Is Nadal still undefeated in GS when not injured?

[Front242]

You're not asking a question, because you're obviously not interested in any answer that isn't yours. What is the thesis that you're trying to present, then, so we may debate something. If you created a whole thread to cast aspersions, thats trolling.

The thesis I'm trying to present is that Nadal only loses in a GS when
A. He is injured.
B. He is carrying some form of injury
C. He is less than 100%

This is what Nadal's camp and fans would lead us to believe.

These would lead us to conclude that Nadal at 100% is unbeatable and therefore still undefeated in GSs when 100% fit.

Many Nadal fans, yes, but not all. I don't think any Nadal fans on this board really blamed the Wimbledon 2011 or Us Open 2011 losses to Djokovic as anything other than straight up defeats actually.

 

[Moxie]

You're not asking a question, because you're obviously not interested in any answer that isn't yours. What is the thesis that you're trying to present, then, so we may debate something. If you created a whole thread to cast aspersions, thats trolling.

The thesis I'm trying to present is that Nadal only loses in a GS when
A. He is injured.
B. He is carrying some form of injury
C. He is less than 100%

This is what Nadal's camp and fans would lead us to believe.

These would lead us to conclude that Nadal at 100% is unbeatable and therefore still undefeated in GSs when 100% fit.

Are you offering this for debate? It's not a very interesting debate topic. I'll respond, "that isn't so," and you'll fire back a pithy, "yes, it is."

 

[Kieran]

You're not asking a question, because you're obviously not interested in any answer that isn't yours. What is the thesis that you're trying to present, then, so we may debate something. If you created a whole thread to cast aspersions, thats trolling.

The thesis I'm trying to present is that Nadal only loses in a GS when
A. He is injured.
B. He is carrying some form of injury
C. He is less than 100%

This is what Nadal's camp and fans would lead us to believe.

These would lead us to conclude that Nadal at 100% is unbeatable and therefore still undefeated in GSs when 100% fit.

Many Nadal fans, yes, but not all. I don't think any Nadal fans on this board really blamed the Wimbledon 2011 or Us Open 2011 losses to Djokovic as anything other than straight up defeats actually.

You're danged right! This whole "excuse" topic is one that's become a sort of received wisdom, repeated so often that it's accepted as fact. It's been argued long before, so now it's pointless - especially as we seem to be throwing breadcrumbs to the troll...

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

You're not asking a question, because you're obviously not interested in any answer that isn't yours. What is the thesis that you're trying to present, then, so we may debate something. If you created a whole thread to cast aspersions, thats trolling.

The thesis I'm trying to present is that Nadal only loses in a GS when
A. He is injured.
B. He is carrying some form of injury
C. He is less than 100%

This is what Nadal's camp and fans would lead us to believe.

These would lead us to conclude that Nadal at 100% is unbeatable and therefore still undefeated in GSs when 100% fit.

Nadal's camp aside, who do you know, in this forum, that is a Nadal fan that says what you are claiming? Name names. If not, maybe the Nadal fans that you are talking about are not here in this forum, and maybe this thread is really suited for some of the other forums you might frequent.

 

[Front242]

Yup. Most of the Nadal fans here would dismiss much of that list as this...

 

[Federberg]

hahaha! Front that's some major projectile vomit there. Poor lass! There for all to see for eternity!

 

[StantheMan]

You're not asking a question, because you're obviously not interested in any answer that isn't yours. What is the thesis that you're trying to present, then, so we may debate something. If you created a whole thread to cast aspersions, thats trolling.

The thesis I'm trying to present is that Nadal only loses in a GS when
A. He is injured.
B. He is carrying some form of injury
C. He is less than 100%

This is what Nadal's camp and fans would lead us to believe.

These would lead us to conclude that Nadal at 100% is unbeatable and therefore still undefeated in GSs when 100% fit.

Nadal's camp aside, who do you know, in this forum, that is a Nadal fan that says what you are claiming? Name names. If not, maybe the Nadal fans that you are talking about are not here in this forum, and maybe this thread is really suited for some of the other forums you might frequent.

It is not my style to "out" and embarrass other posters but all you have to do is to read some of the other threads here in this forum and you will see the excuses after Da Man's win. Remember I'm Swiss and therefore very polite.

 

[Kieran]

Remember I'm Swiss and therefore very polite.

Oh, if you wish to reduce yourself to a Swiss stereotype, that can work against you too...

 

[Moxie]

It doesn't seem that 'polite' was the original objective of this thread, though I'm not yet sure you've made clear what it is: To call out and discuss Nadal's injury issues? To discuss the etiquette of when/how to bring up injuries? Or merely to call out Nadal and his fans as excuse-makers?

 

[Front242]

Probably not even 1/1000th as much.

 

[StantheMan]

It doesn't seem that 'polite' was the original objective of this thread, though I'm not yet sure you've made clear what it is: To call out and discuss Nadal's injury issues? To discuss the etiquette of when/how to bring up injuries? Or merely to call out Nadal and his fans as excuse-makers?

The purpose of this thread is to discuss if it is really true that Nadal is the only player to be undefeated in GS when playing at 100% or not nursing any injuries? I don't know why all the Nadal fans are coming out of the woodwork, getting all their panties tied up in a knot, or should I say their underwear all tied up in a knot.

 

[TsarMatt]

AO 2012.

He went on for over six hours, gave it his all, and just fell short. Everyone knew he was not injured during that match.

I guess that answers your question.

 

[StantheMan]

AO 2012.

He went on for over six hours, gave it his all, and just fell short. Everyone knew he was not injured during that match.

I guess that answers your question.

Unfortunately you are incorrect. Rafael was nursing a knee injury through out AO 2012 and suffering from excessive pain he claims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/australianopen/9017525/Australian-Open-2012-Rafael-Nadal-hit-by-excessive-knee-pain-on-eve-of-grand-slam-but-strolls-into-second-round.html


Also suffering from a pinched tendon on his right knee.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/jan/28/novak-djokovic-rafael-nadal-australian-open

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss if it is really true that Nadal is the only player to be undefeated in GS when playing at 100% or not nursing any injuries? I don't know why all the Nadal fans are coming out of the woodwork, getting all their panties tied up in a knot, or should I say their underwear all tied up in a knot.

Ok, so who is claiming that?:huh:

 

[TsarMatt]

AO 2012.

He went on for over six hours, gave it his all, and just fell short. Everyone knew he was not injured during that match.

I guess that answers your question.

Unfortunately you are incorrect. Rafael was nursing a knee injury through out AO 2012 and suffering from excessive pain he claims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/australianopen/9017525/Australian-Open-2012-Rafael-Nadal-hit-by-excessive-knee-pain-on-eve-of-grand-slam-but-strolls-into-second-round.html


Also suffering from a pinched tendon on his right knee.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/jan/28/novak-djokovic-rafael-nadal-australian-open

I severely doubt his knee was troubling him much at all during that match. If it did, he is a master of discreetness because he was moving and playing phenomenally well.

 

[Moxie]

AO 2012.

He went on for over six hours, gave it his all, and just fell short. Everyone knew he was not injured during that match.

I guess that answers your question.

Unfortunately you are incorrect. Rafael was nursing a knee injury through out AO 2012 and suffering from excessive pain he claims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/australianopen/9017525/Australian-Open-2012-Rafael-Nadal-hit-by-excessive-knee-pain-on-eve-of-grand-slam-but-strolls-into-second-round.html


Also suffering from a pinched tendon on his right knee.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/jan/28/novak-djokovic-rafael-nadal-australian-open

You're certainly proving that there would never be any correct answer but yours, in your 'humble' opinion.

 

[Front242]

 

[StantheMan]

:clap

Haha good one. I had the same feeling when Nadal took the injury timeout against DaMan.

 

[Front242]

Well admittedly so did I but unlike MTOs of the past this one was different as it's the first time I can honestly say you could clearly see Nadal wasn't able to move properly afterwards so it was hardly tactical. You think he serves 70mph for fun and purposely leaves balls fly past him that he'd normally go for?

 

[Moxie]

^But that MTO came too early to be merely an excuse. I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Nadal has suffered injuries, but he has also won 13 majors. And 26 MS 1000s. By any estimation, he's a world class player. He suffers injuries maybe more that the other top 4, but not so many as to prevent him from beating the field. Are we to forget all the retirements from Djokovic? And the periods when we were asked to remember Federer's mono, or back issues? Not to mention all the times that top guys like Tsonga, Monfils, and Del Potro were absent with injury issues. Injury is part of sport. Many have been felled by it. You seem to want to make an issue of Nadal having injuries when he didn't win. But what does that tell us? He's also been healthy enough to win a lot. It seems a puny effort, to me, at diminishing a legacy.