Indian Wells, BNP Paribas Open, Masters 1000

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I would more compare him to Nadal and Ferrer, in recent terms, both in clay-court chops and ability to translate, though Coria and Ferrer were much more limited, obviously.

More like Ferrero than Ferrer.

(Double checking spelling ... small edit ... yep, that’s right.)

 

[El Dude]

I wouldn't compare him to Coria, at all. When Thiem came up, I don't think anyone pegged him as a clay-courter, especially. It's just been where his game best translates. Coria is a classic clay-courter. I would more compare him to Nadal and Ferrer, in recent terms, both in clay-court chops and ability to translate, though Coria and Ferrer were much more limited, obviously. Coria was absolutely the best clay courter of the era, when Rafa came along. The yips that ended his career is complicated, and has more to do with losing the FO final to Gaudio, who also fell apart, shortly after. Players who are top of the line now tend to be more across-the-board less surface-specialists, even if the results tend to one surface. I don't see Thiem as being the obvious bridge to clay dominance, post-Rafa. Obviously, there is no Rafa, but there is also no Coria, or Kuerten. I could be wrong, but I think the players coming up who are lethal are all more "hybrids."

Thanks, and that totally makes sense - I agree with your "hybrid" assessment. I can't remember ever seeing Coria play, so was just going on their records.

Thiem may not be a classic clay-courter, but there is a huge gap between his ability on clay (top 5) and everywhere else (top 20-30).

 

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Thanks, and that totally makes sense - I agree with your "hybrid" assessment. I can't remember ever seeing Coria play, so was just going on their records.

Thiem may not be a classic clay-courter, but there is a huge gap between his ability on clay (top 5) and everywhere else (top 20-30).

You might enjoy this:

 

[Horsa]

You might say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that someday you will join us, and the world will be as one.

Just "imagine" that. Lol.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Felix has made a lot of errors and his serve has not been good, very low percent while Nishioka has played really well the whole match. Only after that 5-1 Felix has started to play better until the tiebreak when in the most crucial time he has been very erratic again so....he lost. Well deserved win by the Japanese

That loss may haunt Felix double A for few weeks.. however I hope not..his backhand lacks the Novak depth and he needs to increase the perimeter around the area to set up his sizzler of a FH..He will get better.

 

[the AntiPusher]

You might enjoy this:

Coria was a human backboard that absorbed his opponents pace.but no real weapons to hurt them..it was really more than faith that Rafa was his clay court successor.

 

[Carol]

That loss may haunt Felix double A for few weeks.. however I hope not..his backhand lacks the Novak depth and he needs to increase the perimeter around the area to set up his sizzler of a FH..He will get better.

Yesterday I saw Felix playing a whole much for the first time. The boy can have a good future but even that I like his game more than Shapo's he also likes to play too fast and that's why he makes an excellent shot and then right after the ball goes out or to the net. I think he has to learn to play with more calm, otherwise he will get the same results than the other Canadian

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Thiem looks to be playing better. I didn't watch much tennis in the early 00s, but how would folks compare him to peak Guillermo Coria? They seem to be similar in terms of results: great on clay, decent elsewhere. Wasn't Coria supposed to be the next dominant clay player after Kuerten, but Rafa came in and destroyed him, contributing to the yips that ended his career? Maybe Thiem will bookend Rafa on the other side and breakthrough this year....maybe.

I haven't seen Coria much but they are vastly different despite both excelling on clay.
Thiem is an aggressive baseliner while Coria was much more crafty old-school clay courter.
Thiem excels on clay because his topspin helps his error count and his huge wingspan cannot be rushed like on other surfaces

Yips ended Corias career btw not Nadal.

 

[Ricardo]

Coria was a human backboard that absorbed his opponents pace.but no real weapons to hurt them..it was really more than faith that Rafa was his clay court successor.

You don’t know nothing about Coria then.

 

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[Fiero425]

I wonder how this will affect Nole needing to catch up since his match was the only "rain out" yesterday? What a schedule with Rafa on, then Nole 3rd om court, and later Roger tonight! :whistle:

 

[Carol]

What Osaka says to Tsitsipas about his calendar

 

[Moxie]

Tignor concurs with me that Medvedev will take out Ralph.

Apparently, Medvedev suffers the "Tignor Curse."

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Hurkacz is creating upset after upset. Nishi gone.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Apparently, Medvedev suffers the "Tignor Curse."

Not worried. Khachanov is still there. Let us first see how ShortMan does.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Is Shapo slowly maturing or what. Solid win today.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

el shapo and 22yr old h hurkacz will meet in 4th rd.

 

[tented]

Not worried. Khachanov is still there. Let us first see how ShortMan does.

Khachanov has been doing very poorly this year, so I wouldn’t place a large bet on him, but perhaps he’ll rise to the occasion. Their USO match was one of the highlights of the tournament.

 

[El Dude]

Here's a crazy Kohlschreiber stat: he's finished every year from 2007-18 in the #20-43 range. How's that for consistency?

8 titles, all ATP 250s. He's never gone beyond a QF at a big tournament (Masters or higher), and never reached the final of an ATP 500.

 

[tented]

Kohlschreiber takes the first set, 6-4, and Novak smashes a racquet against his foot.