Is Djokovic a threat to Federer's 17?

[Tennis Fan]

So he says he went in injured. I don't think it was the best choice to disclose that. Everyone watching that match saw Rafa's back hitch up early in the 2nd set. Because, saying he was already injured, it would put in doubt what Stan was doing, even before the obvious injury? I don't think he did need to offer that up, and I thought it was inelegant, at best. I'm sure he knows that he gets criticized for injury excuses. He could have avoided further derision by letting it be what was visible to all and leaving it at that.

No, he didn't say that Moxie. In the article that Carol posted this is what Rafa said:

"Nadal, who was still distraught and fighting back tears as his press conference started, said he first felt a twinge during the warm-up, and the problem gradually got worse. "

He didn't disclose it, it was on match day that many of us noticed the injury.

He gets criticized for everything that he does anyway. I would think he wouldn't care about the laments of disgruntled fans at this point.

 

[Moxie]

No, he didn't say that Moxie. In the article that Carol posted this is what Rafa said:

"Nadal, who was still distraught and fighting back tears as his press conference started, said he first felt a twinge during the warm-up, and the problem gradually got worse. "

He didn't disclose it, it was on match day that many of us noticed the injury.

He gets criticized for everything that he does anyway. I would think he wouldn't care about the laments of disgruntled fans at this point.

He disclosed it after, which was my point. And it's not disgruntled fans that are the problem. I'm not one, and I don't think he has any. (OK, maybe Clay Death.) It's the detractors, who say he always finds an injury excuse for a loss. Whether he was injured before or during doesn't change the outcome. It only changes the perception of how he handled it. I'm saying he could have kept it to himself. In whatever case, I'm as heartbroken for him as anyone that he couldn't compete in that match. That's what he hates...not being able to compete properly.

 

[Tennis Fan]

He disclosed it after, which was my point. And it's not disgruntled fans that are the problem. I'm not one, and I don't think he has any. (OK, maybe Clay Death.) It's the detractors, who say he always finds an injury excuse for a loss. Whether he was injured before or during doesn't change the outcome. It only changes the perception of how he handled it. I'm saying he could have kept it to himself. In whatever case, I'm as heartbroken for him as anyone that he couldn't compete in that match. That's what he hates...not being able to compete properly.

I thought your point was that he had back injuries leading up to the Oz Open, and he disclosed it the day before the final, which wasn't factual. Even the journalists knew that he was injured during that match and the commentators mentioned it during the match several times. So how was he being "tacky" about an obvious injury that was visible to the naked eye?

So, in the press conference what should he have done? I don't know any players who don't mention their injuries; that's why we know that Federer has knee injuries, Djokovic had wrist injuries and Murray had back issues. But Rafa isn't supposed to mention what most of us already knew? .

This is what you said:

I thought I remembered that he was having back issues before the day-of.

And this:

And, apparently the back was an issue for much of the year.

 

[Moxie]

My point was saying it after, which I think I was clear about. If you don't get why that's a PR problem for him, I can't explain it to you. I think we've both been watching Rafa long enough to know how much it matters when and how he discloses injury issues. Detractors have be crying "excuse!" for ever. It doesn't matter when it happened, because nothing changes. But it might have been better to let it be what everyone saw, and keep the rest to himself. I'm sure you can see why that might be so.

 

[Tennis Fan]

My point was saying it after, which I think I was clear about. If you don't get why that's a PR problem for him, I can't explain it to you. I think we've both been watching Rafa long enough to know how much it matters when and how he discloses injury issues. Detractors have be crying "excuse!" for ever. It doesn't matter when it happened, because nothing changes. But it might have been better to let it be what everyone saw, and keep the rest to himself. I'm sure you can see why that might be so.

Not a big deal.

 

[Mastoor]

I read some Serbian fans who had toenail problem in past and they say it is bare minimum 3 weeks out and maybe even ongoing problem too in which case that's it with No1e's tennis. Right now his #1 is in question because he will have to defend many points in China and he won't be ready by then.

 

[Tennis Fan]

I read some Serbian fans who had toenail problem in past and they say it is bare minimum 3 weeks out and maybe even ongoing problem too in which case that's it with No1e's tennis. Right now his #1 is in question because he will have to defend many points in China and he won't be ready by then.

LOL!

 

[Moxie]

I read some Serbian fans who had toenail problem in past and they say it is bare minimum 3 weeks out and maybe even ongoing problem too in which case that's it with No1e's tennis. Right now his #1 is in question because he will have to defend many points in China and he won't be ready by then.

To me, that's BS. If the toenail is a problem, you can take it off. It grows back. Or it falls off, then it grows back. I've had both things. They're pretty simple to alleviate. A toenail is a dead thing. It's not an injury. Athletes need to keep the toenails short to prevent jamming, which can bruise the nail bed and is painful, because it fills up with blood under the nail, and has nowhere to go, so it's the pressure that's painful. But, in my experience, you can run with it, and it just hurts a lot after you stop. Probably different in tennis, when you keep jamming it. In any case, you put a sterilized needle under the nail, relieve the pressure, and the pain is gone. Sometimes the nail will reattach, but usually it falls off, down the road. But it's a nice band-aid over the nail bed, in the meantime. If it's an ingrown toenail, then shame on his team for not taking care of it sooner.

 

[Mastoor]

From what they say it hurts like hell when your toenail falls off. There is flash under your toenail with all the nerves exposed when the nail falls off. What those people wrote sounded true.

 

[Mary]

To me, that's BS. If the toenail is a problem, you can take it off. It grows back. Or it falls off, then it grows back. I've had both things. They're pretty simple to alleviate. A toenail is a dead thing. It's not an injury. Athletes need to keep the toenails short to prevent jamming, which can bruise the nail bed and is painful, because it fills up with blood under the nail, and has nowhere to go, so it's the pressure that's painful. But, in my experience, you can run with it, and it just hurts a lot after you stop. Probably different in tennis, when you keep jamming it. In any case, you put a sterilized needle under the nail, relieve the pressure, and the pain is gone. Sometimes the nail will reattach, but usually it falls off, down the road. But it's a nice band-aid over the nail bed, in the meantime. If it's an ingrown toenail, then shame on his team for not taking care of it sooner.

You have been lucky. My partner had a big toenail removed 25 years ago and has had painful problems ever since. Infection in the site can lead to gangrene and amputation. It's a potentially serious condition. It's not the nail that's the problem, its whatever is beneath it and in the feet the bones don't have much protection.

 

[Moxie]

From what they say it hurts like hell when your toenail falls off. There is flash under your toenail with all the nerves exposed when the nail falls off. What those people wrote sounded true.

It hurts, as I've said. The important thing is to keep the nail on as protection. If the nail came off with a completely exposed, unhealed nail bed, that would be an issue. If you had a nail that was partially dead, as I once did, and you kept working out on it, it could rip the rest off, which would surely be painful. I had a partially dead nail once, before a marathon, and the podiatrist cut the dead part off. He told me if I'd tried to run with it as it was, it would have torn away from the fleshy tissue. THAT would hurt, for sure. He said I wouldn't have finished my marathon. But I saw the CU of Novak's toe. It didn't look like a dead nail, or even a blister. I'm not sure what his complaint is, specifically.

 

[Moxie]

You have been lucky. My partner had a big toenail removed 25 years ago and has had painful problems ever since. Infection in the site can lead to gangrene and amputation. It's a potentially serious condition. It's not the nail that's the problem, its whatever is beneath it and in the feet the bones don't have much protection.

I'm sorry for your partner's problems, but I don't think that's common. And I can't believe that a world-class athlete with a full team would have similar ones. In distance running, toe nail problems are common, and are often self-solved. I've lost at least 5 toenails at various times, and I only saw a podiatrist once. I think the dire consequences you're talking about come from either extreme issues, or untreated ones. Djokovic has a full team, and I don't think he's going to suffer with this for long.

 

[Tennis Fan]

I'm sorry for your partner's problems, but I don't think that's common. And I can't believe that a world-class athlete with a full team would have similar ones. In distance running, toe nail problems are common, and are often self-solved. I've lost at least 5 toenails at various times, and I only saw a podiatrist once. I think the dire consequences you're talking about come from either extreme issues, or untreated ones. Djokovic has a full team, and I don't think he's going to suffer with this for long.

That is so odd. I have never heard of someone losing so many toenails. Is it related to running marathons? That is bizarre.

 

[britbox]

I'm sorry for your partner's problems, but I don't think that's common. And I can't believe that a world-class athlete with a full team would have similar ones. In distance running, toe nail problems are common, and are often self-solved. I've lost at least 5 toenails at various times, and I only saw a podiatrist once. I think the dire consequences you're talking about come from either extreme issues, or untreated ones. Djokovic has a full team, and I don't think he's going to suffer with this for long.

How many toes have you got ?

 

[masterclass]

The first question one should ask is if Novak is a threat to Pete's (and Rafael's) 14.
To surpass that is a monumental task in itself.

Respectfully,
masterclass

 

[Carol]

Years ego swimming in one area very rocky I did hit with one of my feet to a rock and I lost the nail of my big toe. I remember it hurt like hell and bleeding all over, I went to a Hospital, they put my foot into a liquid solution and later an antibiotic ointment which I had to apply for several days and cover with a bandage . The first days was painful but after one week not anymore though I couldn't use a close shoes for one more week, just sandals. Of course the new nail took very long time to grow back but it wasn't something that I couldn't do exercises, or running or whatever. I can say it was bad just the two first weeks, not longer like that
Anyway I think to remove a wisdom teeth is worse than a nail and I don't understand why some people are giving so much importance to something (the marathoners have a lot of problems with that) minor and nothing compering with a bad injury/surgery

 

[Carol]

The first question one should ask is if Novak is a threat to Pete's (and Rafael's) 14.
To surpass that is a monumental task in itself.

Respectfully,
masterclass

To surpass Rafa is going to be difficult but surpass Federer I'd say impossible

 

[Mastoor]

Seems nothing much wrong with Nole's nail. On Thursday, we will have exhibition in Milano, Italy

Djokovic vs Nadal

 

[brokenshoelace]

Novak's toe nail healing quick enough to play in an exhibition is nothing short of a miracle. And I don't use that term lightly.

 

[Mary]

Novak's toe nail healing quick enough to play in an exhibition is nothing short of a miracle. And I don't use that term lightly.

I hope it is healed and that he is truly fit enough to play. He has max points to save to the end of the season. I really hope he can hang on to no 1spot.