4th-tier at best and Ferrer has been top 3-5 for three years. If you had any appreciation for a type of tennis that you don't like but is also effective, you'd be able to see that the superior player won today…my friend. ;)

We're entitled to our opinions and I think most would agree Seppi was very poor today and the stats back it up. For the record, I don't think Federer played anything special either and this match was similar, they did what they had to do as the opponents were so poor. Of course the superior players won in both matches 'cos they played much cleaner matches, that's obvious. But what's equally obvious is Seppi and De Bakker hit tons of errors and just were plain bad.

To call that a masterclass performance by Ferrer is laughable and neither was it from Federer. They were workmanlike get the job done straightforward nothing special performances by each of the winners and very poor performances by the losers. There were literally tons of shots in both matches where they weren't caught off balance by sharp angled shots, etc and simply hit balls miles long or into the net and served very badly. None of those are forced and just come down to poor execution.

Yes, we are entitled to our opinions, and I do think both Federer and Ferrer were mostly just getting the job done against two journeymen. Though I would say that Roger pinged some stunners today. I would also say that De Bakker and Seppi couldn't do any better, given the quality of their opponents.
 

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^ That's the thing though, I don't think there was awe inspiring quality from Federer or Ferrer today save for a few shots here and there. Their opponents just plain sucked and elevating Fed and Ferrer's status to masterclass performance is just really taking the pi$$. They won and easily 'cos their opponents were crap today but they didn't play anything spectacular to win as they didn't need to. Again, they both hit a few great shots here and there but they didn't need to do much to win really when their opponents were both serving poorly and hitting balls long and into the net almost every point.
 

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And I'm sure Seppi and De Bakker could've done better. They wouldn't have won but they could both have served better and hit less shots wide or into the net. That alone would make the scores closer and the embarrassment levels lower and made it look less of a "masterclass". Robbie Koenig wtf :nono
 

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Front242 said:
And I'm sure Seppi and De Bakker could've done better. They wouldn't have won but they could both have served better and hit less shots wide or into the net. That alone would make the scores closer and the embarrassment levels lower and made it look less of a "masterclass". Robbie Koenig wtf :nono

While you where even-handed in the Fed-De Bakker match, (commendably,) you were pretty incensed that Seppi didn't do better against Ferrer. That's just style-prejudice…I think you can admit that. And as to how they performed: I'm pretty sure they would have served better, and hit fewer shots wide or into the net...if they hadn't been playing Federer and Ferrer.
 
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I'm just glad David won and I actually liked that shirt on him :D But I doubt there are very many men tennis players that could pull off wearing a shirt like that!
 

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I was at the day matches yesterday and aside from getting a hellacious sunburn, I got to see Murray and Fed up close. A couple of things that stood out to me were:

-Murray walks like his back isn't 100%. As someone who has a bad back I can recognize that familiar, grandfatherly, uncomfortable walk. It didn't seem like the back affected his play much but I suspect Murray isn't fully recovered, at least not mentally.

-Murray is a nightmare matchup for Deliciano. I'm not saying anything new here, but Lopez had no chance against Murray. He couldn't get any cheap points on his serve because of Andy's return, his forehand was neutralized by Andy's defense, and his backhand looked absolutely terrible and can't hold up in a rally. Murray doesn't have to play an overly aggressive game to beat Lopez and so never really seemed uncomfortable.

-Murray is a tremendous curmudgeon. Again, nothing new here but Andy is such a sourpuss on court. I was close enough to hear every utterance and most of what he's saying sounds like what would come out of a kid's mouth. At one point he said to himself, "Use your tactics!" to which someone in the crowd said "Yes, do your taxes!" Andy didn't seem to find that very amusing.

-People have been saying this for years, but Andy's backhand is a world class shot while his forehand isn't great. He hits his backhand so naturally; it's a naturally flat and offensive shot while he seems to hit his forehand with a lot of spin the vast majority of the time. The forehand isn't really a penetrating shot and he used it mostly to move Deliciano around, while the backhand looks effortless and powerful.

-Federer's forehand is a gift from the gods. Okay I know I'm just repeating something that's been said by everyone, but Federer's forehand is insane. I've seen Federer play live before but this was the first time I sat courtside and the best way I can describe is forehand is by saying it's like a whip. He generates ridiculous power and flat shots even when he's taking the ball early. His backhand looked a lot less natural unless he was hitting the slice which was a pretty shot. I actually don't know why he doesn't use the backhand slice more against everyone not named Nadal.

Edit: I almost forgot to mention how impressed I was by Andy's size. He's a solid 6' 2" and built like a tank. Also, Deliciano has some massive calves and looked incredibly fit. When he took off his shirt during a changeover someone (hilariously a man) yelled "guapo!"
 

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Super start for Milos today, 5-0 in the first set against GG Lopez
 

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Probably the best I have seen him ever play, it was a great display overall:
Raonic - GG Lopez 6-1, 6-2
:clap:clap:clap
 

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1972Murat said:
6-1, 6-2 is a great scoreline for Milos. He must have returned well today.

So you have not seen him? OK, here are some highlights:
Aces as many of his second serve as the first, they were spinning away from GGL;
Steadier than anytime before of his BH strokes, including 2 winners at least, one of them a DTL,
He put many more returns in play than usual,
5 volley winners of 10 approaches (he missed a few easy ones, so here there is room to get a lot better).
Overall I am pleased and more optimistic than ever before about his improvement (Thanks Ivan!)

Caveat: GG Lopez did not have his best day
 

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Dolgopolov down a break early in the first set to LL Lajovic 1-4.
Lajovic who just broke in the top 100 recently, is not a bad player I must say, strong serve and groundstrokes.
 

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Lajovic stays steady and serves out the first set 6-3