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DarthFed said:
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Moxie629 said:
It really just can't be about the money. If he was going to be in Dubai, anyway, and then makes a side-trip to India for PR purposes, and takes some $6-8Mil, then I get it.

This all happens before the Davis Cup right? If Switzerland loses out, I hope he won't start crying, because I'll just laugh at him. I will have no pity at all :mad:

circus is after DC

Ah! Ok. That's a bit different then. Thanks. But we can write off his chances of winning in Australia. I might just pop into the bookies and put some money on Rafa. Nice hedge!

I know they are probably throwing ridiculous money at him but I'm still surprised he'd bite. Roger will be getting close to a million per exhibition for 20 years to come well after he is retired. I would think his focus should be on beefing up that resume and adding 1 or 2 more slams instead of just going after an easy money grab that could tire him out for 2015.

Totally agree. The only possible justification is that he's helping out Mahesh (i.e., a mate). The loot will compensate him for possibly blowing any chances of a slam next year. Still it's a bit vulgar..
 

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federberg said:
DarthFed said:
federberg said:
GameSetAndMath said:
federberg said:
This all happens before the Davis Cup right? If Switzerland loses out, I hope he won't start crying, because I'll just laugh at him. I will have no pity at all :mad:

circus is after DC

Ah! Ok. That's a bit different then. Thanks. But we can write off his chances of winning in Australia. I might just pop into the bookies and put some money on Rafa. Nice hedge!

I know they are probably throwing ridiculous money at him but I'm still surprised he'd bite. Roger will be getting close to a million per exhibition for 20 years to come well after he is retired. I would think his focus should be on beefing up that resume and adding 1 or 2 more slams instead of just going after an easy money grab that could tire him out for 2015.

Totally agree. The only possible justification is that he's helping out Mahesh (i.e., a mate). The loot will compensate him for possibly blowing any chances of a slam next year. Still it's a bit vulgar..

He needs GS's more than ever. 17 is amazing now but you need to see the future and there could come a time very soon where it's not so awesome. 2013 and 2014 ended up being throwaway years (unless he somehow gets #1 this Fall). And naturally at his age he doesn't have a lot of realistic opportunities left.
 

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I don't think Mahesh and Fed are so much of friends that Fed is helping him out. Fed is
just being opportunistic, that's all.

But, actually I think it may not hurt him badly assuming he limits participation to
India and Dubai venues only. I think this is highly likely as that is what Rafa was planning
to do as well and Roger is substituting for Rafa.

Roger is definitley not playing in Philipines as it is impossible. Davis Cup finals is
in France from Nov 21 to 23 and Philipines leg of circus is from Nov. 23 to 25. So,
even if Fed can go there, he will be able to play there only one day and so he
will definitely not play there.

While I have not received any information from official sources, I believe Roger
will Singapore also.

Roger will play in India from Dec. 6 to 8 and Dubai from 11 to 13. I think that
is about for somehwhere between 6 and 9 million bucks. As noted before, he
stays in Dubai and trains there and so it cannot even be called unnecessar travel.
So, I don't think it will badly hurt his chances at AO, although he will be under
the influence to some extent.
 

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However, I think in view of IPTL Roger would probably even give up trying for year end
#1 now.

I think there is 99.99999% chance that he will not add Beijing/Tokyo to his schedule
in view of this (after all it was not in his original schedule published at the beginning of
the year and maintained in his home page).

I think there is at least 60% chance that he will skip Shanghai also now. What is
the point of travelling all the way over there just for one week, especially when you
have given up on YE #1 and are going to make 9 million bucks when you travel to
India.

He would just play Basel and Bercy as prep for WTF and then play in DC followed
by the clown act in circus.
 

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You made me curious to look this up as a schedule for Roger. This is what it could look like after Paris:

9-16 Nov: WTF - London

21-23 Nov: DC Finals - Lille

(2-4 Dec: IPTL - Singapore) - that's speculation, though, right?

6-8 Dec: IPTL - India

11-13 Dec: IPTL - Dubai

21 Dec: Exhibition for his Africa charity with Wawrinka - Zurich

From there, I guess it depends on where he opens his 2015. (Brisbane starts 4 Jan next year.) Only the WTF and DC will be pressured. But it's a lot of travel before going to the Southern Hemisphere.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
However, I think in view of IPTL Roger would probably even give up trying for year end
#1 now.

I think there is 99.99999% chance that he will not add Beijing/Tokyo to his schedule
in view of this (after all it was not in his original schedule published at the beginning of
the year and maintained in his home page).

I think there is at least 60% chance that he will skip Shanghai also now. What is
the point of travelling all the way over there just for one week, especially when you
have given up on YE #1 and are going to make 9 million bucks when you travel to
India.

He would just play Basel and Bercy as prep for WTF and then play in DC followed
by the clown act in circus.

If he does as you suggest, and skips the entire Asian swing, then his post-WTF schedule might not be so crazy.
 

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Moxie629 said:
You made me curious to look this up as a schedule for Roger. This is what it could look like after Paris:

9-16 Nov: WTF - London

21-23 Nov: DC Finals - Lille

(2-4 Dec: IPTL - Singapore) - that's speculation, though, right?

6-8 Dec: IPTL - India

11-13 Dec: IPTL - Dubai

21 Dec: Exhibition for his Africa charity with Wawrinka - Zurich

From there, I guess it depends on where he opens his 2015. (Brisbane starts 4 Jan next year.) Only the WTF and DC will be pressured. But it's a lot of travel before going to the Southern Hemisphere.

Roger has already disclosed that he is beginning his 2015 campaign at Brisbane, Australia.
The Suncorp Brisbane International Tourney starts on 5th January 2015.
 

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^ So, if he doesn't feel precious about his Christmas, then he has just about enough time to get to Australia and get acclimated.
 

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Moxie629 said:
^ So, if he doesn't feel precious about his Christmas, then he has just about enough time to get to Australia and get acclimated.

Most probably, after the DC he will be based out of Dubai doing the training and
participating in circus (including a side trip to India).

Then he will travel to Switzerland and play the exo with Stan on 21st. He will
then take about 10 days off to celebrate Christmas and New Year with his family
in Switzerland and then head to Brisbane on 2nd or so (to be ready for the tourney
starting on 5th over there).
 

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Sorry Moxie and others. I messed up the IPTL dates. Here are the correct dates.

Philipines ---- Nov. 28 to 30.
Singapore --- Dec. 2 to 4.
India ---- Dec. 6 to 8.
UAE ---- Dec. 11 to 13.

The DC finals are from Nov. 21 to 23. So, if Roger really wanted to self destruct,
he could play in all four venues, it is physically possible even though it would be
way too stupid.

Hopefully, Roger won't be that stupid and confine himself to India, UAE and
his lone match for Africa against Stan.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Moxie629 said:
^ So, if he doesn't feel precious about his Christmas, then he has just about enough time to get to Australia and get acclimated.

Most probably, after the DC he will be based out of Dubai doing the training and
participating in circus (including a side trip to India).

Then he will travel to Switzerland and play the exo with Stan on 21st. He will
then take about 10 days off to celebrate Christmas and New Year with his family
in Switzerland and then head to Brisbane on 2nd or so (to be ready for the tourney
starting on 5th over there).

Traveling to Brisbane on the 2nd is a recipe for disaster. That's a 3-day jet-lag. (Trust me.)

GameSetAndMath said:
Sorry Moxie and others. I messed up the IPTL dates. Here are the correct dates.

Philipines ---- Nov. 28 to 30.
Singapore --- Dec. 2 to 4.
India ---- Dec. 6 to 8.
UAE ---- Dec. 11 to 13.

The DC finals are from Nov. 21 to 23. So, if Roger really wanted to self destruct,
he could play in all four venues, it is physically possible even though it would be
way too stupid.

Hopefully, Roger won't be that stupid and confine himself to India, UAE and
his lone match for Africa against Stan.

I saw the dates. I'm pretty sure he's too smart to play Phillapines and Singapore, especially if he skips the Asian swing for "real" tennis. And I doubt they'd be punitive enough to make him.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
However, I think in view of IPTL Roger would probably even give up trying for year end
#1 now.

I think there is 99.99999% chance that he will not add Beijing/Tokyo to his schedule
in view of this (after all it was not in his original schedule published at the beginning of
the year and maintained in his home page).

I think there is at least 60% chance that he will skip Shanghai also now. What is
the point of travelling all the way over there just for one week, especially when you
have given up on YE #1 and are going to make 9 million bucks when you travel to
India.

He would just play Basel and Bercy as prep for WTF and then play in DC followed
by the clown act in circus.

Even if getting a chance at #1 doesn't happen he of course is aware how important it would be to secure a top 2 position for as long as possible since that means he has a 50% chance of not having Nadal or Djokovic in his half. I doubt he skips Shanghai. It's Paris that I think he will miss as it'd be too much tennis heading into DC.
 

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Moxie629 said:
GameSetAndMath said:
Moxie629 said:
^ So, if he doesn't feel precious about his Christmas, then he has just about enough time to get to Australia and get acclimated.

Most probably, after the DC he will be based out of Dubai doing the training and
participating in circus (including a side trip to India).

Then he will travel to Switzerland and play the exo with Stan on 21st. He will
then take about 10 days off to celebrate Christmas and New Year with his family
in Switzerland and then head to Brisbane on 2nd or so (to be ready for the tourney
starting on 5th over there).

Traveling to Brisbane on the 2nd is a recipe for disaster. That's a 3-day jet-lag. (Trust me.)

Yes, there is a heavy jet lag. But, it is still possible to leave on 2nd. It is because
the tourney starts only on Monday, the 5th of January. Moreover, Roger has a first
round bye in that tourney and so he will not have to play until Wednesday, the 7th.
Actually, if he wanted he could even start on Thursday, the 8th (as wednesday
and thursday are the scheduled days for the second round).
 

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DarthFed said:
GameSetAndMath said:
However, I think in view of IPTL Roger would probably even give up trying for year end
#1 now.

I think there is 99.99999% chance that he will not add Beijing/Tokyo to his schedule
in view of this (after all it was not in his original schedule published at the beginning of
the year and maintained in his home page).

I think there is at least 60% chance that he will skip Shanghai also now. What is
the point of travelling all the way over there just for one week, especially when you
have given up on YE #1 and are going to make 9 million bucks when you travel to
India.

He would just play Basel and Bercy as prep for WTF and then play in DC followed
by the clown act in circus.

Even if getting a chance at #1 doesn't happen he of course is aware how important it would be to secure a top 2 position for as long as possible since that means he has a 50% chance of not having Nadal or Djokovic in his half. I doubt he skips Shanghai. It's Paris that I think he will miss as it'd be too much tennis heading into DC.

But if he's foregoing his break in December, why wouldn't he take it in the Asian swing, as GSM suggested?
 

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Because then he might not get a top two spot at year end. Roger isn't ranked #2 yet but he is ahead of Nadal in year to date points and if he plays decent this Fall he figures to end up at least #2...unless he starts skipping a lot of tournaments.
 

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yes roger could play thurs jan 8th, fri 9th, sat 10th, sun 11th, in a atp250 event (if he wanted)..

then about 9 days off till aussie open 1st rd (ask for Tuesday 1st rd). so that's a good idea.
 

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DarthFed said:
GameSetAndMath said:
However, I think in view of IPTL Roger would probably even give up trying for year end
#1 now.

I think there is 99.99999% chance that he will not add Beijing/Tokyo to his schedule
in view of this (after all it was not in his original schedule published at the beginning of
the year and maintained in his home page).

I think there is at least 60% chance that he will skip Shanghai also now. What is
the point of travelling all the way over there just for one week, especially when you
have given up on YE #1 and are going to make 9 million bucks when you travel to
India.

He would just play Basel and Bercy as prep for WTF and then play in DC followed
by the clown act in circus.

Even if getting a chance at #1 doesn't happen he of course is aware how important it would be to secure a top 2 position for as long as possible since that means he has a 50% chance of not having Nadal or Djokovic in his half. I doubt he skips Shanghai. It's Paris that I think he will miss as it'd be too much tennis heading into DC.

The same consideration (finishing at least #2) applies to not skipping Bercy also.
Roger is actually fortunate that this year there is a week gap between Bercy and WTF.
If that gap was not there, he would have to play for four weeks in a row (Basel, Bercy,
WTF and DC(f)).

I think Roger will stick to his originally published schedule playing in Shanghia, Basel,
Bercy and DC(f) [not to mention the circus and Africa match afterwards].
 

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^ Forgot that there was a week between Bercy and YEC. That might change things but even still that is a lot of tennis. I think he could skip Bercy depending on how the ranking situation is. And he might skip it regardless of the ranking situation as he will be targeting DC in a huge way.

As a fan I rather he go for #1 or finish #2 at worst but it's understandable, even admirable, if he puts Davis Cup ahead of the other events and skips Bercy or a different tournament. Putting what would be huge for his country over individual achievements...nothing not to respect about that!
 

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^ I have a feeling that if he's consistently getting deep he'll take something of his schedule