Kyrgios's problem: skill, not on-court attitude

[Ricardo]

Hey just own up to it, you are the one mentioning slut shaming in NK’s mentality. With regarding to Stockholm syndrome, you are definitely the one loving it knowing I own your butt. No way out for you, idiot.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Hey just own up to it, you are the one mentioning slut shaming in NK’s mentality. With regarding to Stockholm syndrome, you are definitely the one loving it knowing I own your butt. No way out for you, idiot.

You spend way too much time claiming you own someone than you do actually debating their points.

 

[calitennis127]

yet we're supposed to ignore how fucking annoying and distracting for the opponent it must be for Kyrgios to never shut the fuck up, have endless arguments with the umpire, the crowd, his box and himself at every fucking turn. Sorry, but give me someone who takes 30 seconds before serving any day of the week.

Lol.....I've been meaning to go back to this thread for a while. And posts like this are why. This is a good time to address them.

It's funny to see the self-designed anti-racist who made this post say this and then muh-muh-Moxie like it. Evidently no one is more annoyed by Kyrgios's on-court behavior than "Broken," which is ironic to say the least. Kyrgios's behavior would hardly stand out in the NBA or NFL, but it clearly clashes with the general culture of professional tennis. But like most white "leftists," Broken defends certain classes of people in the abstract while in real life and in practice not having any time for them.

Broken and Moxie are case in point. They consider themselves anti-racist but then they show their true colors when it comes to judging Kyrgios.

 

[Moxie]

Lol.....I've been meaning to go back to this thread for a while. And posts like this are why. This is a good time to address them.

It's funny to see the self-designed anti-racist who made this post say this and then muh-muh-Moxie like it. Evidently no one is more annoyed by Kyrgios's on-court behavior than "Broken," which is ironic to say the least. Kyrgios's behavior would hardly stand out in the NBA or NFL, but it clearly clashes with the general culture of professional tennis. But like most white "leftists," Broken defends certain classes of people in the abstract while in real life and in practice not having any time for them.

Broken and Moxie are case in point. They consider themselves anti-racist but then they show their true colors when it comes to judging Kyrgios.

It's pretty racist to even consider this is about racism. Nick is an Aussie. You love to make comparisons with NBA and NFL, but it's really apples and oranges in this case, as they are played in completely different atmospheres. Even tennis gets more raucous when it's in a team situation (Davis Cup, Fed Cup.) But in most regular season play, it is generally expected that the crowd and the opponent will refrain from distracting the players/each other. It's also in the rules. Tennis is mano-a-mano, where split-second decisions in strategy have to be made. Perhaps you like a circus atmosphere, but in my own opinion, it detracts from the best play. I'm not alone in this...there are plenty of people around here that don't care for it, and they don't need to be "lefties." Your need to put people in boxes, including Kyrgios, says more about you than it furthers the discussion.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Lol.....I've been meaning to go back to this thread for a while. And posts like this are why. This is a good time to address them.

It's funny to see the self-designed anti-racist who made this post say this and then muh-muh-Moxie like it. Evidently no one is more annoyed by Kyrgios's on-court behavior than "Broken," which is ironic to say the least. Kyrgios's behavior would hardly stand out in the NBA or NFL, but it clearly clashes with the general culture of professional tennis. But like most white "leftists," Broken defends certain classes of people in the abstract while in real life and in practice not having any time for them.

Broken and Moxie are case in point. They consider themselves anti-racist but then they show their true colors when it comes to judging Kyrgios.

Hey, you fucking idiot, I said it must be annoying for the opponent, which it is, as they've complained about him before and it doesn't take a genius to see that many can be visibly annoyed but the experienced players try to not let it affect them. Personally I don't give a shit about a jabroni who can't make it past the 2nd round of a major, as I don't even have to watch him. And yeah, of course his behavior wouldn't stand out that much in the NBA, but perhaps you should look up what "non sequitur" means as this has nothing to do with anything. The whole argument was about whether Kyrgios' act is distracting for the opponent. The fact that it wouldn't stand out in a different sport with different rules and a different culture means absolutely jack shit...but then again, so is your huge stretch when you make this about race.

2 months in the making and this is the shit you come up with?

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Hey, you fucking idiot, I said it must be annoying for the opponent, which it is, as they've complained about him before and it doesn't take a genius to see that many can be visibly annoyed but the experienced players try to not let it affect them. Personally I don't give a shit about a jabroni who can't make it past the 2nd round of a major, as I don't even have to watch him. And yeah, of course his behavior wouldn't stand out that much in the NBA, but perhaps you should look up what "non sequitur" means as this has nothing to do with anything. The whole argument was about whether Kyrgios' act is distracting for the opponent. The fact that it wouldn't stand out in a different sport with different rules and a different culture means absolutely jack shit...but then again, so is your huge stretch when you make this about race.

2 months in the making and this is the shit you come up with?

calitennis127 is unable to come up with any on topic "shit", no matter how much time you give him. His logic is screwed beyond any repair: he knows nothing about logical fallacies, his brain does not accept any information that does not conform to his opinion, he does not comprehend that world at large is more complex than the capacity of his brain, he does not distinguish the facts from the opinions and he's a stubborn narcissist. No amount of teaching can change the poor state of his brain. Maybe some serious psycho-intervention would help him, but we are not in the position to assess that. I gave up talking to him long time ago.
I enjoy the entertaining quality of your assessment of calitennis127 and how you explain the schism between the reality & the image of it in his brain. But of course your entertaining talk won't help him: the backfire effect in his brain is too strong. All we can expect is that he will continue to deny the reality, thinking hard for another 2 months how to justify his opinion, eventually coming up with another non-sequitur argument.

 

[calitennis127]

Hey, you fucking idiot,

Hey, watch the language. You're acting like Kyrgios. Aren't you better than that? Remember what Steve Kerr said: Trump opponents, such as his technical foul-incurring team, demonstrate superior civility. So raise your level.

I said it must be annoying for the opponent, which it is, as they've complained about him before and it doesn't take a genius to see that many can be visibly annoyed but the experienced players try to not let it affect them.

Lol....it sounds like you're pretty annoyed by it too just watching it. But, more significantly, I think you are deeply exaggerating how often this happens and how bothersome it really is. Yes, there have been some spectacle-like moments with Kyrgios that have stood out, but for the most part no one is "affected" by it in any meaningful way. They may get annoyed for a few minutes but in the grand scheme of things who cares? It really doesn't impact anything significant.

Usually, from what I have seen, if anything Kyrgios's opponents feed off of his outbursts and feel like they are getting an edge over him. Look at Rublev at the US Open. Was he really "affected" in a negative way by Kyrgios running his mouth a few times? To the contrary, he seemed to benefit from it.

Personally I don't give a shit about a jabroni who can't make it past the 2nd round of a major, as I don't even have to watch him.

Don't be so meritocratic. Didn't you know that those Americans of good will who vote Democrat in Seattle (and who you say you identify with) are now calling math itself a "racist" construct? You should stop being so heartless.

In all seriousness though, Kyrgios did beat your boy Nadal at Wimbledon and he does have unique firepower and athleticism and a compelling persona. For those reasons he is often discussed.

And yeah, of course his behavior wouldn't stand out that much in the NBA, but perhaps you should look up what "non sequitur" means as this has nothing to do with anything.

Oh yeah, sure. As though the threads on this board that go over 100 posts never go on a tangent. I guess I'm the first one to have ever veered off slightly.

But wait.....by your own standard, you just engaged in a non sequitur because I started this thread about what Kyrgios's problems were for himself, yet you and others made it about whether his opponents find it annoying. So should I accuse you of getting off topic too? Lol.

New rule for the board: never, ever, in a thread of over 200 posts veer even slightly off topic at all. Just keep it straight and narrow on the original post the whole time.

The whole argument was about whether Kyrgios' act is distracting for the opponent.

One of the side arguments became about that. But like I just said, how many long threads on this board stay on one topic or the original topic the entire time? That is a ridiculous standard.

The fact that it wouldn't stand out in a different sport with different rules and a different culture means absolutely jack shit...but then again, so is your huge stretch when you make this about race.

Sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth now.....first you are conceding that the NBA does indeed have a totally different culture, but then you are saying that it's a stretch to make this about race. You're not being consistent at all.

But, allow me to ask, if it is a stretch for me to make this about race, then was it also a stretch for the sacred New York Times to make Serena's persona all about race with its 2015 write-up?

"There is a belief among some African-Americans that to defeat racism, they have to work harder, be smarter, be better. Only after they give 150 percent will white Americans recognize black excellence for what it is. But of course, once recognized, black excellence is then supposed to perform with good manners and forgiveness in the face of any racist slights or attacks. Black excellence is not supposed to be emotional as it pulls itself together to win after questionable calls. And in winning, it’s not supposed to swagger, to leap and pump its fist, to state boldly, in the words of Kanye West, ‘‘That’s what it is, black excellence, baby.’’"

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-meaning-of-serena-williams.html

You see that Broken? According to the New York Times, those objections you have toward Kyrgios are racist. Just read the bold font above.

2 months in the making and this is the shit you come up with?

I came up with a lot more early in the thread but the point I am making about you and Moxie is extremely salient to the overall perception of Kyrgios. You may find it uncomfortable but the culture clash of him being on the ATP tour is, to put it mildly, quite apparent.